Yes, nerf adcs because support itemization is warping the game.
Nerf adcs because tanks and CC are shoving bruisers and assassins out of the meta.
Nerf adcs and it'll make items like ardent locket knights vow suddenly balanced, it will also balance maokai, sej, taric, etc, it will also remove the catchup exp from the jungle!
LUL LUL LUL
Critmaster Garen2 votesits not supports or tanks warping the game.
supports and tank utility benefit everyone. yet no other type of carry is as op as marksmen with the extra protection.
whats really happening here is that marksmen have been massively overtuned for a long time and only been held in check by the fact that they got focused down before they were able to do anything in games.
now that they cant be focused down fast anymore, their broken shows.
Mizaya1 votes
are pretty much exclusively made to benefit ADCs.
"Benefit everyone" is what we want. But it's not what's happening. Knight's Vow is built almost every time by the jungler in competitive games. Stoneborn pact is a mastery that massively benefits ADCs.
Combine that with a meta of 2-3 tanks per team and front to back teamfighting. ADCs don't die to the enemy frontline now, because of all the damage reduction and lifesteaing. And they are what deals with all the tanks best.
Anags2 votesActually they deal with everything the best when protected. That is the problem.
If they have protection. It doesn't matter who they are attacking. They kill everyone.
HeresyHorus2 votesits not supports or tanks warping the game.
Finally someone understands it, i have been saying this from what looks like an eternity now.
The main culprit is Crit scaling with attack speed, separate them and all support champs and items will be OK.
Make ADCs do DpS and not BpS.
Critmaster Garen2 votesif support itemization is the problem, then why arent ap carries and melee carries as strong as marksmen?
Rexxiee1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lie5munR,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-08-23T18:59:36.974+0000)
if support itemization is the problem, then why arent ap carries and melee carries as strong as marksmen?
Because tanks shove everything else out of the meta.
The only damage class that can deal with multiple tanks + cc are adcs because they are ranged and have high dps (and they are the natural tank counter).
Champs like riven/yasuo/trynd arent good right now because of CC spam + tanks + broken support items, not because of adcs.
Critmaster Garen1 votesBecause tanks shove everything else out of the meta.
The only damage class that can deal with multiple tanks + cc are adcs because they are ranged and have high dps (and they are the natural tank counter).
at the very least we should see sustained damage dealing mages be just as opressive as adc. but we arent.
because tanks and supports arent the problem. its marksmen. always were.
Rexxiee1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lie5munR,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-08-23T19:01:20.091+0000)
at the very least we should see sustained damage dealing mages be just as opressive as adc. but we arent.
because tanks and supports arent the problem. its marksmen. always were.
they eliminated that weakness with that.
Plus champs like ryze got nerfed multiple times, and cass sees play all the time in competitive shes one of the top mids.
Critmaster Garen1 votes
all the marksmen are stacking crit right now. i dont see randuins holding them back. neither should adaptive helmet hold ap carries back if it was just support and tank items.
especially since no one buys the fucking helmet over spirit visage even when there is sustained magic damage on the enemy team.
Ahristocats1 votesin top 7 pick of mid in lcs, 5 are mages, one is tank, one is an adc (lucian)
good try
Rexxiee1 votes[{quoted}](name=i am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lie5munR,comment-id=00050000000000000001,timestamp=2017-08-23T19:04:21.861+0000)
in top 7 pick of mid in lcs, 5 are mages, one is tank, one is an adc (lucian)
good try
I never said mages are bad, im not those silver mage mains who somehow think their role is bad atm.
But their focus really isnt being the damage class anymore (other than cass), its more about utility and CC or roaming.
archerno11 votesAny problems with ADCs can be fixed by buffing Rengar, Talon, Zed, Akali, Diana, Jax, Fiora, Khazix, Shaco and Teemo
Dasdi961 votesNo, it is the adc class that has been overpowered since the tank update. Their items are too cheap for how much they provide to the point where the start outscaling other classes by 2 item midgame. They get so much benefit out of supports than other classes. There is no incentive for an enchanter to buff anyone but the adc.
Mizaya1 votesAnd who else is going to use that AS and on-hit heal from censer? And which is often paired with more on-hit or AD from the support themselves, ie Janna shield, Lulu W.
Ahristocats1 votesboth should be nerfed
support itemization should be gutted without any questions
trist kog twitch being top tier is not the support itemization fault, they're just too strong compared to the others
Mizaya1 votesWhy is hardly anyone talking about jungle gold income / how XP works? Junglers aren't getting enough gold to be playing carry champions, so they go with low budget CC and support items.
Also, it's just bad design that one champion can build an item whose value can consistently be transferred to another champion when you have a spammable shield/heal. It's not fun, it's not interesting.
So we end up having people who don't realize all the gold value being given to the ADC, and just say "nerf ADCs AND their items!" What? Why should ADCs have their power shifted to the items of other classes? Yes, probably nerf 
because it's not even a situational item anymore, it's just better than everything else, but let's try to be reasonable here.
Rexxiee1 votesWhy is hardly anyone talking about jungle gold income / how XP works? Junglers aren't getting enough gold to be playing carry champions, so they go with low budget CC and support items.
Also, it's just bad design that one champion can build an item whose value can consistently be transferred to another champion when you have a spammable shield/heal. It's not fun, it's not interesting.
So we end up having people who don't realize all the gold value being given to the ADC, and just say "nerf ADCs AND their items!" What? Why should ADCs have their power shifted to the items of other classes?
To add, with the catchup exp they cant really fall behind in levels, so you can just pick a tank, spam ganks and build support items for your adc and thats actually the best way to play the role.
When adcs have 2~3 ppl buying items for them that are clearly overtuned adcs can roll games, i wonder why!
