Am I the only AP main that is jealous of the new Essence reaver?

xxxMadLionxxx·May 3, 2018·45 votes·15,596 views

I wish AP champs could have something as cool as that....sigh....

77 Comments

KhristophorosMay 3, 201814 votes

Yeah I really wish we had it for mages. It's not fair. Even if the CD reduction is still from autoattacks it would open up more options for what to do during downtime in teamfights. It would actually be so awesome because deciding whether to autoattack as a mage is a tough choice but the lack of reward right now makes it nearly irrelevant later in the game. And ofc it would open up new skill rotations.

xxxMadLionxxxMay 3, 201816 votes

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Yeah I really wish we had it for mages. It's not fair. Even if the CD reduction is still from autoattacks it would open up more options for what to do during downtime in teamfights. It would actually be so awesome because deciding whether to autoattack as a mage is a tough choice but the lack of reward right now makes it nearly irrelevant later in the game. And ofc it would open up new skill rotations.

Yea its like AD champs get all the cool keystones and items. Remember when they tried to make Rageblade into an AD only item

FilDaFunkMay 4, 201811 votes

Mages get reduced mana so they can't push as well. ADCs get mana refunds. Interesting.

Acheron16May 4, 20182 votes

It's not as if adcs need an entire item that only restores 1% mana per auto, on a class with a small mana pool.

Oh wait.

FilDaFunkMay 4, 20181 votes

Small mana costs.

LordGeovanniMay 5, 20181 votes

Most mages have small mana costs on their wave clear abilities. Not like they are tanks with small mana pools and large mana costs

AezanthyaMay 3, 201810 votes

Riot logic :

-Hey let's rework Ahri and give her CD reduction on her non-ultimate abilities when she hits people with her R !

-I have a better idea, let's bring ahri back to the state we said was unhealthy and give that awesome new change to the adc overlord because who doesn't love to rightclick to win ?

DuskDaUmbreonMay 3, 201826 votes

Maybe it's because that state isn't unhealthy anymore?

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but the issue at the time was DFG alongside her E's amp, right? It just became too much damage at once.

Now she's a bit more properly balanced, and now they have other tools to balance her.

2Charmnot2CharmMay 3, 201811 votes

DFG was the reason she got a charm amp on her E in the first place.

PokladnicaZlaMay 4, 20181 votes

She got/had the amplifier on her E even after DFG was removed. Her E tho powerful was a hit or miss situation,because it occupied most of her power budget. She either hit it and killed the squishy ( if she even did decently early) or she missed and dealt 50-60% of their HP and was left vulnerable.

I can't on the behalf on Ahri players , who actually play her , but IMO the ulty with reset would have been a better solution on the long run. It wouldn't divide the power in her kit into a basic ability and would allow for some sick outplays if she used her ultimate efficiently.

NineTailedMysticMay 4, 20182 votes

She got/had the amplifier on her E even after DFG was removed.

No. she. did. not.

Patch 5.2 both DFG and the E amp were removed.

but IMO the ulty with reset would have been a better solution on the long run. It wouldn't divide the power in her kit into a basic ability and would allow for some sick outplays if she used her ultimate efficiently.

Ahri is not a machine gun mage. She does not need innate CDR. She has all the tools in her kit to outplay someone without it.

2Charmnot2CharmMay 4, 20181 votes

She got/had the amplifier on her E even after DFG was removed.

I don't know why i see this said so much, there was never a point Ahri had her charm amp while DFG was out of the game (Till this year).

saltranMay 3, 201813 votes

Ahri is unhealthy now? I don't think so.

rtbf223434721May 4, 20183 votes

I made a full check up on her... just to be safe.

I think she is fine... no signs of illness.

Big LincolnMay 3, 20189 votes

i wish I had itemization even half as op as mage items

xxxMadLionxxxMay 3, 201822 votes

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i wish I had itemization even half as op as mage items

like what?

Big LincolnMay 3, 201811 votes

item 3157 item 3905 item 3040 item 3151

Garen item 3151

remakoroMay 3, 201812 votes

item 1419 item 3153 item 3026 item 3042 item 3139 Zed item 3156 Except twin shadows AD has its own counterpart for almost everything. And some things of its own.

Big LincolnMay 3, 20182 votes

3 shit items and 1 good one

good try though desu

Votable JesterMay 4, 20186 votes

There are 6 items there.

Big LincolnMay 4, 20184 votes

he edited his post

Votable JesterMay 4, 20183 votes

Ahh.

Even so, every one of those items (with the exception of item 3042 ) has been strong at some point, even if they aren't now. Even now I see almost all those items reasonably often.

remakoroMay 4, 20182 votes

Yea bullshit me more. I only added mercurial. So it had 5 items.

rtbf223434721May 4, 20184 votes

Im not an expert but i think is not a purchasable item.

One day i will try to build a Zed on my favorite adc.

Warlord RhinarkMay 4, 20181 votes

"Zed"

Cost: Your soul, dignity and the chance of ever having friends again.

69 Armor Penetration

Active: Become untargetable for 0.75 seconds whilst a professional LCS player personally takes control of your champion to position yourself correctly and then spawns a clone of your champion that proceeds to right-click the nearest enemy. After 3 seconds, 50% of the physical damage you or your clone dealt to the enemy will be dealt to the enemy again. This damage can crit.

If you successfully kill someone with the mark or before it triggers, gain 25% of their total AD.

rtbf223434721May 4, 20181 votes

RIOT hire this guy!

It's a good cost efficient Item that we all need.

LordGeovanniMay 5, 20181 votes

GA is not a Zhonya's counterpart Just because they both have stasis when GA stasis requires you to die and has a longer cooldown item 3040 is better than item 3042 and has a active sheild on it while Muramana needs its passive on hit to just be equal with Seraphs ap from mana except that mages also have better secondary mana items with other good stats while Muramana doesnt. item 1419 TIed to smite and not half as good as item 3151 or half as much stats

HàrrowRMay 3, 20182 votes

Tbh i always liked how other classes have a strong first item that gives them basically everything they need, Tanks get sunfire,armor,hp +aoe damage that also helps farming, mages had morellonomicon now they have Liandry,which gives AP,mana,cdr and bonus damage on the proc, fighters have trinity/black cleaver,also an item that gives a lot of stats overall,but the adcs don't really have that one super useful item,building just IE or Shiv doesn't really give all the necessary stats,you either lack AS and have only 20% crit or you have no damage and your crits aren't as strong,only when you get your first 2 items can you feel like you have the necessary ingredients to be functional.

On the side note item 3153 would be an ideal first item for any adc if not for the fact that it doesn't pay off compared to rushing crit

BattalionMay 4, 20181 votes

It used to be the first item on a good few AD marksmen back in the day.

HàrrowRMay 4, 20181 votes

Ye i remember,that was after they changed it,maybe with the upcoming changes it will be rushed again,i think his price is going down to 3200

Dead flag bluesMay 3, 20188 votes

They nerfed item 1056 right before this patch to tell us "fuck off hahahaha"

Smitty ManjensenMay 4, 20182 votes

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They nerfed right before this patch to tell us "fuck off hahahaha"

Stop kidding yourself, it wasn't nerfed. On most people you gain more regen with this early game plus you can now stack them, which you couldn't with the previous version.

RyrynounetMay 4, 20181 votes

which you couldn't with the previous version.

because some champion top were abusing it ? Gragas Nautilus Maokai ???

Smitty ManjensenMay 4, 20182 votes

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because some champion top were abusing it ? ???

So? I am just pointing out that you couldn't do that, not the reason why. Now you can stack them.

Rathar DashingMay 3, 20187 votes

Ooh, but now I can play ADC Ahri for real

[sg-ahri-2]

CasterGilgameshMay 3, 20182 votes

lol its now official turn all mages into adc's we can now get ad Leblanc Malzahar Vladimir

SomeStarsMay 4, 20181 votes

the master guy who plays crit leblanc must be hyped

Vid the StrangeMay 3, 20185 votes

What would an "AP version of ER" even look like?

Most AP champions don't auto enough for an effect like the new ER passive to be viable.

xxxMadLionxxxMay 3, 20188 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vid the Strange,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lbzEEGun,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2018-05-03T18:58:23.501+0000)

What would an "AP version of ER" even look like?

Most AP champions don't auto enough for an effect like the new ER passive to be viable.

After using your ult, each none spell cast refunds 20% of all none ult spells cooldown.

AirKingNeoMay 3, 20184 votes

that would be nice if spellbinder had that

SteelflameMay 3, 20185 votes

That is either completely and utterly busted, or worthless, with no in between. The champs who have extremely low CD skills become absolutely insane (Ryze sees this item and laughs as he returns to S3-4 machine gun Ryze mode), champs with 1 low CD may potentially trigger it twice in the span of time they would normally get one, and many more would just... not have any real effect.

ZackTheWaffleManMay 4, 20181 votes

That's racist towards Kog'Maw.

saltranMay 4, 20184 votes

Laughs in Ryze or Cassio

McsquzzyMay 3, 20181 votes

as weird as it is, this is it item 1402 item 1414 well its the closest thing

HammermancerMay 3, 20184 votes

As a Jayce I gotta say...

HAHA ITS OURS ALLLLL OURS

xxxMadLionxxxMay 3, 20182 votes

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As a I gotta say...

HAHA ITS OURS ALLLLL OURS

item 3070

HammermancerMay 3, 20184 votes

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It fills me with item 3800

Spacesuit SpiffMay 4, 20184 votes

ADCs are ascending to this weird new design philosophy. Mages still have one foot planted in DOTA logic

deadlychuckMay 4, 20183 votes

You're mistaking descending of the game for the ascending of a class. It's like when a car next to you starts moving, but you feel like you're rolling backwards

TaroBunniMay 4, 20183 votes

Oh, jealousy is a common feeling in League. Heck, I'm a Varus main... and I get jealous of myself when I'm playing a non-marksman character because I can't buy Runaan's Hurricane.