"Unfixable" Akali got balanced faster than the reworks you guys suck off

Moody P·Apr 22, 2019·8 votes·1,672 views

Meanwhile Gallo and Urgot going on 1-2 years still catching heavy ability changes and still being complete dumpster mode or the #1 pick of their lane depending on how riot is feeling that patch. Akali got one passover and now she's completely balanced. A starting win rate that actually makes sense for a high skill curve, clearly rewards player investment without being overbearing at the high end of play. CT knocked the design out of the park, and the balance team perfected his work.

It's time to admit you were wrong. Akali is an excellent design.

26 Comments

haaaaaaalpApr 22, 20195 votes

25% banrate 46% winrate. "Good design"

Moody PApr 22, 20194 votes

Yes, a high skill curve champion that doesn't scale has a low win rate. her win% for mains is very high; we shouldn't take the average including all the randoms who play her 5 times and int when we discuss a champion with a high mechanical floor.

haaaaaaalpApr 22, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kdLIcJE1,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-04-22T05:43:30.007+0000)

Yes, a high skill curve champion that doesn't scale has a low win rate. her win% for mains is very high; we shouldn't take the average including all the randoms who play her 5 times and int when we discuss a champion with a high mechanical floor.

Tons of champions have high skill curves and don't ever see 25% banrate even with 50+% winrates. Akali is one of the few champions who is so badly designed that players will ban her even when she has a 46-47% winrate because they don't want her in the game.

D357R0Y3RApr 22, 20194 votes

https://lolalytics.com/fra/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Akali/

47.5% win rate 24% ban rate

47.5% win rate on a high skillchamp is good

and by the way stats have nothing to do with a design

rek'sai has 20% ban rate atm

and morever current akali is infinitly better than old akali, has delays, has skillshots, what's the fucking problem then?

Vlada CutApr 22, 20191 votes

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https://lolalytics.com/fra/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Akali/

47.5% win rate 24% ban rate

47.5% win rate on a high skillchamp is good

and by the way stats have nothing to do with a design

rek'sai has 20% ban rate atm

and morever current akali is infinitly better than old akali, has delays, has skillshots, what's the fucking problem then?

Her Q spam at lvl 1 and rank 1 E's point and click recast and her R1 letting her position freely preventing you to escale and R2 bejng too good both in a 1v1 and teamfights.

D357R0Y3RApr 22, 20191 votes

Q spam, but it costs 100 energy at lvl 1

rank 1 E's point and click recast what? It's conditionned by hitting a skillshot just like lee sin Q how is it new?

her R1 letting her position freely

a lot of champions have ground targeted mobility, it shouldn't be an issue if you gave a champion an already existing mechanic

Vlada CutApr 22, 20191 votes

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Q spam, but it costs 100 energy at lvl 1

rank 1 E's point and click recast what? It's conditionned by hitting a skillshot just like lee sin Q how is it new?

a lot of champions have ground targeted mobility, it shouldn't be an issue if you gave a champion an already existing mechanic

I'm not saying her R1 is annoying as a standalone spell. It's annoying because when she hits it her R2 ie guaranteed to hit.

VolatileAkaliApr 22, 20191 votes

She doesn't even play like an Akali. I have never seen any Akali one shot as fast as other assassins at all. She simply can't. Her late game falls so hard simply, because her laning is powerful. I'd prefer my laning power to get toned down hard for good burst and decent late game.

D357R0Y3RApr 22, 20193 votes

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I have never seen any Akali one shot as fast as other assassins at all.

And that's good, I think assassins should become like her where they take a long time to kill, but have tools to survive in teamfights to do their job

but that's just my opinion

VolatileAkaliApr 22, 20192 votes

Her team fighting is dog shit. If 8.24b nerfs never happened I would actually say her team fighting would be good enough. But after 8.24b nerfs and heal removal. Her team fighting is dog shit. Katarina can AoE one shot people in quick successions with her resets and dagger placements. Talon can one shot the ADC so quick that it pretty much is BS to play against.

Akali shouldn't get dog shit treatment, because she was reworked. If people want that one "assassin" that can't burst as fast and doesn't actually play like an assassin. Then let Riot do a new champion with their own new player base. We shouldn't get shit treatment as an existing player base.

Anime FizzApr 22, 20194 votes

Akali is still a mess tbh.

You cannot lane vs her as melee (seriously not only she slows you with her Q at range but she gains like 500 ms at lvl 1 and 300 range to use her passive which has no cooldown btw) but at the same time she falls off harder than season 2 pantheon, so her laning phase top is kept in "check" by that.

Her kit plays nothing like an assassin and shes basically a bruiser with massive mobility and sustained damage, yet at the same time she has no real assassin like burst combo (unless shes like 20-0, but even a 20-0 ap janna can burst ppl down), like every other assassin has.

Her kit honestly needs to go back to the drawing board.

Moody PApr 22, 20194 votes

A good chunk of Akalis worst matchups in top are melee champions.

Power curves are not an issue; assassins are supposed to fall off. Akali does it much more gracefully than other assassins as well.

Akali is the best assassin design in the game and the rest of the class should immediately be dumpstered pending reworks to be brought to her standard.

VolatileAkaliApr 22, 20191 votes

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A good chunk of Akalis worst matchups in top are melee champions.

Power curves are not an issue; assassins are supposed to fall off. Akali does it much more gracefully than other assassins as well.

Akali is the best assassin design in the game and the rest of the class should immediately be dumpstered pending reworks to be brought to her standard.

No, her ranged match ups in top and mid are her worst.

She falls off def harder than most assassins. Her burst is way longer, base stats are shit and you can pass AA's and Abilities through her shroud since she can't cancel it.

I prefer Riot not to ruin more communities by gutting their champions. I hate Juggs simply because they are hard to deal with if they are slightly fed, but you never saw me saying gut them?

Moody PApr 22, 20191 votes

juggernauts are already the most dog shit class in the game so there's not really a reason to make them weaker

VolatileAkaliApr 22, 20191 votes

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juggernauts are already the most dog shit class in the game so there's not really a reason to make them weaker

AD assassins are extremely reliant on dusk, so any change to it, changes the champion heavily. AP assassins don't actually have a true assassin item beside GB, so they leach from mages item which might not be the most efficient purchase. Akali is dog shit, unbalanced and is unhealthy. I played her way more than you, watched guides or read them. VoDs of pro players and high elo players. She is only somewhat good or amazing if your macro play is way better than average.

She is broken high tier since they are good at the game and Akali is a champion where if you don't make any mistakes, you auto-win your lane. Pro play is an example of why Akali is OP too. High skill cap and floor, they don't make any mistakes therefore she is complete broken tier before and still is good while begin trash soloQ unless your master+.

As I said a million times. She needs a mini rework to fix her issues as an assassin, bring her heal back in a healthy item and make her more mid viable than her top.

VolatileAkaliApr 22, 20192 votes

She is definitely not balanced nor healthy. What are you on about?

imortaloneApr 22, 20192 votes

akali needs a buff shes weaker then she was... she needs some more lifesteal she cant solo garen and often losses hard vs yas etc.

Vlada CutApr 22, 20191 votes

Urgot's broken. Galio should stay gutted until given another change. Akali was confirmed to be reverted. Aatrox getting the love he needs. Volibear is being reworked into an actual champ. Mordekaiser is on the way. Udyr is being reworked into an actual chsmpion. Now we need Pantheon and the era of pizza feet will be over.

SaevumApr 22, 20191 votes

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Urgot's broken. Galio should stay gutted until given another change. Akali was confirmed to be reverted. Aatrox getting the love he needs. Volibear is being reworked into an actual champ. Mordekaiser is on the way. Udyr is being reworked into an actual chsmpion. Now we need Pantheon and the era of pizza feet will be over.

Shyvana item 3070

KFCeytronApr 22, 20191 votes

They "perfected" the kit by deleting large parts of it. CT produced a terrible design, and the balance team kneecapped it like they did with Ryze et al.

D357R0Y3RApr 22, 20192 votes

they deleted two features

Meanwhile Azir had unbreakable wall removed, soldier nuke on towers removed, knock up on E removed, CDR-->attack speed removed

epic

Moody PApr 22, 20192 votes

kneecapped champions don't appear in pro play and high elo

removing 2 things is not a "large amount"

thefatlazycatApr 22, 20191 votes

I'd say the main problem is that league's worst developer was the one who was given too much leighway on the rework, the only CT design that wasn't a mess was Warwick and that's because there was somebody their to hold his hand

SithesisLordApr 22, 20191 votes

Akali got one passover

After being slightly nerfed multiple times and having bits and pieces of her kit removed.

But let's conveniently leave out that detail to fit a narrative.

D357R0Y3RApr 22, 20192 votes

new akali is like one of the least nerfed champion in the game

wanna know how much champions got nerfed MUCH more? Do you know that Galio had twice more nerfs and yet called a good rework and a good design by the boards? Or how much nerfs Sion yet called good design?

SithesisLordApr 22, 20191 votes

Good reworks and good designs aren't tied only to how little a champion has been nerfed.

If that was the case, Warwick would be the only actually good rework, as he was nerfed ONCE.

Twice, if you count the Q dealing double damage bugfix.

Good reworks are always a combination of several factors.

Galio and Sion are good reworks because their pros massively outweigh their cons.

Akali isn't the case, as her new kit is at best unhealthy (surprise surprise, a CertainlyT champion with an unhealthy kit) and the only positive thing she's got going for her is her splash art.