So how long will it be before y'all turn on Morde?

HateDaddy·Mar 5, 2017·7 votes·932 views

Excluding the know Morde mains here considering all 3 of them have been vocal about his balance since his rework. That doesn't include the rest of you who jerk Morde non stop demanding he be buffed. So now that he's in every game and you realize playing against him and his utterly obnoxious and poorly designed kit isn't fun, how long will it take for you all to turn on him and demand nerfs? I'm gonna go with about a month.

Also, Riot, when you do gut Mordekaiser for existing (again), can you actually make him a real champion who isn't a walking ball of overturned stats with cheap gimmicks to compensate for his lack of range and mobility? You should've done that HP tank idea a few years ago, instead you did that 3 hit thing bam death combo you love so much and turned Mordekaiser into ThisChampionIsFuckingStupidKaiser.

Bathe me in your downvote juices

33 Comments

ForgiveColourMar 5, 20175 votes

Morde is fucking cancer to play against. Its funny how those 3 people youre talking gets upvote from upvote farming when the circlejerk themselves probably never played against morde at all

AhristocatsMar 5, 20173 votes

it's not funny

if you could get banned and never comming back from board i would be extremely relieved from the lack of sight on your posts that are all "X is cancer but i'm not going to add any other arguments"

ForgiveColourMar 5, 20174 votes

Id like to see you defned you cancer mains hmmmmmmmm

Xddd range top rangers tho

Stars ShaperMar 5, 20173 votes

Because said ppl saw this coming long ago, and especially one (of which I share the view 90% on the matter) noticed how Morde would still be a incredible nuisance to balance even after the rework and how all his power was bound to an unfair mechanic (the exp bonus passive from W) and that he would still be feast or famine.

He (and others) then proceeded to play him in the unfavored role until Riot removed that mechanic and now you all have seen what a lategame Mordekaiser does: Dominates.

This is the difference between those mains and ppl like you. You just throw in the word "cancer" as it's dirty toilet paper while they gave weeks (if not months) of valid feedback and never fell against the deaf years of Riot (who in the end had to admit they will have to re-rework him).

MordepoolMar 5, 20171 votes

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Because said ppl saw this coming long ago, and especially ones (of which I share the view 90% on the matter) noticed how Morde would still be a incredible nuisance to balance even after the rework and how all his power was bound to an unfair mechanic (the exp bonus passive from W) and that he would still be feast or famine.

He (and others) then proceeded to play him in the unfavored role until Riot removed that mechanic and now you all have seen what a lategame Mordekaiser does: Dominates.

This is the difference between those mains and ppl like you. You just throw in the word "cancer" as it's dirty toilet paper while they gave weeks (if not months) of valid feedback and never fell against the deaf years of Riot (who in the end had to admit they will have to re-rework him).

Glad to see you on the boards. Sharing facts and viewpoints worth Spreading

RexSaurMar 5, 20174 votes

Ive already said it, morde is still awful to play against, the rework made him even more obnoxious than he was before.

The moment he gets ahead/gets a dragon you can literally do nothing about it, just watch him shove/sustain/shield all at once and if you get close you get 2 shotted by his Q.

HateDaddyMar 5, 20173 votes

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Ive already said it, morde is still awful to play against.

The moment he gets ahead/gets a dragon you can literally do nothing about it, just watch him shove/sustain/shield all at once and if you get close you get 2 shotted by his Q.

Try playing melees vs him top. Literally the only thing you can do is hope you picked Darius or beg for ganks.

AhristocatsMar 5, 20171 votes

all in him+forces him to press W then disengage then engage again and morde can do nothing about that with 325 base ms

or: stop playing the game

HateDaddyMar 5, 20174 votes

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all in him+forces him to press W then disengage then engage again and morde can do nothing about that with 325 base ms

or: stop playing the game

You're right, every champion in the game is capable of going all-in on him. This is a pretty absurd statement tbh, there is far more to laning than this.

AhristocatsMar 5, 20171 votes

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there is far more to laning than this.

Go on i'm waiting

{quoted} You're right, every champion in the game is capable of going all-in on him.

then don't ever complain about morde, because that is what ha does he is strong against people who can't all in with burst damage AKA tanks

and there is nothing wrong with that

HateDaddyMar 5, 20172 votes

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Go on i'm waiting

He can shove harder than almost anyone top laner? Yeah go ahead and walk into a minion wave and all-in him early when his W heals him and his shield charges. Are there champions who can all-in him early? Sure, Olaf and Jax come to mind. But these are a few champions. He has options. It's not as simple as "hur dur all in him." People position correctly in lane to avoid this. You should know better than this, quite frankly it's disappointing that you fail to point this out. That said...

then don't ever complain about morde, because that is what ha does he is strong against people who can't all in with burst damage AKA tanks

and there is nothing wrong with that

I'm not even complaining as if he's overpowered. He's just very obnoxious if you aren't someone who can shit on him early and often and that applies to a large pool of melee champions.

He's likely not overpowered, just a terrible design that riot botched from the get-go.

AhristocatsMar 5, 20171 votes

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He can shove harder than almost anyone top laner? Yeah go ahead and walk into a minion wave and all-in him early when his W heals him and his shield charges.

And once his W is off he's one of the most easiest free kill ever, if you kill his OWN minions HE CAN'T FUCKING USE HIS W, but you don't know it because you can't play against morde with that brain

{quoted} Are there champions who can all-in him early? Sure, Olaf and Jax come to mind. But these are a few champions. He has options. It's not as simple as "hur dur all in him." People position correctly in lane to avoid this. You should know better than this, quite frankly it's disappointing that you fail to point this out. That said...

nothing learned from this

{quoted} I'm not even complaining as if he's overpowered. He's just very obnoxious

subjectivity op

HateDaddyMar 5, 20172 votes

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And once his W is off he's one of the most easiest free kill ever, if you kill his OWN minions HE CAN'T FUCKING USE HIS W, but you don't know it because you can't play against morde with that brain

Yeah because Morde only has one ability, you're right.

This is a stupid argument. A melee champion who walks up and focuses the minion he Ws will take harass from Morde. It all comes down to whether or not they could kill that minion quickly and disengage without taking his Q charges. If they can't, they get punished for this (and he heals/charges his shield off this) and it ends up being annoying.

I didn't say he was OP, I simply said he's obnoxious to play against as most melees. That's it. And you made the ridiculous statement of "do x and y will happen" when literally nothing in this game is that simple when factoring in various kits and their capabilities, and as a higher level player, you should know that. And that's pretty disappointing.

subjectivity op

Annoying/obnoxious to play against =/= overpowered in any context. I suspect Morde is reasonably balanced, he's simply just not fun to play against. It's amazing that you have the audacity to challenge my intelligence with statements like "with that brain" yet you make this ridiculous correlation.

Talk to me when you can actually read and comprehend what you're reading. Your ability to think critically and your analysis of is apparently poor. Frankly, discussing anything with you is like listening to fingernails on a chalkboard: non stop cringe.

AhristocatsMar 6, 20171 votes

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Yeah because Morde only has one ability, you're right.

exactly, mordekaiser maxes W, his Q E sucks at rank 1, his R takes 10 sec to do all of its damage

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I didn't say he was OP, I simply said he's obnoxious to play against as most melees.

i can take any champ and say that, and you won't be able to do anything against it because it's subjective

HateDaddyMar 6, 20172 votes

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exactly, mordekaiser maxes W, his Q E sucks at rank 1, his R takes 10 sec to do all of its damage

I wouldn't say his level 1 Q sucks, if he hits with 3 charges, that's going to pack a punch early. No it won't 100-0, but it does a decent amount fairly early. And yes, his E sucks. However, you aren't just going to be able to outright ignore this either. And his lane sustain + shield make trading with him not so straight forward. So again, not nearly as simple or straight forward. Morde has room to fuction and operate and if you aren't able to meet the conditions I stated above, it becomes an annoying lane.

i can take any champ and say that, and you won't be able to do anything against it because it's subjective

I didn't say it wasn't subjective, I said it wasn't subjectively OP. Are you really that dense? You said subjectively OP, I corrected you because I never said he was overpowered and complaining about whether a champion is fun to fight or not isn't a matter of their current state of balance, or in other words, being OP; or, in your reply, subjectively OP. In short, the determination of whether a champion is fun to fight or not is subjective, yes, but saying this is the same thing as subjectively OP is idiotic and incorrect.

AhristocatsMar 6, 20171 votes

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I wouldn't say his level 1 Q sucks, if he hits with 3 charges, that's going to pack a punch early. No it won't 100-0, but it does a decent amount fairly early.

for the time it needs it does a crappy amount of damage

{quoted} And yes, his E sucks. However, you aren't just going to be able to outright ignore this either. And his lane sustain + shield make trading with him not so straight forward.

His E sucks in 1v1 and against a melee champion morde can miss in melee range due to the width in melee range if the enemy sidestep it, but again you don't know this

{quoted} So again, not nearly as simple or straight forward. Morde has room to fuction and operate and if you aren't able to meet the conditions I stated above, it becomes an annoying lane.

THAT'S HOW EVERY FUCKING LANER WORKS

{quoted} I didn't say it wasn't subjective, I said it wasn't subjectively OP.

subjectivity op, not subjectively op the idea of obnoxious anyway is subjective, just like how bronze players can't deal with yasuo you can't deal with morde because you don't know how to play against morde

HateDaddyMar 6, 20171 votes

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for the time it needs it does a crappy amount of damage And yes, his E sucks. However, you aren't just going to be able to outright ignore this either. And his lane sustain + shield make trading with him not so straight forward.

His E sucks in 1v1 and against a melee champion morde can miss in melee range due to the width in melee range if the enemy sidestep it, but again you don't know this So again, not nearly as simple or straight forward. Morde has room to fuction and operate and if you aren't able to meet the conditions I stated above, it becomes an annoying lane.

THAT'S HOW EVERY FUCKING LANER WORKS

Yes, exactly. That's why you shouldn't say "just do this and you get this result" because it's not that simple. And you aren't even considering his passive + his healing. And none of this is to be evidence of whether he's OP or not, just annoying as shit if you're melee. Which, as I said above, is absolutely subjective and really wasn't even the purpose of this thread to begin with.

subjectivity op, not subjectively op the idea of obnoxious anyway is subjective, just like how bronze players can't deal with yasuo you can't deal with morde because you don't know how to play against morde

Subjectivity and subjectively are the same thing lol...both are defined as being based on personal feelings/biases. And you used the term OP, and I didn't. Because I don't think Morde is OP. And you keep trying to make this ridiculous argument that because I find Morde annoying, I must:

A) not know how to play against him (which I admit as rarely as I see him in top lane, I'm sure a portion of this is true)

And

B) overpowered because you, yourself, selected the word OP. And I don't find him OP.

Death by GlamourMar 5, 20171 votes

Will be a breath of fresh air for me tbh

Fed up of seeing jhin and mf

AhristocatsMar 5, 20173 votes

i've been saying that morde is fine since at least 1 month since i started using him in ranked the only thing he needs is a good meta

to answer to your question, i think in 1 week we will see QQ. we already have caitlyn mains telling us that morde is awful to play against expecting us to take them seriously

CyberBaltMar 5, 20171 votes

TBH I agree. In terms of pure balance, I would say he's in a good spot. Only thing I would really ask for is bug fixes + a small base movespeed buff. He IS unfun to play against as a melee who hasn't seen him before, but his weaknesses become clear after a few games playing against him.

I am of the (I think unpopular?) opinion that Morde does not need a FULL VGU. The most I would be willing to go is a shen-level gameplay update, or one of those class-updates. If neither should happen, then just small lovetaps like the movespeed and bug fixes.

Big LincolnMar 5, 20172 votes

HP tank was stupid though, why would we want that

HateDaddyMar 5, 20171 votes

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HP tank was stupid though, why would we want that

Because you could make his damage relatively low while keeping his durability high, giving him the ability to slowly whittle folks down in the middle of fights. This fits his theme well and it makes his gameplay feel less binary than "did I hit you with third Q? No. I died."

Big LincolnMar 5, 20171 votes

why can't we go back to the old kit and work off that

outside of his E and his shield generation being too good i thought it was salvageable

HateDaddyMar 5, 20173 votes

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why can't we go back to the old kit and work off that

outside of his E and his shield generation being too good i thought it was salvageable

In fairness to riot, old Morde def had an identity crisis. You had this inhumanly large knight in metal armor with a huge mace that was squishy and played like a mage. He was melee with short ranged spells and no mobility, his entire gameplay was stomp or he stomped (which is ironic because that binary nature is still true). I think riot botched his rework for sure but I will not deny he needed massive changes. Most old champions like that need massive changes tbh.

Big LincolnMar 5, 20172 votes

that's also a problem with AP fighters in general, the only one they got "right" is swain

everyone else either goes full AP like old mord and rumble, or they go tank. then you have cho who now scales with health even while building full AP

wonder if mord would work better as AD at this point.

Malicious MetalMar 5, 20171 votes

Nope. People didn't play Morde for his durability alone.

He is a Juggernaut, not a Tank but his current tank steroid is a broken concept in itself, that's why he needs a VGU

Big LincolnMar 6, 20171 votes

I still maintain that it can be salvaged, but it's really hard to balance when it's always on AND when it scales directly off his damage output

If one or both were changed I think that alone would put him in a much more reasonable spot

Malicious MetalMar 6, 20171 votes

Durability based on pure damage output is an unhealthy design, that's why they changed Swain and made Vlad not rely on spellvamp.

Iron Man has to go if Morde's ever to be healthy.

Big LincolnMar 6, 20171 votes

i think it needs to stay in some fashion; it's probably the most iconic piece of the champion besides his ult. If it remained on his passive, I think if it didn't continually refresh or decay until Mordekaiser fills it at least once (and made it harder to fill it initially), it'd be fine; so you could have a few moments to burst him before the shield turns on.

If it wasn't going to be on his passive I'd imagine it would be attached to W somehow

DeathBurstMar 10, 20171 votes

I agree with Lincoln there, the current iteration may be broken, but Iron Man still need to stay. Some conditionality or windowing is needed, but it's the most important part of his kit. Even more than his ult, I'd say.

And if one thing has to go, it's the ult. You can get dumpstered all game long, if you manage one good ghost on the fed AD carry who actually dumpstered you, you can turn over a whole game. As long as this possibility remains, Riot has to balance around it, and that is a problem.

MordepoolMar 5, 20171 votes

How convenient that everyone Forgets that since the Rylais Nerf Mordes Winrate has dropped by 4-5%. In Every Elo except for Plat+. In fact I'll be happy to see Mordes Winrate take a freefall after all the FOTM Raiders have a go with him.

Morde is good at the Highest levels of play because his team builds around him "Teamwork" makes him seem OP anyone who says otherwise is delusional

HateDaddyMar 5, 20172 votes

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How convenient that everyone Forgets that since the Rylais Nerf Mordes Winrate has dropped by 4-5%. In Every Elo except for Plat+. In fact I'll be happy to see Mordes Winrate take a freefall after all the FOTM Raiders have a go with him.

Morde is good at the Highest levels of play because his team builds around him "Teamwork" makes him seem OP anyone who says otherwise is delusional

Again, I'm not actually saying he's op. He's just obnoxious to face and a terrible design. And if he continues to be played, give it time and all the Morde circlejerkers will turn on him.

CyberBaltMar 5, 20171 votes

He isn't obnoxious to play against as ranged (maybe because the rework intended to put him in bot lane?), but I agree that he is obnoxious to play against for melees who DON'T have experience playing vs him.

If they do, then they would realize how utterly dependent he is on his W in laning phase. If you can, kill the minion he W's on to ASAP. That will remove his W and leave him extremely vulnerable to getting all inned. Also abuse his W cooldowns just in general.

To answer your question, I don't think the Morde QQ will come, at least not by anyone who actually knows him very well.