Is Elise gana get nerfed now? :(

Dreadlocks·Jul 27, 2015·5 votes·618 views

Not only does she feel really strong now, but shes #2 on Champion.gg for junglers http://champion.gg/champion/Elise/Jungle From the buff to her E, change from phys to magic dmg on her spiderlings, and i believe she also had a bug fix with the spiderlings too. Just makes me wonder whats the biggest buff she got? The increased duration on her E stun? Also allowing her to max W 2nd ultimately increasing her early game dmg AND utility. But then I just wonder, just how impactful was the spiderling buff because even before i get a 2nd point into W, my damage feels much higher.

I played quite a bit of Elise before this buff, shes a lot of fun, and even more fun now that shes strong.. How likely is she to get nerfed? :/

16 Comments

RaxistaichoJul 27, 20153 votes

She almost certainly will be. People are bitching non-stop about her.

I just hope they nerf the 1.6 second stun to 1 second and leave it at that. 1.6 IS a bit long for a rank-1 skill.

DreadlocksJul 27, 20151 votes

From what they were talking about in patch 5.14, that's something they thought she strongly needed to improve her early game... I personally think the change from phys to magic damage for her spiderlings and 10%ap to 15% was pretty freaking huge (the increased MS Is nice too, oh and the bug fix for them) I feel like i have a lot more damage now with that change.

RaxistaichoJul 27, 20151 votes

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From what they were talking about in patch 5.14, that's something they thought she strongly needed to improve her early game... I personally think the change from phys to magic damage for her spiderlings and 10%ap to 15% was pretty freaking huge (the increased MS Is nice too, oh and the bug fix for them) I feel like i have a lot more damage now with that change.

Yeah, I feel like the spiderling fix could be enough to make her viable again, no need for the huge stun duration. Now that they're worth a damn she's not forced to max out Q first. This is big because her Q barely gets any stronger per rank. The base damage sucks and the %health damage stays the same at all ranks.

Maxing W first gives her some sweet dps and decent clear speed.

DreadlocksJul 27, 20151 votes

Its interesting that you say this because i see people still maxing Q first @ the masters+ lvl (TheOddOne, c9 Hai, Nightblue3) And even pro builds.net. But when i look at champion.gg Maxing W first has a higher win %... maybe its worth trying lol. Do you have any personal experience doing so?

Skia AsteriJul 27, 20151 votes

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Its interesting that you say this because i see people still maxing Q first @ the masters+ lvl (TheOddOne, c9 Hai, Nightblue3) And even pro builds.net. But when i look at champion.gg Maxing W first has a higher win %... maybe its worth trying lol. Do you have any personal experience doing so?

It did until new samples were factored in, now Q max is most common and highest win rate. It could be that those best with her use that order and skew the stats in the favor of Q max though.

Then again the combined flat damage increase from Q in both forms is higher than human form W, and spider form W gets better the higher her ult rank is and the more AP she has.

DreadlocksJul 27, 20151 votes

I just find Q to be more reliable because its point click, short CD, and fast. The Human W is slow, can explode early (minions) and her spider W relies on sticking.. Not saying its bad but from my view, Q just seems stronger.. I could be wrong though.

EndlessSorcererJul 27, 20151 votes

While the percent health damage stays the same, IIRC the damage cap against monster increases with levels. It's also a targeted ability, so it's more reliable damage when ganking.

It's possible that results in many players maxing Q first.

EndlessSorcererJul 27, 20151 votes

To be fair, some people will complain non-stop about any champion that beats them.

The complaints have to be taken with a grain (or bucket full) of salt.

FrostwomanJul 27, 20152 votes

Yeah it's entirely possible that she might seem some nerfs.

I love how quickly some people forget that she was a top tier jungler forever. It took only a few buffs to put her right back into a broken state.

"Elise is weak!!1 she is worst jg in game!!!"

DreadlocksJul 27, 20152 votes

I just played her top and did the most dmg in the game.. I have a feeling the changes to her spiderlings was a lot more than we give it credit. Not that the 1.6 second stun at 1 point isn't good, but holy shit does she do a lot of damage now.

Skia AsteriJul 27, 20151 votes

If not in the next patch, then the one after as they have nerfs lined up for one of her main competitors Nidalee .

DreadlocksJul 27, 20151 votes

Its just nice to actually play an AP jungler.. I dont like nid jungle that much and evelynn is okay but not someone i enjoy playing every game.

stealthfox94Jul 27, 20151 votes

IDK i just faced one and couldn't believe how much damage she did.

DreadlocksJul 27, 20151 votes

Yeah I was surprised too when i played her after the patch. I was 1v1'ing an udyr at lvl 3 or 4 (i dont remember) and i pretty much blew him up with 1 rotation lol.

Dr PoroJul 27, 20151 votes

She will get nerfed. She's as oppressive as she was in season 2&3 (I mained her back then). However, Riot has a trend to keep these buffed champions OP for a few patches. Sejuani was obviously too strong after cinderhulk came, but it still took over a month before she got nerfed. Expect the same to happen for Elise.

DreadlocksJul 27, 20151 votes

Well to be fair, they tried to nerf Sejuani... it just took a few patches. lol