Can we have new AP armor item that ISN'T power gated by an active?

SwiftKitten88··4 votes·446 views

item 3157 used to have 120 AP it used to cost 3300 gold it gave 50 armor and the cooldown on the active was 90 seconds

now it gives 70 ap 45 armor 10% cdr and the cooldown is 120 seconds

now this was done because its ACTIVE was deemed too powerful to be on an item with 120 ap "it's too gold efficient" yada yada, blah blah blah Ok.. fine..

keep the current item 3157

but at least give SOMETHING with AP and armor we can use.

if you want to gateitem 3157 because of the "crazy strong active" FINE.

but give us ANOTHER option to use without some "godlike" active so can actually have an option OTHER than item 3157

AD have item 3156 item 3139 and the newitem 3814 all of which give damage, utility, and MR, to use vs AP. Now most AD champ vs AP wont pick all of them, but at least they have options.

you stuck EVERYTHING to use vs AD on ONE item

if we want the active vs an AP team becuase its good for our champ, we need to buy item 3157 if all we want are defensive stats with some AP and we wont really use the active much, we are still PAYING for it because its the ONLY option.

give us another AP vs AD item that we can use, without it being power-gated by an active.

12 Comments

Erockandroll4 votes

face palm

Boards will complain about ball of stats champions, yet ask for ball of stats items.

secondly, Why do we even need the hybridization? Is it that you seriously can't bother with Building one good defensive item?

Thirdly, Do you want AP Bruisers? Cause that's how you get AP Bruisers. (I would imagine Vlad would love an item with 100 AP, good Armor, especially against an AD heavy team.)

Maximum Morde1 votes

We already have AP bruisers. That's not a bad thing either.

Big Lincoln1 votes

Vlad's actually pretty good with Zhonya's

i wouldn't be 2 upset about an AP/armor item provided the AP was low-ish, like 60 or something. main reason for buying it should be the armor and a little AP to keep up, imo

Rákãñ1 votes

Sejuani And plenty others are practically AP bruisers. Giving items that these guys can use effective won't be as bad. But there might be some supports that could abuse it though. Like Leona or even Blitzcrank .

Erockandroll1 votes

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Sejuani And plenty others are practically AP bruisers. Giving items that these guys can use effective won't be as bad. But there might be some supports that could abuse it though. Like Leona or even Blitzcrank .

Realistically speaking, any major AP item should be out of the budget for a support.

My main concern was, Boards already seem to have a problem with Fighters. With the complaint that The may at most build one damage item (usually an TF or a BC) Build tank items from then on, and end up killing the enemy glass cannons because that combination of offensive and defensive stats give them a lot of dueling power.

We have some AP Bruisers Like Gragas. But if we give those same champs more hybrid options, I would predict that they would start looking a lot more like Juggernauts.

Ralanr2 votes

Yes. I'd love Nautilus to have an AP armor item. That way I'm not losing AP after selling Doran's and can still have stupidly powerful waveclear.

Neko Caitlyn1 votes

Too bad because Riot favors AD bruisers and assassins

WoonStruck1 votes

And ADCs. Let's not forget about the most broken users of AD items.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

You're not forced to buy only Zhonya's against a strong AD threat. You can buy Rod of Ages or Rylai's as well. Health is a strong defensive stat too, and neither RoA nor Rylai's are gated by an active.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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You're not forced to buy only Zhonya's against a strong AD threat. You can buy Rod of Ages or Rylai's as well. Health is a strong defensive stat too, and neither RoA nor Rylai's are gated by an active.

item 3116 is about to get gutted

anditem 3027 is gated by the fact that needs to stack

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

What if it was something like item 3156 but gave ap with armor? Granted there is no spell vamp (except Morgana passive.)

Z Statistic1 votes

Ok

Hellish Amulet of the Watchers

Needlessly Large Rod + Seeker's Armguard + 650 gold

+95 AP +45 armor

Unique Passive - Frost Shield: Reduces all instances of physical damage (before mitigation) by a % of your AP. Reduced effectiveness versus damage over time effects. Frost Shield is deactivated while Shatter is on cooldown. Unique Passive - Shatter: Dealing more than X magic damage to a single target within 5 seconds increases your AP by a % of your bonus armor for 5 seconds. 180 second cooldown.

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