On this day we gather to bid farewell to Jungle Kog'Maw

Danny DeVito·Sep 20, 2016·212 votes·6,376 views

never return please and thanks.

119 Comments

Malicious MetalSep 20, 201672 votes

This is a historical day! An actual rework being reverted.

Soo... Can we have old Malzahar back?

DecritSep 20, 201641 votes

flashbacks about spells piled on each other

no plz. This mhal is better. A little, but a little better.

MonkeyMadnessSep 21, 20162 votes

His passive is BROKEN though...

MelledoneusSep 21, 20167 votes

I mean, if you poke him it takes a while to come back...

Virgin RaySep 21, 20166 votes

i mean all it takes is one click on the facebook app

MelledoneusSep 21, 20161 votes

Some people can't find the poke button.

BLACK REALM GODSep 22, 20161 votes

i think facebook got rid of or at the very least isnt really putting any more resources into the poke feature.

AhmChaSep 20, 201614 votes

FUCK YES, oh lord please, pleeeeease can we have old Malzahar back?

I love him no matter what, but old one didn't need to get run over by the nerf train and people who took the time to learn him could tilt the enemy into a parallel universe. It was glorious.

BagguetteSep 21, 20163 votes

Oh my godddd fuck old malz fr

RuınSep 21, 20162 votes

With the only condition that his ult doesn't one shot you almost.

SwooshterSep 21, 20166 votes

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With the only condition that his ult doesn't one shot you almost.

His ult never one shot you. It was a combo that killed you. Or you stayed in lane with too little health.

NineTailedMysticSep 21, 20164 votes

Still a point click suppress that forces them to buy QSS which is awful on mages if they don't want to get ult combo'd. Both play the same in lane anyways. Shove shove shove aids.

MeritasSep 21, 20163 votes

So we shouldn't have champions forcing us to buy items suboptimal to a "perfect" build?

Jet SettSep 21, 20163 votes

I believe he means we shouldn't have kits that force you to build something you almost gain nothing from, save for a necessary active.

For example: If an ADC has to build Zhonya's to do their job (and they aren't messing it up, they have good positioning and grouping/peel) there is something wrong, players who can do their jobs well shouldn't be punished for it, like old Veigar ult being a counter to players with AP that were doing well.

This statement doesn't mean I agree that you HAD to build QSS against old Malz, I just wanted to answer your (probably rhetorical) question.

NineTailedMysticSep 22, 20161 votes

You didn't have to buy QSS against Malz, but you couldn't all in him without it or a jungler. Good elaboration though

TheNwMasterboschSep 21, 20163 votes

The new malz is amazing mate if used properly you can completely obliterate your opponent

GayFluffyUnicornSep 21, 20165 votes

Yeah the new malz is even more oppressive and impossible to deal with alone if you don't outrange him hard.

IceKingChernobogSep 21, 201613 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dETAvdZZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-20T22:14:12.115+0000)

This is a historical day! An actual rework being reverted.

Soo... Can we have old Malzahar back?

Im wondering if graves can reverted to his old self too

Spinning AxesSep 21, 20162 votes

I miss the attack animation on mafia Graves.... shit was soooo smooth.

chubs1224Sep 21, 20165 votes

I miss ad malzahar jungle. new one is not as satisfying

CithriaCSep 22, 20161 votes

Yea, I was just starting to get past OK with it. :'(

EROTIC RAID BOSSSep 21, 20164 votes

Gosh DarnSep 21, 20163 votes

I mained Malzahar, new Malzahar is ass. I disenchanted my favorite skin (overlord) because I know I will never play him again. Now that his passive just whiffs one ability in most cases and his damage was destroyed, he's just pathetic. All your enemy has to do is kill the first voidling and your damage just stops.

SnowplosionSep 21, 20162 votes

You asked for old Malz, not old Morde... OK.

AFK PushSep 21, 20168 votes

Morde will still have the same problems if they reverted this rework. He just needs a full relaunch.

kile147Sep 21, 20161 votes

I mean, the only thing the update did to Malz was slightly reduce his reliance on ult, but instead he has an annoying passive. I mean yeah he's technically less toxic but now he's less toxic and even more irritating.

AFK PushSep 21, 20161 votes

Well Malz never really needed help. He was the darius of midlane crapping on nearly every other mid, except he scaled very well. I do agree that he is definitely more annoying, but at least it was unbelievably easy to camp him as a jungler before he got the new passive (it still is, but not as easy)

TheCharmingCharmSep 22, 20161 votes

For me the only problem i had with the old malz was his fucking ult. Lasted 10 years and did a shit ton of damage.

And tbh its kinda the same now except it doesn't do as much damage and i guess it doesn't last AS long as it did before, but it's still pretty aids when you have his 50 cancerous crabs on you whilst he's ulting.

Shadow HazardSep 21, 20166 votes

Holy smokes Metal. I love you for making a voice for old malz. People who complain about the ult one shot, just making it so his old ult does less damage but amplifies his other damage similar to fizz ult. You will still have to combo to land a proper kill like what they wanted for current malz. For the rest of his kit if they want to make his voidlings more important that needing the 4 spell combo to summon, instead they can summon every spell cast but deal less damage each (can use the same frenzy mechanic as old malz or current malz with this, would prefer if they gained their increased tank stats for being frenzied), and each spell can deal slightly less damage to compensate for the persistent voidlings.

Imperial JapanSep 21, 20162 votes

Maybe Shen?

MiraweaveSep 22, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=dETAvdZZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-09-20T22:14:12.115+0000)

This is a historical day! An actual rework being reverted.

Soo... Can we have old Malzahar back?

Old Malz was horribly designed. New malz is bullshit too, but not nearly to the degree that old malz was.

Completely noninteractive laning combined with the ability to kill you from full health with absolutely no counterplay if you ever got near him. Easily in the top 5 least fun things to play against in league.

Gosh DarnSep 23, 20161 votes

That aspect of Malzahar hasn't really changed, only now the damage comes from his voidlings rather than his ultimate, so you have more kill pressure with your ult down and you have your passive to completely fuck over several champions that rely on an ability for engage such as Fizz.

KoKobotoSep 21, 20168 votes

Glad Kog'Maw is getting looked at again but why couldn't they revert his ultimate too :T

ZettoSep 21, 201610 votes

Because AP kog deserves to rot in a gutter.

SnowplosionSep 21, 20164 votes

Makes his ADC better. Does suck that AP Kog is gone...

Supreme Senpai69Sep 21, 20162 votes

Probably so Corki remains the only "AP damage as an ADC" champion. They wanna define certain niches better I think

HyperiönSep 21, 20161 votes

Varus has some AP dmg to his kit, just not as much as Corki.

Supreme Senpai69Sep 21, 20162 votes

But you'd never go AP Varus, whereas some people would totally go AP Kogmaw. Varus has his niche as the poke ADC

Pierce The VealSep 21, 20167 votes

Holy shit!

A rework

Is being REVERTED!

Now can we also revert the change to his ult? His ult is basically useless as it is and it also utterly trashed AP kog as a whole. Pls rito.

BlåbæretSep 22, 20162 votes

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Holy shit!

A rework

Is being REVERTED!

Now can we also revert the change to his ult? His ult is basically useless as it is and it also utterly trashed AP kog as a whole. Pls rito.

You do realize his ult was changed in order to kill off his AP build, right? So ya, it aint ever coming back thankfully.

Maximum MordeSep 21, 20166 votes

And nothing of value was lost.