Hey look, we're nerfing AD assassin damage by 100 (on…

Onotori · 2018-03-09T20:55:15.257Z

... better hard buff every braindead clicker in the game. "We don't like it when a champ just up and 100-0s you with no counterplay, leaving you going 'wtf!' instead of feeling outplayed" (The assassin rework) ... and yet, when every assassin currently does just that, we buff them. Makes sense, right? Zed can just ult, E and AA and do more than enough damage to kill most mids or any squishies. Kha doesn't even need Duskblade to two shot people, but we're going to pretend it's all his damage. Kayn can literally two shot with just W+Q, no Duskblade auto needed. Nocturne has been one shotting people for *YEARS, but Duskblade is now his only means of existing, right? Talon has also been instakilling people for years, but suddenly he's just so dependent on Duskblade. Wu has always either one shot you or done nothing. So it makes sense to buff him too. And that's just AD assassins. If we look at AP assassins, they are uniformly targeted one shots, but that's fine apparently. Meanwhile we're going to gut Zoe, gut Ornn, and gut anyone else who can compete with the golden children. The game needs less damage, not more. I get that you don't care since you want LCS to be more "interesting," but could you at least *pretend you care about the rest of the game? Just put LCS on a different ruleset or something so we don't have to suffer.

SwiftKitten88Mar 9, 20185 votes

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We believe the champions being buffed are dependent on Duskblade to perform on 8.5. Come 8.6, with a much weaker Duskblade, it seems reasonable to expect that they'll be weaker. Our goal is to make these characters not rely so heavily on the existence of a very aggressively tuned Duskblade proc to perform, not to nerf the characters that currently rely on it.

i greatly appreciate the feedback, but these champs were perfectly fine BEFORE item 3147 . they dont need "compensation"

what they NEED is for their targets (read as ADC's) to not one shot them faster than they can kill them without the use of item 3147

were are stuck in a power-creep cycle.. mostly caused byr old keystones.. new runes and broken AD and ADC items. this is the REASON why items like item 3193 had to be made in the first place. the issue of damage creep needs to be addressed. not just is symptoms.

you can see that games are MUCH shorted than they used to be.. but its not just that they are flat out DECIDED many times by 10 min, sometimes even pre-10.

this is also another reason why lcs games last LONGER. because people die so fast and damage is so high people cant trade anymore... its a person dies at 30 min that can be the game. people are too scared to go in.

SlythionMar 9, 20182 votes

they have plans for adc in the midseason and if assassins end up being overtuned after that, I'm sure they'll be adjusted accordingly. This is, however, a net-positive change in the current iteration of league.

SwiftKitten88Mar 9, 20182 votes

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they have plans for adc in the midseason and if assassins end up being overtuned after that, I'm sure they'll be adjusted accordingly. This is, however, a net-positive change in the current iteration of league.

yeah but if the just started with the biggest issue of ADC then they could finally address assains and support sheidling/ healing at the same time

and i agree it certainly is a net positive gain. but i really dislike the fact that are buffing the blackout passive. they have already gutted our ability to ward. now they are making removing our vision easier. this CAN NOT be done unless damage creep is addressed.

dunder killMar 9, 20184 votes

Do you have to be salty on every single Duskblade post? No matter how much you bitch about him (which is a FUCK TON), Zed isn't OP and mages are actually really strong right now. What do you expect to happen when you hard nerf a bunch of mediocre champions' core itemization? Or did you not expect us to see through your thinly veiled crusade against AD mids? Why be fair and objectively look at the big picture when you can just throw some buzzwords around because you don't like Zed? In reality, these are neutral changes that shift power away from Duskblade and disperse it into it's users' kits.

But why be fair when you can just call out buzzwords like powercreep even though they obviously don't apply?

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20183 votes

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Do you have to be salty on every single Duskblade post? No matter how much you bitch about him (which is a FUCK TON), Zed isn't OP and mages are actually really strong right now. What do you expect to happen when you hard nerf a bunch of mediocre champions' core itemization? Or did you not expect us to see through your thinly veiled crusade against AD mids? Why be fair and objectively look at the big picture when you can just throw some buzzwords around because you don't like Zed? In reality, these are neutral changes that shift power away from Duskblade and disperse it into it's users' kits.

But why be fair when you can just call out buzzwords like powercreep even though they obviously don't apply?

lol, your right i dont like zed.. but that has nothing to do with this post. i don't bring biased against a champion into an argument of balance.

power creep donest apply? powercrep is the single coause of every issue in the game.

why ddid assains need to HAVE item 3147 ? becuase adc would burst the assassins down faster than assains could kill them

why did we need stupid op shields? becuases assains got item 3147 to deal with ADC. why do ADC deal burst per second instead of sustained damage? becuase thier items are too cheap and on top of all of that "runes" make damage absurd...

i have no issues with "zed" i am hihgly annoyed that item 2420 is 10 min now.. i agree 6 was WAY too soon but 10 is absurdly long.. most game even as SUPPORT i not only hit 6 but FINISH item 3157 before i have an opprotunity to use .

i think changing it to 8 min would have been much better.

also. i dont find zed to ba an issue at all at the moment.. i just dont thin ANY champ should be compensated for losing item 3147 .

infact i think it needs tyo be flat out DELETED as it is WORSE than deathfire grasp was, becuase of the blackout passive which is absurdly broken. even more since since they are buffing it AND they are gutting the ability to ward at the same time.

zed wouldnt even been on the LIST of the most op champs in my mind..

and he would be pretty far down the list of "toxic champs"

i am NOT biased toward zed. he is fine. i dont think he deserves compensation becuase compensation is the wron way to go about it... the correct way would be to nerf the adc's so that he could do his job better.. i ALSO main an assassin u know...

5050BSMar 10, 20182 votes

"i have no issues with "zed" i am hihgly annoyed that item 2419 is 10 min now"

Zed, Fizz, Talon all can Ult 3 times before stopwatch is usable.

If any of them get one kill the lane is snowballed..

SwiftKitten88Mar 10, 20181 votes

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"i have no issues with "zed" i am highly annoyed that is 10 min now"

Zed, Fizz, Talon all can Ult 3 times before stopwatch is usable.

If any of them get one kill the lane is snowballed..

because i play morgana support and nearly half the time upgrade it into item 3157 before i get a chance to use the damn thing.

by 10 min the first tower is usually already gone. and after losing effectively all her lane sustain because riot removing healing off minions, its much harder to use your ulti in lane without item 2420

hell sometimes its hard enough to even survive the .5 second you need to before u can even press item 3157 because your ulti has a 3 second timer and is 2.5 (meaning you need to stay alive a half second while in ulti range before u can press it.

Who Fed RuMar 10, 20182 votes

But why should Assassins be the first class that has to suffer until Riot finally decides to balance power creep? If they just gut duskblade without compensation AD Assassins would end up in a state of being completely useless until they nerf the other classes.

If any class should be nerfed first then that's ADCs, by making their items more expensive again. After that supports, assassins and tanks. Especially all that shield and damage reduction cancer has to go, because that's the reason why damage has to be so high in the first place.

OnotoriMar 9, 20182 votes

Okay, but those champs have needed nerfs for a long, long time now. Long before Duskblade was even an item (though Kayn was around when Duskblade was a thing, he still needs nerfs, not buffs).

And you act like 100 damage is going to be so much of a difference... thing is, 2500-3000 damage minus 100 is still goinna one shot any squishy or non-tank.

GinoSoldierMar 9, 20183 votes

Echoing here, i really do feel like Assassins simply don't need the damage granted by the Duskblade proc to perform already. They were close to fine before it (not going to deny at some point AD assassins were all but unplayed), and they didn't receive compensation nerfs when the item was released.

The damage creep of the game does need to be reined in, and assassins should require their entire kits, or close enough to it, to drop an opponent from 100 to 0 unless they have an extreme lead. Instead we see AD assassins killing people with often no, or next to no windows of counterplay with only half their kits after a single item.

A suggestion, if i may; Assassins are intended to deal take out either unprotected or weakened targets, but not a single assassin in the game has a bonus to hard-cc'd enemies, aka 'weakened'. I would much rather see improve their team-play potential through this kind of pattern than simply raise their damage freely up to the point where they can simply shred any non-tank to 0 after a few kills. To make Duskblade still viable and promote counterplay, why not let it trigger only on hard-cc'd enemies? Perhaps raise it's damage if need be in this case.

Devilreaper XIIIMar 9, 20181 votes

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We believe the champions being buffed are dependent on Duskblade to perform on 8.5. Come 8.6, with a much weaker Duskblade, it seems reasonable to expect that they'll be weaker. Our goal is to make these characters not rely so heavily on the existence of a very aggressively tuned Duskblade proc to perform, not to nerf the characters that currently rely on it.

load of nonsense right there.... remove duskblade and assassins are still viable, they have been oneshotting even before duskblade, duskblade just amplifies the broken assassins....

the nerf is also nonsense, remove the extra 300 ad they get and the item is somewhat fine, secondly the ''true vision'' is too much as well, should be removed imo, they should go oracle.

and while you are at it please consider changing assassins from obnoxious 100-0 in 0,000000001 second to dps trappers, where they use all kinds of ASSASSIN tools like poison,brittle,bleed,armor/mr reduction etc so they have to weaken their target before finishing them.

Hey look, we're nerfing AD assassin damage by 100 (on Duskblade)!

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