Things you hate about Sion re-work

Arch Mage Magnus·Oct 15, 2014·6 votes·1,125 views

Creating a wall in front of him simply nullifies his ult - Anivia, Trundle, Azir, etc.
Charging his Q in a fight thinking everyone is sufficiently CC'ed, when suddenly you get a small stun and it resets and you lose the 1.5 second swing.
His hit box on ult is smaller than he is, however skills shots affect his entire size.
Get's CC'ed to all hell when he enters passive, becomes entirely useless as long as anyone has CC, or even a randiuns, frost queen, etc,
Seems like he has to get way to close to enter AA range. Has a humongous axe, yet has to be within hugging range to strike with it.
Has horrible base stats - less health than all other bruisers and AD falls off quick.

Feel free to add anything else so Riot can make any adjustments they feel is necessary for next patch.

19 Comments

ParinoidPandaOct 16, 20144 votes

Disclaimer: I don't play Sion much, but have played with and against a lot.

Itemwise, he is pulled in too many directions to be effective early game.

he needs CDR for abilities
he needs AS for doing real damage
he needs AD for wave clear
he needs MS to stick to targets (abilities aren't enough)
he needs tank items because he gets focused in fights
he's too easy to completely nullify and ignore except as damage-less CDR tank, which nobody wants or needs.

Honestly, he's most scary in passive form, but then you just walk away from him. It's like he was meant to build pure tank, die, then actually do damage. He's karthus, but less useful.

OxBakerOct 16, 20143 votes

I like his overall design and I don't think he's far from viable. I think they maybe just need to buff his damage a bit or somehow make his Q aimable or tweak his passive or all of the above and he'll be fine.

Thief of SpaceOct 16, 20143 votes

-removed his old identity completely (Arnold Schwarzenegger voice)

-jungles slowly and literally cannot gank a lane until hes 6 or if theres a good cc champ to help.

-can easily be shutdown by ganking and invasions depending where he is.

-gimmicky CC is bad. why cant CC be simple anymore like Leona's abilities?

MysterageOct 15, 20142 votes

Pretty much every single gameplay element to him. One game I played as him, he was boring, slow & dull, and I HAD to die anytime I wanted to secure a kill.

Riot, you've just removed yet another champion from my roster I will likely never play again. Good job.

NightAdderOct 16, 20145 votes

Just because you don't like a champion doesn't mean they should remove it. He's actually awesome just some minor tweets needed

Atlas The BirdOct 16, 20141 votes

Just because you don't like a champion doesn't mean they should remove it. He's actually awesome just some minor tweets needed

Minor tweets, hehe.

@SionRework : Didn't really hate anything about the rework itself, I just found it annoying how the same day there were suddenly a billion Sion Junglers. Teambuilder took forever.

Arch Mage MagnusOct 16, 20142 votes

Just because you don't like a champion doesn't mean they should remove it. He's actually awesome just some minor tweets needed

Thats why I am bringing this to light, so Riot can look at this and make the tweaks necessary. I am not saying he is complete garbage, but Riot needs to see what the community doesn't like about him and act accordingly.

101100111000Oct 16, 20142 votes

I can only complain about the E not scaling off of bonus AD, but besides that, I like him. Haven't lost a game on live with him yet.

DryditchOct 16, 20142 votes

Just give me back my goddamn Ult and we'll call your butchering of my favorite champion even.

Lore is perfect. W is awesome. E isn't horrid, but why couldn't Q have just been turned into a skill shot? Your issue was that it was targeted. Fine. Maybe Sion's new E stuns on hit, and he gets something fun back for his E. But seriously, what's with this trash Ult that doesn't even address his prowess in battle? The new Ult is the charge to Jarvan. The Ult is the slaughter of his guards. That's sion. Not this tunnel visioned chump of a champ.

UPfreelyOct 16, 20142 votes

Has horrible base stats - less health than all other bruisers and AD falls off quick.

this is the only one that bothers me, i like the rest of his kit despite his lack of mobility and lots of counterplay

Maximum Ao ShinOct 16, 20142 votes

old sion could kick this sion's ass. sad truth.

LupusNoxOct 16, 20141 votes

His Q should go off at the current amount that he charged if he gets CC'd

His Ult should have a slightly bigger AoE and the AoE should grow if he cancels it. The jump when he cancels it should be higher and longer too

1800ITANKUOct 16, 20141 votes

My thoughts are that his ult shouldn't have tunnel vision, and you should be able to speed boost multiple times when dead.

NightAdderOct 16, 20141 votes

His cast time on Q is horrid. His passive should be immune to slow. Other then that like him alot.

Hojo LodisOct 16, 20141 votes

`` These hate post on the board.

DarkwindOct 16, 20141 votes

if it were possible to have attack speed on him, maybe he could be fun. but as it is, he gets about as much attack speed/lvl as nautilus, sooooooooo you can't actually get decent attack speed on him without investing wayy too heavily into it.

Arch Mage MagnusOct 16, 20141 votes

if it were possible to have attack speed on him, maybe he could be fun. but as it is, he gets about as much attack speed/lvl as nautilus, sooooooooo you can't actually get decent attack speed on him without investing wayy too heavily into it.

You can build a BoTRK on him and still be legit. The active on it helps a lot and has the attack speed and life steal. I've been playing around on his builds as much as possible.

TebrynOct 16, 20141 votes

I like the new sion is not so messed up boring as the old one (point n click what am i playing monky island? o.ô).
I also like that his ult is quite tricky to land and now and then you get some laughs out of it when you tank rans throught the hole enemy group.
I like how his life-stack-ability does more now then just stacking up life and give you a longsword.
I like how you can manipulate the enemies walking bath with his q even if you dont hit it.

oh this is about what i dont like :O oh yeah i dont like how the new base splashart looks way better then the splasharts of his skins grrrrr that realy bugs me out >:(

48983507DEL1Oct 16, 20141 votes

His new kit definitely makes him more viable in the current meta or just the game in general, but his stats are absolutely horrible. They definitely need to buff his base health and improve either his base or scaling stats on his abiliies. They should add a few QoL tweaks to his kit, such as giving him permanent move speed, giving him 7-10% reduction on slows, giving him 20-30% tenacity, and allowing him to move through units when his passive goes off. He should also be able to use summoner spells (maybe he already can, idk) when using his passive. Also, his ult should better reflect his actual hitbox, only make a sound if he is visible, and create a bigger knock-up area if he collides into terrain (it would also be cool if he would get stopped by artificial terrain like Anivia's wall but completely destroy the wall when he hits it.)