If we had AP bruiser items, Diana wouldn't be building full burst mage items

xxxMadLionxxx·5/16/2019, 8:30:22 PM·39 votes·14,831 views

Don't you agree?

I don't see why Diana needs changes when she isn't the actual problem. The problem is that she is an AP fighter who has no choice but to build burst items.

Instead of nerfing her, how about we make 2-4 AP bruiser items like you did for AD assassins item 3147 item 3814 item 3142 ? Honestly, I feel like Riot is just being lazy and rather balance AP fighter through their kit instead of giving them real items.

79 Comments

Hayaishi25/16/2019, 8:32:10 PM17 votes

We have ROA. Which she doesn"t build.

Diana's problem is her design. She either one shots or she can't and is useless.

Doesn't mean we cant use more items but it wouldn't fix her.

HP Crookshanks5/16/2019, 8:42:50 PM4 votes

AP version of item 3071 would be great

nosafterburn5/16/2019, 8:46:19 PM4 votes

the problem with AP bruiser items is that most mages can (and probably would) pick them up, and it would become a nightmare for the balancing team. NO ONE wants to hear MORE bitching on these boards. we already have enough of that.

DarkTree15/16/2019, 9:19:26 PM4 votes

unless diana can tank like 5 people for 10 seconds straight her itemization probably won't matter that much. her kit isn't as safe/versatile as other ap assassin type champions, she either 100-0 bursts or gets 100-0 bursted as her innate escapes/defenses kinda suck. not saying new ap bruiser itemization wouldn't be good it's just that diana suffers from her own problems

Ragnaveil5/16/2019, 9:40:44 PM4 votes

I mean, besides the items, she needs changes. Shes gotten a ton that have made her kit more geared towards being an assassin.

hhaavviikk5/16/2019, 10:08:05 PM4 votes

even if there were 9000 AP bruiser items so long as her kit doesn't get changed she will be played as an assassin because why play her as a bruiser when you can just point & click one shot squishies with a AP assassin build

Sir Saltarin5/16/2019, 9:14:03 PM3 votes

Nah, it's that her kit is garbage.

She's not as deep as Ekko or Sylas in terms of kit and it makes her to be just an assasin that can only go in and burst or be bursted since she doesn't have any tool to go back.

TuckingFypoTsu5/17/2019, 2:15:55 AM3 votes

Part of the problem is AD bruisers have gotten more support than AP bruisers. AP bruisers like singed, morde, etc. are still building how AD bruisers used to build (1-2 ad items + 1 mr tank + 1 armor tank item). Remember the darius classic black cleaver, visage, deadmans core? That shit could be built nearly every game. However today ad bruisers can build gage, titanic/ravenous hydra, spear of shojin, etc. Abyssal scepter was the closest to an ap bruiser item but the aoe was a bit too big and normal mages could just build it. Technically there are items that ap bruisers can build similar to ad bruisers (liandries/crystal/protobelt/morello) however not all champs can build this. Sylas can't fully utilize liandry/crystal and neither can diana. Singed/Morde (top) generally build liandry's + crystal and then tank items (occasionally picking up a 3rd ap item like morello or protobelt). Rumble is probably the only ap bruiser along with diana that builds full AP. However their kits fundamentally are different and one is sustained damage while the other is burst. Imo outside of creating ap bruiser items, they could tweak diana to play more around her passive. Just giving her movespeed doesn't really encourage her to go bruiser. It helps get more autos off but theres still not enough benefit to go pure melee form.

tldr ad bruisers have full support while ap bruisers are either going full ap or having to build a mish mash of tank items and pure ap items

Crispy0Snake5/16/2019, 10:24:41 PM2 votes

Why do you think that Diana would make a good bruiser even if those items existed?

You have item 3001 item 3157 item 3027 item 3165 item 3152 item 3102 item 3050, and you've not even tried to build like this in any way?

To make her a bruiser she needs high base damage and low scaling, which she already has

The problem is that her CC is weak, she'd be a blob of hp in a fight, she's immobile and easy to gank too, and in the jungle her clear speed would be awful with a bruiser build

Critmaster Garen5/16/2019, 11:51:15 PM2 votes

lets look at Diana kit compared to Irelia

do you really think the problem is the itemization?

diana has more than enough options to go into an ap bruiser build.

item 3115 item 3116 item 3027 item 3165 item 3091 item 3152 item 3001 item 3146

but a shit kit is still a shit kit.

Eleshakai5/17/2019, 8:07:37 PM2 votes

Wait... like Duskblade? So you want them to make another case for 'worst item design in lol history'... except for AP bruisers?

NineTailedMystic5/17/2019, 4:20:42 AM1 votes

If we had AP Bruiser items specifically, Mages would abuse them and one shot you while being tanky AF.