Can we just remove Devourer?

Guy Fox Teemo··44 votes·3,497 views

Does it need to exist? Do we NEED to have champions that farm 24/7 and do nothing until 20mins? Every champion that jungles and uses devourer currently can do perfectly fine without it.

Just like feral flare and we all know how much of a mess that was.

29 Comments

SuperSourCat6 votes

Not really, its quite reasonable for the stacks as long as your actively participating in fights and ganks as well as farming, and the champ your playing has a semi-decent clear speed

A Miss Fortune12 votes

It's not that hard to get Sated before 18 minutes while also helping your team.

Pretty much instead of tanks being more tankier when they get Cinderhulk, or assassins being able to contribute more early game with Warrior, anyone with Devourer can just 1v5 like It's nothing. It's disgusting when Kayle literally 1v5s your team while taking 0 damage or when Yi does 900 true damage to your tank in less than 1 second.

SuperSourCat1 votes

Try xin xao >:)

A Miss Fortune2 votes

As if he wasn't already broken enough, now he has a knockup on 2 auto attacks on top of a heal.

HanSolo is alive2 votes

Try AP Xin zhao, 800 health every 3 auto attacks due to the double on hit from his W passive. Match that with his W active, his Q as an auto reset, the attack speed from the devourer and Nashers tooth and you'll be 1v1ing towers in no time. Oh, and he can dual just about anyone as long as he can auto them. I would also recommend taking the chilling smite as his clear is decent and you be able to slow your enemies to ensure you can auto attack them.

SuperSourCat1 votes

One bit of cc and focus then he dead

Nekusen3 votes

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It's not that hard to get Sated before 18 minutes while also helping your team.

Pretty much instead of tanks being more tankier when they get Cinderhulk, or assassins being able to contribute more early game with Warrior, anyone with Devourer can just 1v5 like It's nothing. It's disgusting when Kayle literally 1v5s your team while taking 0 damage or when Yi does 900 true damage to your tank in less than 1 second.

some times you can even build devoured as a tank, i mean, i used tank-ekko with devoured and works. having in mind it's cost-efficiency, i don't see why people would buy warrior.

Retillin1 votes

You only buy Warrior if you are in pro play and you HAVE to have a strong early game. Warrior is a better item until 18ish mins. But there is no reason the other 99+% of players unless you are playing Kha.

Aych Pii1 votes

You're being a little too hyperbolic.

A Superb Villain4 votes

They say item 3718 is cursed, that any who take up this blade are possessed with an insatiable need to farm the jungle. By neglecting those closest to them, they are gifted with unfathomable power... at the cost of their eternal soul.

CoolKnightST4 votes

Even if some people find the item toxic. It's actualy a item that makes these types of junglers viable. In higher ranked of play you still see ganking junglers like LeeSin Nidalee RekSai Elise. You still see controle junglers like Nunu Gragas and than you see Shyvana with devour and than whe have picks like OlafEvelynn . So it's not like devour is dominating the meta. Actualy this is the first time I have ever seen so much viable junglers. Normaly you have to pick between 1 or 2 powerpicks. Now you actualy have options in the jungle.

I fear if devour is nerfed to hard these type of junglers will disapear again resulting into limited powerpicks. My guess it will be a contest between Nidalee, Elise & LeeSin. Do whe really want that gank meta back?

I think the community is overreacting just because they get 3v1'd when someone just get his sated. Just check the winrates. The junglers with the highest winrate doesn't even use devour. Offcours whe could say Skarner is a bug that has to be fixed.

So what devour junglers with higher winrate than 50% are left? Warwick (getting reworked some day), Kayle, XinZhao, Udyr Shyvana

CoolKnightST1 votes

What I think devour needs is to split the powerspike you get:

  • 10 Stacks = ...
  • 20 Stacks = ...
  • 30 Stacks = ...
J Epstein3 votes

You don't have to farm 24/7. I just played a game as Devourer Yi, all my team's lanes were being bullied hard, so i skipped stacking my devourer and helped my lanes. You know what, I was behind, but I kept my team afloat. Then I was able to grab a camp here or there and we eventually won the game.

CorruptShadowsxx3 votes

i hate it. i absolutely hate it. why. why is sated devourer a thing. i see too many afk junglers with sated while the lanes get raped. this is why i try to spam jg and go warrior so ppl dont have to feel the pain of an afk jungler. so people respect warrior xin zhao and his earlygame. so people respect warrior.

Shonjl2 votes

People act like Devourer means your jng will afk for 20 minutes. That just means the jng is bad, not the item. Its very easy to stack as well as maintain pressure. I use Devourer WW all the time, which not only has to wait til 6 to even start ganking. I can not only get sated by the 18 minute mark with ease, but also have ganked a good 3-5 times in the process.

If the jng does just afk stack then they should at least be finishing it faster so they can wreck harder. Again if they aren't then they are a bad jng. I am sure if I ignored lanes I could probably finish it within 15 minutes or so.

Risurin2 votes

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Does it need to exist? Do we NEED to have champions that farm 24/7 and do nothing until 20mins? Every champion that jungles and uses devourer currently can do perfectly fine without it.

Just like feral flare and we all know how much of a mess that was.

bad junglers do that. It stack rather slowly. If your jungler can pressure early, secure all the dragon, the devourer isnt going to get it for a very long time. Devourer is overall fine. I think the real issue is that people pick a lot of champions that arent that good in the jungle to begin with and try to get sated. those usually are slow at doing their camp, dont have good gank for most of the lanning phase and/or are very vulnerable against counter-ganks and invades.

Scrimshäw2 votes

how can they farm 24/7 if it's only until 20 minutes???

Aych Pii2 votes

No, we can't. Yes, it needs to exist. If the enemy jungler is really doing nothing but farming for 20 minutes and you're not winning by a landslide, your jungler is doing something wrong. If your jungler is doing nothing but farming for 20 minutes, tell them to knock it off (politely).

As for junglers doing just fine without devourer... Shyvana was playable but suboptimal with Warrior or Cidnerhulk, Yi's never been doable with anything but Devourer although the old version did him somewhat okay. Nocturne's been bad for a long time and is only barely back, Kayle hasn't been a decent jungle pick in quite a long time. Jax wasn't seriously considered a jungler before, but now he's quite formidable. This item did a lot to expand the number of options us junglers have at our disposal.

(Also, it's a bit disingenuous to say "it's just like Feral Flare and wasn't that a mess". Is Devourer a mess or isn't it? It hardly matters whether feral flare was, since this is a completely different item.)

Citavista2 votes

Give Warrior and Runeglaive a better late game like Cinderhulk and Devourer so the whole jungle will be OP please.

Nekusen1 votes

item 3710 is the only JG item that builds around stacks. why is the attack speed one build differently from the others ? seems kinda arbitrary

PL551 votes

It takes a while to get devourer sated, some junglers find it worthwhile to just gank after they get to buy devourer. Kills and assists combined with a few scuttle crabs will stack up as fast as a rotation in the jungle.

C9 Scott Free 1 votes

Because Nocturne and Yi don't benefit. Because Jungle TF didn't benefit? I mean devour helps a lot of junglers that aren't as good be played.

Venowolf1 votes

Devourer need a nerf this is a must!

MarkedOfKane1 votes

I think they should just bring back the old devourer. The new one is fucking stupid and ruins the game imo.

Twiggles1 votes

Sated Devourer is the only thing in the game more cancerous than Tryndamere's ultimate. There. I said it.

Rinky Dinky1 votes

Literally all of the champs, barring Shyvana, that build item 3710 were struggling before it was buffed. Some still are.

But yeah ok bud.

I love these dumbass threads that don't solve anything.

xD

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

if they only afk farm till 20 min then they most likely will lose xd please.. its a good item that dose what i should :)

Strange Months1 votes

Remove this item from the game, I would take tf release and xin release again over this any day. Its not about how good it can be, its how it separates the jungler from the team, more so then ever.

CFX Jaws1 votes

To be honest this item devour is busted It can be ran on "MOST" jungle champions and the fact of the matter is it just takes away from other jungle items such as cinder hulk and warrior champions like Jax, Master Yi And Xin zhao can all perform well without the item sure but since then Master Yi and Jax have just been perma bans in low to mid elo games because the item makes the champions way to over powered a sated jax? sated yi? 2 shot any squishies and can clean up entire teams by themselves based off the combination of this item and Bork/ Rage blade please remove this item its just been such a bother and anyone who has to play against it hates it.

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