@RIOT thoughts on Fizz's W?

Marshbouy·Jun 8, 2016·1 votes·820 views

It's a serious case of hidden power. His E already got nerfed (that it needed) so i am wondering if there are changes to his W that you guys are looking at to make it more clear how much damage you will take.

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SonaTitsAndAssJun 8, 20162 votes

if we are talking about hidden power lets disgust the worst champions for that. Heimerdinger Illaoi Irelia Pantheon Poppy Shyvana Zyra

and of course the king of hidden power Trundle and i love hidden power champions but you can piss people right the fuck off with them. being 4 v 1 by the enemy illaoi thats 0/5 because you walk into 4 passives + 5 man ult with e? thats awesome.

MarshbouyJun 8, 20161 votes

I have no idea how any of those champions have hidden power except maybe pantheon. You can't 1v5 against a competent team as illaoi, at least not anymore

SonaTitsAndAssJun 8, 20162 votes

hidden power means inconsistency in power without any warning. with heimer this is shown in his turrents and hes "i land a stun i can one shot you now" combo illaoi hidden power comes the damage from all her spells being inconsistant like her q damage. hits you = 100 damage. hits the e? 15? 50? 70? and w is also true since im some bases its 0 things that hit you and sometimes it can be up to 9. irelia has hidden power in her passive and her e. for pretty obvious reasons and is partly why she is getting a rework. phanton has hidden power due to his below 15% always crit thing. poppy has hidden power due to her passive with no indicator however this one is very minor but it is worth noting. shyvanas damage comes from loads of different on hit sauces... most new players think shyvanas main damage source is ad which is kind of true atm dealing 50% ad damage 40% ap and 10% true but with sated it was 30% ad 60% ap and 10% true damage. zyra has inconsistency due to her plants. and trundle basicly everything on him is hidden power. his passive is an in consistent heal. his q is hidden power by giving him ad + taking yours away his w helps his passive his e is the only thing without hidden power (expect you know pinning someone against a wall i guess) and then the is his ult which i dont need to explain.

MarshbouyJun 8, 20161 votes

1 dont fight him in his turrets=not hidden power

2 what are you saying excactly?

3 Her E does not have hidden power. If you are lower health than her, expect a slow. If you have more health, expect a stun. She is getting reworked because she is too overloaded. true damage, health sustain, AOE damage, stun, slow, mobility, CC reduction. She is too overloaded and is getting reworked because of that.

4 Pantheon and zed both have hidden low health power but more so for pantheon.

5 Having mixed damage is not hidden power.

6 Inconsistency=/=hidden power. you can destroy the plants and play around them they are not hidden power. If you see plants, destroy them or get away from them.

7 What? There are plenty of champions with passive heals Maokai for example. HIs Q is just a dueling buff that is easy to predict which means it is not hidden power His w is a dueling buff that you can actively play around. And the buff to his passive is sorta hidden power, I guess? except you can still bait him out of his zone HIs E not hidden power. If thats hidden power than so is Anivia i guess you could call his ult hidden power but its another dueling buff you can plan for.

The difference is that fizz's W does damage based on how much health you are missing and it lacks in visuals warning you that he has his W active. The equation for damage is all over the place on top of the lack of visuals

SonaTitsAndAssJun 8, 20162 votes

by your logic fizz w isnt hidden power because his stabby stick (dont have a fucking clue what its name is) turns a different colour or gets some particles added. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDgRfNd3CRY&t=0m30s that is not the reason its classed as hidden power the reason its classed as hidden power is because its a percentage damage dot meaning as the dot ticks away it gets strong and stronger making it inconsistent. hidden power does not have anything to do with the actual animations lol. thats like saying power creep is buffing a champion that crawls like reksai or skarner lol

MarshbouyJun 8, 20161 votes

I'm not sure why you are focusing so hard on the lack of visuals. I still said that his W percent missing health is weird. Also good job ignoring everything else i said.

Fisherman FízzJun 8, 20161 votes

His W also got a nerf but I'm sure thats not what you wanna know, it's not really possible to say how much damage you will take from the W passive since it depends on your missing health. Pretty much like Garen's ultimate that also does damage on missing health, you can't really tell how much damage it will do because it has variables you can't really say for sure it will do X damage. Dunno if was this you asked but anyway might aswell answer something.

MarshbouyJun 8, 20161 votes

I guess I meant it needs some sort of rework to be less weird. the issues with a percent missing health DOT is that the damage increases over time.