Not because she is OP, only because I am so sick of seeing this bitch. If she's on your team, you lose, if she's on the enemy team, you lose.
Whats with people using her when the enemy team has no tanks? Then she bitches and complains about doing no damage? She has no amount of burst that equal to Jinx or Trist, wtf were you expecting? Also why is it when they completely get destroyed bot every Vayne user has the same excuse "Dude I have 300 ping...wtf??"
sp44140 votesAlso, most Vayne players that I meet are arrogant and selfish and assholes.
Not all of them, mind you, I have met a couple who were stand-up acts, but I'd say about 60% were jerkbags.
SlaktarTasken26 votesFoTM champions tend to attract dirtbags, sadly.
BlkGolem4 votesYeah, all those people who say "Skarner has 65% win rate? time to main him! Okay, so you only pick the most played meta champions at any given time? A suddenyl op champ is a reason to abuse the game? I guess.
SlaktarTasken6 votesSo it seems.
But honestly, who can blame them? After all, in the ranked environment, it all comes down to winning. So I've decided screw it, I'm not gonna rage about champs I feel are clearly overtuned and/or oppressive, I'm not even gonna bother writing about them here on boards, as their mains will be super toxic and defend them with tooth, claws and most of the times be outright disrespectful because you refuse to agree with them. Regardless, you always get to wait too long for any meaningful changes, if they even do show up.
So if you can't beat them, join them, hope the league will enjoy another Vayne, Fizz, Yasuo etc etc player, I mean, it's hardly like we see enough of them in our games already. FoTMing has been a thing since forever, it has never been my thing, but I guess he who wants to climb must addapt 4 da freelo! Even the pros do it so I guess there's no shame in it.
BlkGolem2 votesPerhaps, but I myself take more identity in playing diverse champs and filling lanes instead of instalocking the same champ every game. I have comfort picks, but one of those has been Skarner for a long while now, not just when he got changed right now. That's more why I have a problem with it.
SlaktarTasken2 votesI try to stay diverse as well, only being capable of playing a handful of champs and blindpicking a sensitive position like top or mid, with a particual champ just because it's your favorit champ is a good way to get countered and suffer in lane. And I don't like to play lanes that are stacked against me.
Take Tryndamere, whom I play alot, is quite out of meta for obvious reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that you can easely stomp alot of meta picks with him, I thoroughly enjoy when someone picks Yasuo mid or Irelia top, essentially it's a free win for me if I'm allowed to lane against them and given my team doesn't throw or feed too much. Ironically alot of people seem to suffer against said champions, so while meta and overtuned champs might be prevalent they do acutally have counters and counterbuilds, at least most of them.
Something that disturbs me though is that alot of meta picks are so extremely safe you can basicly blind pick them into and against any comp and profit, I'd call Vayne and Tristana prime examples of such picks.
What get's me though is that alot of people here in gold don't seem to have any clue how to read a matchup, I've lost count of how many times I've had a teammate counterpick themselves when picking in champion select against someone who blind picked a sensitive pos and it always tears me up when they insist on doing so because I know for a fact that they will feed, they never fail to do so, it gets even worse when they start flaming the jungler and killing team morale, after a certain point I'll just mute them and play for the kdr since victory is out of reach anyway.
As for Skarner, is your issue that he always is banned nowadays?
BlkGolem1 votesNo, I actually am not playing him because he has been so popular, and right now he is already not getting banned or played much, so I'll probably pick him up more soon.
SlaktarTasken1 votesI'll assume you're either higher elo than me or that he's lost popularity in the U.S, here on EUW, he still get's consistently banned.
BlkGolem1 votesIdk about higher elo but yeah at least for me he isn't getting picked much, although I haven't been playing a whole ton, the other jugs and general meta/op picks are seeing more bans and picks in my games. Not to say he isn't good; he was my freelo before they buffed him now and all they did was move things around in his kit, the big stuff was only stat boosts, meaning that he did the same thing as always, just faster and with fewer items. He still gets to that point, but as a juggernaut actually should, mid-late game. Now he feels a lot more balanced, which is good.
Biffolo1 votesOne often overlooked advantage of changing your champ pool based on the most broken champs is it can make you a more flexible player overall. If you have ended up playing most champions enough to pick them in ranked consistently, at least a few of them you will wind up being able to fall back on if you absolutely have to. Also, it means you can never get bored of playing the same champ forever.
Gorgannan1 votesI'd rather get good at a decent champ than have to learn every broken champ to exploit them for 2 weeks.
3TWarrior2 votesunfortunately "decent" champs seem more at risk nowadays than the overpowered champs
every new champ follows the 2 week testing phase to make certain that they need a nerf
meanwhile, the champs that people don't complain about are nerfed based upon statistics unseen
Gorgannan1 votesYeah well if you've played 300 games as a decent pick like Rumble, you should be able to beat his hardest of counters.
Kögâ1 votesAlso reworks.
TheScholarlyDude1 votesThe point in which Jax is considered a troll pick was when I realized that I lost respect for GD.
Kögâ2 votesJust played a game where my team was 0/12 before laning ended. Vayne got really fed. We were never more than 1/2 of their kills. Everyone on my team was trolling. (Because we gave up). We ended up spamming ults to kill minions and even the enemy team was trolling a little, fed Diana diving 5 of us, dance parties etc.
But vayne tho. The BM was unreal, she literally tried as hard as she could from start till end. Me my jungle spamming laugh in base? Triple kill. No dance party. Just her fighting for the highest K/D ratio she could. The game FINALLY ended at 40ish mins, and while everyone else was trading "gg's" she wrote
You guessed it
"Get rekt kids."
BeatzBoyFTW20 votesTell me about it. Had a recent match with a Gold 5 Vayne:
And believe me. I was Support Soraka, and I spent every ounce of my HP to heal her ass off. In the end, she said she's "Done" & then ragequits the game.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1942497804/208257366?tab=overview
What's funnier is that in her profile, it says she has a "Mastery 3 Vayne", even though her playstyle is almost as bad as a Bronze 5.
SlaktarTasken6 votesWell, Vayne is the Queen of FoTM atm, so sadly, there will be alot of sh*tty Vayne players out there, in a way that kind of makes me happy, because decent Vaynes are borderline impossible to stop.
Yfrappefort16 votes"If champion X is on your team, he feed horribly. If champion X is on the enemy team, he go legendary."
I call that the 
syndrome.
CasterGilgamesh8 votesi ban 
for that same reason
OyddAWqJ5r5 votesI do too, games are alot more pleasant that way.
Oh and it's nice to actually get to kill the ADC when you manage to get to the ADC.
Raiiji1 votesAnd its nice to actually kill the tank when you get last whisper, oh wait
IcyPepper1 votesLast Whisper doesn't automatically negate all armor, it just makes them easier to kill...
Tanks are hard to kill, that's the point.
Raiiji1 votesIndeed thats the point of tanks, but why is it that there tanks with high damage?
Whats the point of being called a "tank" if you're going to alot of damage while still taking little to no damage
IcyPepper1 votesTanks have enough damage to be a threat, but I believe don't have great scalings. And some tanks have decent dps, but lack in the cc department (Volibear for instance, in comparison to a cc tank like Nautilus).
If tanks dealt no damage whatsoever, nobody would focus them. They won't 100-0 a squishy like an assassin could, but they generally punish lack of positioning. If you are the adc, there should be an ally (preferably your tank) between you and the enemy tank. You're going to deal assloads of damage, but on most adc's it's not burst so it takes a couple seconds to ramp up.
Reaper Soraka3 votesMy bans were Jinx Graves Lucian for a while, a couple patches ago. I also like banning Thresh Blitz Janna. Gotta spice up that bot lane every once in a while!
Totalis2 votesif you were banning Lucian after 4.21 I'm seriously worrying about you
Abyssphere1 votesif you were banning Lucian after 4.21 I'm seriously worrying about you
Well like he said it was to make the lane more interesting. Lucian might not be OP but he's still very popular. That said I can't imagine why you'd ban him or Graves while leaving Vayne open unless you felt like playing her yourself. She's in double the games he is.
Scane3 votesBan her up.
VDc0zCqe0w3 votes[{quoted}](name=Arch Mage Magnus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RA5irl7,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-09-07T05:16:34.622+0000)
Not because she is OP, only because I am so sick of seeing this bitch.
do you mean Thresh?
Kite5122 votesThis entire thread is just filled with negativity bias.
Faded Lich1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lil Snapdragon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RA5irl7,comment-id=0011,timestamp=2015-09-07T21:14:21.965+0000)
This entire thread is just filled with negativity bias.
QFT
Mody bird1 votes[{quoted}](name=Arch Mage Magnus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RA5irl7,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-09-07T05:16:34.622+0000)
Not because she is OP, only because I am so sick of seeing this bitch. If she's on your team, you lose, if she's on the enemy team, you lose.
SO TRUE. when she is on my team she sucks, other team she melts us. i don't get it
BlackSunNocturne1 votesYou know what's worse than a Vayne ADC?
Jungle with 
/
Complete cheese, and iirc, one of the quickest way to get reported because it's just blatantly more broken than Devourer normally is.
Seriously, the times I've seen a Vayne go jungle and get devourer, both teams seem to report them.
chipi991 votesWhy reports?
The Loveless1 votesTakes too long to ramp up and she has no impact early game. Completely shafts her laners of decent ganks.
Don't do it either way.
BlackSunNocturne1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Loveless,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2RA5irl7,comment-id=00100001,timestamp=2015-09-08T06:20:17.492+0000)
Takes too long to ramp up and she has no impact early game. Completely shafts her laners of decent ganks.
Don't do it either way.
True, but my issue is this:
with a 22 minute and 
.
GGWP
Seriously, I lost to a jungle Vayne who's entire team was AD, and I was the jungle tank (I forget who) with a ridiculous amount of armor and health.
Iirc, my build was: 
with 9/21/0 and scaling Armor seals.
She proceeds to 3-shot me, the full-tank with a build that's designed to make her useless. All because of Sated Devourer.
Anidan3 votesNobody else yet?
Okay.
No she didn't.
Tails Doll1 votesHe probably died in like 6 hits or something. Still really low if you ask me.
General Esdeath 1 votesMost of them see Gosu and say "I bet I can do that!" without realizing some of Gosu's greatest plays are made because the enemy knows he's great with Vayne and doubts themselves.
Chuck Charles1 votesthe 300 ping is normal. you pick vayne and your ping instantly spikes to 300 and thats why you are not playing well while also suffering from something called "gosu syndrome" where you feel to need to outplay 1 v 3 to 1 v 5 depending on your severity of gosu syndrome.
Maicon1 votesIts such a stereotype but some point it makes sense. reason we pick vayne is that Vayne is a great ADC for current Meta. These days, no one plays champ that has long ranged like kait. Sivir, ez, corki, kog'maw. and it is such a great environment for vayne to farm. But the thing is that such a low tier like platinum and below, they don't even know how to play vayne and tumbles front without thinking, thats why you feel like you are gonna have brain cancer lol. But really, it is a good idea for you to ban vayne for your team sake.
Duchess of Deer1 votesif you look on their profile they just picked up vayne, die hard vayne main here ever since season 3 never had someone say I was toxic. tbh i get most toxic as support because I see shitty adc's
Nielarken1 votesI shit you not a vayen told me the reason she lost lane was because she didnt get first blood and only an assist. So he was basicly telling me that he lost lane because he had to buy 
+
instead of a 
. So if I get a vayen adc on my team I just dodge now I cant stand supporting vayen players.
The Loveless1 votesThey swear they're Batman or something
TheDevice1 votesI really cant upvote more?
Fucking hell i wish i could upvote this shit into the stratosphere.
Red Ryu1 votesAre Vayne players on par with Riven players for being toxic?
That said, I do ban her or Kalista when I am captain.
chide da jungler1 votesI ban her too. Variety is more important to me than champ balance when it comes to fun.
HgBTEfjD6B1 votesI mean, to the people saying shes broken beyond compare, play a poke lane and poke the shit out of her and call for ganks, the moment a bad vayne player dies, "Well ya see i coulda 1v3'd but my ping is spiking" proceeds to tumble into morg q's, all im saying is kill her early, not one vayne player can come back from 5 kills down and 30 farm at 15 minutes, ive mained vayne since s2 shes my favorite champion and people think "Well i just went 15/0 im good at vayne," No, youre not bad vayne players credit themselves way to much, "see i did all the damage but my support is trash and couldnt cc him enough for me to get the kill" and then when you bitch at your support a little like this "thresh i honestly didnt need you, you just got that kill because i 1v5d and you took it"
Rockaltar1 votesPeople Are Retarded or atleast the people who main vayne or riven GGWP
