Why does Zoe's Q count as 2 casts for her passive?

Zerenza·Sep 6, 2018·3 votes·2,002 views

So, what your telling me is that at level 1 Zoe can do 58+18+anywhere from 7+50+60%AP- 17+125+150%AP and then hit you again for that 58+18 not even counting Aery proc, let's do some math.

76+81+76=233 and that's assuming she hit you with a point blank Q. Don't forget she can use Q to zone you while using her 2 bonus damage auto's each time. Like, 233 is half of most champions healthbar's at level 1 and for a poke/burst mage that's pretty damned insane, not counting Scorch+Aery which she always takes, that's A LOT of damage.

16 Comments

xxxDogmanxxxSep 6, 20189 votes

Why does Zoe's Q count as 2 casts for her passive?

Probably because you usually cast it twice. Duh.

PhoneixflareSep 6, 20183 votes

Nah, you aren't casting two projectiles but thematically redirecting one... It should only be one cast of the spell. I agree with OP

xxxDogmanxxxSep 7, 20183 votes

You press Q twice, yes? Well there you go.

PhoneixflareSep 9, 20181 votes

it is still only ONE projectile. it isnt a second projectile or missile that is being cast. It is the same ability being redirected towards another point. I'm not sure of this, but does Lux E's second activation count as a second spellcast to proc lichbane or not? if it does not, then neither should zoe's Q interact with her passive in the same way of "casting a spell."

xxxDogmanxxxSep 11, 20181 votes

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PhoneixflareSep 11, 20181 votes

if it only procs lichbane once, in which lichbane procs everytime an ability is used(not including if the auto is used before the cooldown window on spellblade)...why should zoe q proc her passive twice if the interaction is similar to lichbane's passive? the two function in a very similar and I would say near identical way with the SOLE exception being zoe's q procs the passive twice for no good reason.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 6, 20185 votes

Because you cast it twice.

All double-cast abilities can count for things similar to her passive.

PhoneixflareSep 9, 20181 votes

does it count for two casts for lichbane?

DuskDaUmbreonSep 9, 20181 votes

It would if her Q didn't have a recast window of under a second.

PhoneixflareSep 9, 20181 votes

does the same rule apply for zed w, lux e, ASOL Q, camile hookshot, jax stun etc? you are saying that any ability that can be 'reactivated' can proc it and should be able to? it isnt like the ability has charges like ahri ultimate or vi e or cait/jhin traps.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 9, 20181 votes

Lux's E, no. You're not recasting anything, you're just ending something ongoing.

Zed's W...I'm not sure. I've never seen a Zed with any Sheen item, so I couldn't tell you. It might, though.

Asol's Q is a toggle. Toggles do not affect Spellblade.

Camille's E...It might. You'd never get a second use of it, because of how it works (Recast window less than Spellblade cooldown, and attempting to attack would end it), but it's possible it would.

Jax's E shouldn't, as it's ending an effect, much like Lux's E.

Not just all reactivated abilities, but reactivated abilities that are not a toggle and are not just an effect ending.

PhoneixflareSep 10, 20181 votes

but it IS a reactivation that you have the OPTION of using, just like zoe doesnt have to re cast her q at all. She can technically launch it forward straight at someone if she doesnt want or need the bonus damage from the distance. you are just redirecting something ongoing. That's using the same logic as yours. You aren't casting the spell again because it has already been cast. Paddle star is ONE ability with two parts just like the ones I mentioned. You aren't casting Q on cooldown a second time. You are casting the ability, as a whole, with all of its effects, ONE TIME. It would be one thing if zoe's other abilities allowed her to redirect skillshot spells she used because that would make sense and generally would balance the champion out rather than the mess of the champion she is now, but the secondary portion of a spell should not count as a recast if it doesn't across the board for all other champions that have similar abilities in their kit. That's not consistent with the rest of the game and you know it.

Asol's q is not a toggle, it is his Starsurge, which is his stun that grows the further it travels and he can again press q to detonate the spell early in its travel time. His toggled spell is his w.

DaBoooshSep 6, 20183 votes

okay. Zed at level 3. W, W, E, Q The shuriken deals 90 damage at rank 1. E deals 70. Plus electrocute which is +30 at minimum That's 190 damage which is assuming your shadow missed both abilities If Q hits that's 260 damage(for your shadow of course) Also assuming he didn't use a few auto attacks He's not the only one too Ekko's Q deals 100 damage at rank one if it hits outward and coming back Not including passive It goes through minions. So with Zoe, as long you don't try to facecheck a brush, you can stand behind the minions to negate most of the damage(which is from the paddlestar) How long are you going to stay at level 1? [sg-ahri-2]

ZerenzaSep 6, 20182 votes

Fair, however, if your a Melee against her she can already straight auto you with no conciquence, auto's hurt A LOT level 1-5, even if she misses her Q, even if you hide behind minions(which means, as a melee, you can't farm.) guess what? Those two auto's she hits you with each time deal 152 damage in total. Ekko Q might do 100 damage at level 1, but it should, just like most abilities at level 1, but to be able to nearly double that at level 1 and completely zone someone out for the rest of lane phase?

Like, in the early game especially in mid 1 bad trade as most champions means your done for awhile. With zoe making that bad trade happen, poking someone down if they won't let you get your full 253 damage trade(this is with both Aery and Scorch, which procs twice in this combo btw so actually 264.) your still poking them down with the auto's.

Zoe is the only one who can that at level 1, zed, as you just said is at level fucking 3 and still barely matches up to her. Like i think people really underestimate what range means in LoL, she can legit do 152 damage minimum at level 1 FOR MISSING AN ABILITY! SHE DOESN"T EVEN HAVE TO LAND HER Q TO DEAL MORE THAN BOTH PARTS OF EKKO'S Q! Caps to reiterate and to show emphasis.

DaBoooshSep 6, 20182 votes

Zoe's autos and abilities are crazy. That passive is mad and the W is just not the best ability in the world. They did nerf the passive damage though She doesn't really tilt me. But she's really like a ranged assassin that can kill a carry in an instant. As long as you're standing behind a minion or a tank with MR then you'll mostly be fine Other mages get pretty crazy too When syndra gets into the mid game the damage is insane Same with oriana But then, so does Zoe. She'll be nerfed to the ground don't you worry Just like marksmen got slapped