Just curious, why do people HATE building Sight-Stone on Support?

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Supports build it because they're the only ones whose damage isn't actually why they exist.

Depends on the support you have.

Supports like Brand and Zyra do tons of damage and their damage is part of what makes them good and effective because damage is never a bad thing to have.

ADC's and mages can't set their build back 800 gold and expect to get keep even in lane.

How is this not proving my point? Sightstone is a burden and it is put on the support out of overall team effectiveness for the rest of the team.

the importance of vision and thus the overall net efficiency in vision it provides makes it mandatory, but the item itself sux because that power in vision it provides is already huge. Making it stat efficient as well would make everyone buy it and then there would be too much vision.

Ultimately it comes down to it being simply a ubiquitous item no one wants to buy, so the support is made to have to shoulder it because it is less of a burden on them than on every other role.

it's no different than the reasoning why mages are midlane and ADC' are bot lane. it's all macro.

By that logic "sightstone" should be a jungler only item as they freely build it as part of their core item, while supports get more utility than red/blue smite out of talisman/face of the mountain/frost queens.

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How is it NOT considered a support item? Riot literally has the gold income items build into it which are intended for supports...

Those were added to make the burden of Sightstone less taxing on support item slots mere months ago. Wards in of themselves are not intristically linked to supporting, or at least Riot also outwardly claims.

Else trickets wouldnt exist. nor .

It is merely burdened on the support because they are second class citizens Their build efficiency is less important than the others (statistically speaking) and thus they are the best person to force sightstone on because it woul delay other laners powerspikes and slot efficiency.

I mean, the vision is so important, why would you want your carry to invest 800 gold on an item that doesnt give him more damage? The support role is more forgiving in that regard.

This is exactly the point i am making tho.

Supports build sightstone because someone has to, and no one else wants the job.

There are reasons beyond that but I agree that Sightstone isn't a "support" item in the sense that it doesn't directly help the support fulfill their role.

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Losing a slot also doesn't hurt supports as much since its likely that the game will be over before they even hit 6 items.

Which is of course a whole 'nother issue with Supports that should be sorted...!

in one sense i guess it is semi gold efficient but the utility it provides is vision not a heal or shield so the utility is only tied how good you can be at watching the map while not getting poked to death by either the enemy adc or support (or both in some cases).Now against ganks while behind it could work but its kinda debate-able in early game if a jungler ganks us we either cant afford to leave the tower or its gone so we have to stall we would be able to stall out the fight if we had a better combat item so i could probs get me out of or even another item giving me more defense.Late game i agree it is needed but only because riot limited vision so much and no one ever wants to use their trinkets

i just wish it costed less and that it either gave health regen so i could buy it while behind so i could withstand poke or let it regen wards so i didnt have to back too many times late and early game or carry more wards since there is already a limit

then people would just plop 4 wards in base every recall

Not sure that'd work well.

I could see it's stats grow for every 2000+ item completed though. So every time the support finishes an item, it's stats would grow a bit. Maybe even add a unique active when once 3-4 items are completed (mainly for once you get fullbuild) where using sighstone on yourself makes your next ward a Control ward (with a cooldown of course, or only once per back).

Of all things I said, that's what got your attention.

Alas, here I thought this was going to be an actual discussion.