Despite what people think, junglers are more influential now than they've ever been

HateDaddy··4 votes·607 views

In high Elo, top laners don't even interact half the time. It's simply play back and wait for your jungler to gank. Any sign of lane aggression is a tip that the jungler may be there. Bot lane is basically decided by TPs or the jungler and mid lane is often just an afk farm zone and roaming center.

But the point is, junglers dominate every game. Believe it or not, the team with the better jungler almost always wins at consistent levels of play. It's because you can't reliably keep vision of a lane unless snowballing. Trinkets are down about 30-40% of the time and pink wards are easy to clear. The importance of all rift Harold and dragon also mean it's imperative a jungler is pressuring otherwise they lose control of lanes and that translates into losing control of objectives.

I feel like we need to have better vision options. I understand why green wards were removed. But even with all the wards, junglers can still gank lanes through them. But the fact is, you have very little options because it's either constantly spend 75g and drop pinks everywhere only to have them destroyed upon detection or use one of your crucial trinket charges in other areas of the map and lose lane/vision control.

It's just lame waiting for a jungler to help you in lane and as a result, very little interaction takes place and games often feel like they're beyond your control. This is especially true for top lane.

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InhaleMyGayWhale1 votes

I mostly main jungle, and knowing that my impact can decide the game can make me really nervous sometimes. If a lane starts crying for no ganks, i usually try to instantly gank there. But if our laners lose solo, then there isn't much we can do either. Expecially not if said lane has a snowbally enemy who kills me too when i try to gank

HateDaddy1 votes

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I mostly main jungle, and knowing that my impact can decide the game can make me really nervous sometimes. If a lane starts crying for no ganks, i usually try to instantly gank there. But if our laners lose solo, then there isn't much we can do either. Expecially not if said lane has a snowbally enemy who kills me too when i try to gank

Truthfully there's never a right answer but mid/bot are almost always too hard to gank. Top is so easy to gank/dive and typically the only things you have to worry about are knowing where wards are and whether or not you could win a potential 2v2 vs their jungler/top lane

DrugsForRobots1 votes

You could tell me what you think about these hypothetical vision options. Also, I agree, Riot could take another look at the trinkets.

I like how you mention 'better' vision options, as opposed to 'more' vision options. Too much information would make the game stale, but maybe different forms of sight and detection, and more emphasis on the vision game in general would be a good thing.

HateDaddy1 votes

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You could tell me what you think about these hypothetical vision options. Also, I agree, Riot could take another look at the trinkets.

I like how you mention 'better' vision options, as opposed to 'more' vision options. Too much information would make the game stale, but maybe different forms of sight and detection, and more emphasis on the vision game in general would be a good thing.

Yeah, I don't want to go back to the map being lit up like a Christmas tree constantly. I just want some sort of upgrade option for an additional charge or something at some point. It's literally impossible to deal with being camped in top lane. Bot lane is often too hard to gank by junglers by themselves. Mid lane is often cleared so diving is usually only an option or early ganks. This makes top lane extremely vulnerable and you almost never can fend off ganks reliably. That's why people just play really safe now and the jungler often determines who wins that lane and it's really frustrating as a solo laner, for a jungler too I'd imagine.

Lmao Get Mooned1 votes

I'm a jungle main, and there are other roles that are far more influential than me. I play mid some games and find it far easier to carry the game due to the champion pool of mid laners that i play and lane against.

HateDaddy2 votes

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I'm a jungle main, and there are other roles that are far more influential than me. I play mid some games and find it far easier to carry the game due to the champion pool of mid laners that i play and lane against.

You're confusing carrying with being influential. Yes, heavy pressure and snowballing is a form of carrying for junglers but most junglers won't carry a game mid/late game. They just happen to be the most influential position for the first 15 minutes and will often decide the outcome of the game. I just don't know whether that's a good thing or not, I'd lean towards not.

Best Ekko NA1 votes

It's not just top lane, it's like every single lane. In my opinion bottom lane has it the worst of every lane right now. I don't main bot lane but watching streamers bot lane just comes down to a huge farm fest where the first sign of aggression has 4 teleports and 2 junglers behind it making one massive 5v5 party in the bot lane....

Game is in one hell of a state right now LOL.

HateDaddy1 votes

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It's not just top lane, it's like every single lane. In my opinion bottom lane has it the worst of every lane right now. I don't main bot lane but watching streamers bot lane just comes down to a huge farm fest where the first sign of aggression has 4 teleports and 2 junglers behind it making one massive 5v5 party in the bot lane....

Game is in one hell of a state right now LOL.

Bottom sucks because of teleports and mid roams so you go from 2v2 to 5v5 clown fiestas instantly. And I agree that absolutely sucks more but that's not just jungle influenced, that's a problem with TP mostly and it probably needing to not have a global range.

Top is just so easy to gank and rift harold is still broken as shit on solo laners, so often times junglers will just camp top and push down to your inhib if they can. And if they can't, they'll use that open space to roam mid and dive mid. Other than that, try to gank bot when you can or wait for tp ganks to jump into clown fiestas in bot.

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