Umm riot? What about rek'sai?

SwiftKitten88·Apr 15, 2017·8 votes·3,667 views

was supposed to be turned into a bruiser again... Yet i see nothing on that.... i used to LOVE rek'sai. i loved her kit.

but now she is just boring as fuck to play, her cooldowns are WAY too high now.. she is designed to be an AUtO attacking but the only way to build her is a a freaking knockup-bot. her "tremor sense" is now even worse than her sight above ground, she has horrible scaling.. is 100% item reliant...

you run in... flash unburrow and and just sit there doing autos with zero damage while the enemy team ignores you because your absolutely no threat. the ONLY damage u get is from cinderhulk and procs.

PLEASE fix her!!!

13 Comments

RiotRiot SotereApr 15, 201711 votes

We're still in progress on her. Shouldn't be too much longer but we shifted focus to make sure midseason got out the door. :)

SwiftKitten88Apr 15, 20173 votes

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We're still in progress on her. Shouldn't be too much longer but we shifted focus to make sure midseason got out the door. :)

omg... TY for a response!!!

i am also curious about buffs to Nidalee ... i hear you had a few more of those slated a few patches back but then i didn't hear anything since

obviously it would be stupid to do them RIGHT BEFORE (or even slightly after to fix balance tweaks) a update to the entire class of her hardest counters because you would just have to do it AGAIN, which is why (i assume) you have put it off to do the tank update. but i assume after all the tanks and midseason is said and done, we can see her get some love. (assuming she doesn't need immediate buffs after the tank update)

WinTheWarOnPantsApr 15, 20171 votes

How likely are you to remove her tremor sense all together? As far as i can tell, while it's an awesome mechanic(both game-play and thematically) LCS will always abuse this mechanic as long as the champ using it is even the least bit viable. Also, in somewhat the same vein, do you think a champ would every be simply "banned" from lcs? As in, completely removed from the lcs client? IMO this would be a better option than gutting a champ into unviability just because .00000000000000001% of the players can abuse them. RekSai being the best example of this.

rework trundleApr 15, 20171 votes

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How likely are you to remove her tremor sense all together? As far as i can tell, while it's an awesome mechanic(both game-play and thematically) LCS will always abuse this mechanic as long as the champ using it is even the least bit viable. Also, in somewhat the same vein, do you think a champ would every be simply "banned" from lcs? As in, completely removed from the lcs client? IMO this would be a better option than gutting a champ into unviability just because .00000000000000001% of the players can abuse them. being the best example of this.

As far as I know, Riot doesn't remove the core ability of a champion. Like with Darius R, Garen R, Skarner R (ok pretty much everyone's R, but Rek is different, okay!?)

WinTheWarOnPantsApr 15, 20171 votes

"core" is pretty vague, but they have removed quite a few abilities that were certainly iconic to a champ like Fiora old ult Galio old ult Poppy old ult Soraka old Q, etc. If an ability simply doesn't work in the game, then it's not worth keeping it for the sake of whats "core" on them at the time(not saying her tremor sense does or doesn't work in lol i'm just asking the question). Although it makes a ton of sense thematically, it's really not a good enough justification to keep it in her kit if it means she has to remain in her current state or even nerfed again if she climbs back up to viability again. Lets also not for get that she isn't the only champ that her tremor sense(in one form or another) should be on if we wanted more thematically accurate gameplay LeeSin Lissandra

RiotRiot SotereApr 17, 20172 votes

It's not on the table for this update. Doubt it would be, ever. While it presents some problems, Tremor Sense is just an amazing ability. Think we could focus on making it more exciting or more accessible but doubt we would outright remove it.

Should note, there're no big changes planned for Tremor Senses in this update.

As for champs banned in LCS: never heard any indication we would do this. I could definitely understand the argument for it.

WinTheWarOnPantsApr 17, 20171 votes

Thanks for the reply. If tremor sense is not even on the table for being removed, then what are the factors that you take into account when deciding which abilities should be removed when working on champs kits? For instance Poppy old ult was singled out well before her rework as being a toxic ability that needed to be removed. I'm sure some of it has to do with a kit/champs theme like with the Sejuani rework this seemed to be a high priority, but i'm more curious about how riot decides which abilities are too toxic/broken to remain in the game(or at least on a certain champ).

RiotRiot SotereApr 17, 20172 votes

I wasn't personally involved in the decision for Poppy, but my understanding is that it violated some of our design principles. In particular, counterplay of it was not at acceptable levels. That shouldn't be too surprising, if you recall playing against it. Moreover, we wanted to shift her focus from a super aggressive dive champion to more of a mid-line tank.

Tremor sense gives Rek'Sai some strategic uniqueness, and comes with a set of drawbacks. The thing I like least about it is how different the impact is at regular levels of play versus pro play. But that's an acceptable cost for how well it is integrated with her character and the other benefits it brings.

WinTheWarOnPantsApr 17, 20172 votes

I really hope you guys can make it work. I really like playing her(my second favorite jg after Evelynn ), it's really hard to have any fun playing her now because of how incredibly weak she is(even if you really like the champ, getting stomped all the time isn't very fun lol). Have ya'll ever thought about introducing similar functionality to other champs(she's not the only blind champ after all LeeSin Lissandra ) to sort of relieve pressure from her? essentially the opposite of the class reworks XD

KoboldApr 17, 20171 votes

I have a Question for you and the Update team. regarding counterplay I have to wonder what the thoughts are on a few other champions abilities. Using what I can infer from your comment regarding poppy's old ultimate, there are a few other abilities that also violate this but are not really being looked at. to name one that has a counterplay to poppy's old ult is the current syndra ult, the counterplay on hers is higher in that she has to at least Q once or twice but it essentially follows the same amount of counterplay as poppy's old ult past that as your only option is something like barrier for her ult much like for poppy's it was running away (assuming 1v1). poppy's ult also was great in team fights as well which did make it significantly stronger in that regard.