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What should Morgana be when Reworked?

PhantomGG··3 votes·2,368 views

Morgana rework, it's a long ways away, probably won't even happen until 2018. But Riot has hinted that when the kayle rework happens, Morganas will be near or at the same time. So the other day I made a topic about Kayle, and it got some interesting answers. So now I'm Curious what the community has to say about Morgana.

Link To the Kayle thread if anyone is interested- https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/ZEt1z8nQ-what-should-kayle-be-when-reworked

So before we get into it, what is Morgana?

Morgana is an angel who gave up her angelic privileges in favor of studying "dark magic" so in essence she is a witch who got thrown out by her people, and found her way into Noxus. Very basic theme, but this is a story that has a lot of room to grow. But what about her toolkit? Does she fit the "dark witch" theme? Well I would say yes, yes she does. But does she follow her second theme? The theme of a fallen angel? To which I would say no, not at all, if it wasn't for her wings, you would completely forget she was a fallen angel. Here is why.

So her Q is a ball of energy that cages her enemies, and her R is a summoning of chains which also traps her enemies. This really sits well with the whole "dark witch" theme she has, she finds people, and imprisons them with dark magic. But what about her W and E. Tormented Soil her W I believe was meant to kinda go into her whole "fallen" theme, she turns the soil into something corrupted. But even that could be used by a witch, and fit the witch theme. Than lastly her spell shield. One could think this is a corrupted version of kayles ultimate. But once again if you didn't read the lore, you wouldn't even consider that and just assume it was a witch summoning a shield to protect her.

TO PUT IT SIMPLE Morgana seems a lot more like a witch than she does a fallen angel. So ...

How would we update Morgana to fit her theme better, and how would we update it to the exciting standards of newer champions?

My thoughts? Give her some flying abilities, in her trailer we see her flying and throwing balls of corrupted energy at kayle. While Kayle has no flying abilities, her character avatar is at least flying. Morgana is just walking around while holding her dress..sorta like a classy WITCH. So yeah I think move her away from the support role and devote more to her fallen angel theme to be a mid laner.

The communities thoughts?

13 Comments

Sukishoo4 votes

Riot already said that she'd stay the same with very minimal changes. Mostly her passive and E would get work is what they said.

Majki2 votes

Speaking of Morgana being a fallen angel, I would love to see enemies standing on her W while rooted by Q to sink below ground level and be buried. xo Morgana item 3690

P.S. When can we get champ abilities icons on this forum..?

Mordepool1 votes

A Mobility disruptor

Erockandroll1 votes

Not sure what she is right now. (so no idea/preference on what they do in particular)

Mainly, my concern with her now, is just that her kit doesn't have a good position to fill. If feels like she's suppose to be a mid laner, yet I recall Riot gutting her wave clear because it was completely uninteractive and fire and forget. (understandably) And while their is some merit to her as a pick support, it feels like half her kit is being underutilized in the support role, because it relys on scaling.

I would probably want to see a new passive. More so if they want her to be a disruptor support.

Ben SwoIo1 votes

I wish they would leave her alone, i like her the way she is. Not OP, not weak. Very effective for me as a support and sometimes mid laner.

LightIsMyPath1 votes

A rioter told me she was staying almost the same when asked about the rework. I would like however if they could balance her around mid-lane again. Thematically I am real afraid they will screw up morg lore to be a generalist dark character ,right now if you read up all existants part of their lore the question is legit: Is really morgana the"bad" one.. Or is it Kayle? I like this multiple sides of a champion personality thing, I feel like that most of renewed lore removed that

Oleandervine1 votes

{quoted}

A rioter told me she was staying almost the same when asked about the rework. I would like however if they could balance her around mid-lane again. Thematically I am real afraid they will screw up morg lore to be a generalist dark character ,right now if you read up all existants part of their lore the question is legit: Is really morgana the"bad" one.. Or is it Kayle? I like this multiple sides of a champion personality thing, I feel like that most of renewed lore removed that

Morgana's kit though needs a lot of work done to it. It's pretty boring, and her ult just feels incredibly out of place on it for me, especially since she's not typically trying to get in close to people. Her only maneuver is to spam Q and E on people, and hope W triggers TLD on enemies. Her kit is dull, and I would like to see them spruce it up a bit to make it less point and shoot.

Regarding her thematic as given by the OP, she is a fallen angel, yes. She's lost her wings in whatever conflict she had with her sister, and that is why she is incapable of flight, and also why she relies so heavily on her dark arts to do what she needs. Making her capable of flight wouldn't actually fit her thematic, it would actually change it entirely. She doesn't need anything to be further classified as an "angel" because she's the remnants of an angel, using witchcraft and dark magic where Kayle uses holy light and divine wrath. I don't really see anything that particularly deems someone as an angel aside from wings and ties to divinity, which Morgana has.

LightIsMyPath1 votes

I kind of disagree about her kit. Surely she is not the most exciting champion in the game but she's not completely binary and boring either (at least to me), mostly because of black shield which always add utility even if you are behind. And I like the fact that its high cool down makes it a spell you have to think about using and not a "oh damage incoming let's press E " like many other shields in the game.

Her ulti is a little too reliant on zhonya (but so are kennen's or fiddle's ) but I adore it thematically .. I wouldn't mind if they changed the mechanics behind it from "walk in the middle of them press r press 3" to something more challenging and interesting to pull off but I really hope the result is the same: Chain an entire team.

Her q is fine as it is and is her most iconic ability.. I only hope they fix the hitbox (i think it could award the prize for most bugged spell in the game xD).

Her w is the most likely to go since it's not that interesting or fun, but it's even a key ability: Given the rest of her kit stays more or less the same this is the ability that decides if she can or not solo lane, because it HAS to be a waveclear ability if she is to be played in mid.

As I said I really really hope they don't turn her into a support only mage. (zyra brand and malz are more then enough :c)

Now to the thematic: I think you misinterpreted me or I expressed myself pretty badly. I am scared about the written part of her lore not her appearance. Atm morgana is a fallen angel who dedicated herself to dark arts.. And she did so to contrast her sister tyranny (maybe based on justice and good ideals but still a tyranny) and I like the dualism of this story and the fact that it makes us reflects. Is going against a tyrant right, even if said tyrant is doing good for his people? Is using "evil ways" (dark magic) always wrong or it can be justified by the goal? I would be really disappointed if they removed the grey around her character to turn her 100% black. Plus on the thematic: I find extremely ironic that, given her lore is about fighting tyranny and wanting freedom, her way to fight people is to chain them (and even moreironic that these are black magic powers, like morgana's vision of evil is to be chained so when she asks for evil powers to fight.. She gets chains!) . This is the main reason I love her current ultimate

PhantomGG1 votes

{quoted}

I kind of disagree about her kit. Surely she is not the most exciting champion in the game but she's not completely binary and boring either (at least to me), mostly because of black shield which always add utility even if you are behind. And I like the fact that its high cool down makes it a spell you have to think about using and not a "oh damage incoming let's press E " like many other shields in the game.

Her ulti is a little too reliant on zhonya (but so are kennen's or fiddle's ) but I adore it thematically .. I wouldn't mind if they changed the mechanics behind it from "walk in the middle of them press r press 3" to something more challenging and interesting to pull off but I really hope the result is the same: Chain an entire team.

Her q is fine as it is and is her most iconic ability.. I only hope they fix the hitbox (i think it could award the prize for most bugged spell in the game xD).

Her w is the most likely to go since it's not that interesting or fun, but it's even a key ability: Given the rest of her kit stays more or less the same this is the ability that decides if she can or not solo lane, because it HAS to be a waveclear ability if she is to be played in mid.

As I said I really really hope they don't turn her into a support only mage. (zyra brand and malz are more then enough :c)

Now to the thematic: I think you misinterpreted me or I expressed myself pretty badly. I am scared about the written part of her lore not her appearance. Atm morgana is a fallen angel who dedicated herself to dark arts.. And she did so to contrast her sister tyranny (maybe based on justice and good ideals but still a tyranny) and I like the dualism of this story and the fact that it makes us reflects. Is going against a tyrant right, even if said tyrant is doing good for his people? Is using "evil ways" (dark magic) always wrong or it can be justified by the goal? I would be really disappointed if they removed the grey around her character to turn her 100% black. Plus on the thematic: I find extremely ironic that, given her lore is about fighting tyranny and wanting freedom, her way to fight people is to chain them (and even moreironic that these are black magic powers, like morgana's vision of evil is to be chained so when she asks for evil powers to fight.. She gets chains!) . This is the main reason I love her current ultimate

I love her lore and abilities, but what I feel the problem is with her kit, is that she really does seem more like a witch than a angel. if it wasn't for her wings you would forget she even was a angel.

Oleandervine1 votes

{quoted}

I kind of disagree about her kit. Surely she is not the most exciting champion in the game but she's not completely binary and boring either (at least to me), mostly because of black shield which always add utility even if you are behind. And I like the fact that its high cool down makes it a spell you have to think about using and not a "oh damage incoming let's press E " like many other shields in the game.

Her ulti is a little too reliant on zhonya (but so are kennen's or fiddle's ) but I adore it thematically .. I wouldn't mind if they changed the mechanics behind it from "walk in the middle of them press r press 3" to something more challenging and interesting to pull off but I really hope the result is the same: Chain an entire team.

Her q is fine as it is and is her most iconic ability.. I only hope they fix the hitbox (i think it could award the prize for most bugged spell in the game xD).

Her w is the most likely to go since it's not that interesting or fun, but it's even a key ability: Given the rest of her kit stays more or less the same this is the ability that decides if she can or not solo lane, because it HAS to be a waveclear ability if she is to be played in mid.

As I said I really really hope they don't turn her into a support only mage. (zyra brand and malz are more then enough :c)

Now to the thematic: I think you misinterpreted me or I expressed myself pretty badly. I am scared about the written part of her lore not her appearance. Atm morgana is a fallen angel who dedicated herself to dark arts.. And she did so to contrast her sister tyranny (maybe based on justice and good ideals but still a tyranny) and I like the dualism of this story and the fact that it makes us reflects. Is going against a tyrant right, even if said tyrant is doing good for his people? Is using "evil ways" (dark magic) always wrong or it can be justified by the goal? I would be really disappointed if they removed the grey around her character to turn her 100% black. Plus on the thematic: I find extremely ironic that, given her lore is about fighting tyranny and wanting freedom, her way to fight people is to chain them (and even moreironic that these are black magic powers, like morgana's vision of evil is to be chained so when she asks for evil powers to fight.. She gets chains!) . This is the main reason I love her current ultimate

I actually feel like of her entire kit, Q is likely the only part to remain, though definitely with some tweaks to the duration of her root, which can get pretty ridiculous.

W, you've noted, no need to expand on why that needs to go. However, Black Shield is another thing that needs some really heavy handling, if not parts of it removed entirely. There is currently no other basic ability in the game that can completely prevent CC for such an absurd duration, and for one basic skill, it feels super shitty to play against it and have every edge you have in combat completely stripped away because Morgana pressed E. The duration or the CC prevention needs some heavy modification, because it's possibly one of the most frustrating shields to contend with, especially since it's also a pretty massive magic shield, even without enhancements to it. Black Shield is pretty big "fuck you all" to a big portion of the game, and I would frankly like to see a lot of it's power gutted and shifted to other parts of her kit. I discussed her R earlier, and my complaints about her lack of durability and her need to be in extreme proximity. I don't need to expand on this, except that I feel like this is something that would also get completely replaced and turned into something actually unique, instead of a Karma/LB tether x2.

LightIsMyPath1 votes

If they lower dark binding and black shield duration in exchange for a heavier damage W (whatever it gets turned into) I'm all for it since it would shift her balance more towards mid lane again. About her R I don't mind a mechanic change but it still has to involve chain theme for me. Let's hope they do a good work, I hope they won't end up breaking one of the most balanced champions

Friendly Ram1 votes

from what I've gathered it's going to be more of a VU with small gameplay changes.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

most of the differences between morgana and kayle are done on purpose and symbolic.

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