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Can we do to Sightstone what we did to the jungle items this season?

Ser Garland··48 votes·2,284 views

Sightstone is a boring, linear waste of an item slot... that is unfortunately necessary on supports (Sometimes Lee Sin). Its purpose is vision, but what it also does is gimp supports out of having any fun, simply by existing as a bit of health. Not all supports benefit by building health (Hey Sona) and I feel like a lot of champions who should be viable mage supports, end up being unintentionally gimped because of this item. Sure, you can choose not to build this item, at the risk of your entire team being mad at you. I mean supports already have to deal with less gold and experience accumulation than most of their party. It even takes up an item slot late game for when stats could prove useful.

They should make sightstone into a fun item. Give it multiple build paths into a true end game item like last season's jungle changes. Maybe even work it into the primary support items (Which some people don't even Finnish building first)

There should be a sightstone for mages, for tanks, and for utility.

36 Comments

C9 Scott Free 10 votes

TLDR combine sightstone with the GP items maybe?

Paero4 votes

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TLDR combine sightstone with the GP items maybe?

you sir are on the right track of things

Penns8 votes

Its not a waste of an item slot at all, but some more stats for more diversity on it would be cool.

Professor Ward3 votes

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Its not a waste of an item slot at all, but some more stats for more diversity on it would be cool.

my thoughts exactly and honestly any more of a buff to some of the tank champs i main. Leona/Naut for instance, would be even more oppressive bot lane.

Maybe just specialize the item as you said? 3 different forms. Because when playing sona/other squishy mages, getting hit is getting killed so hp is a non factor.

BeatzBoyFTW8 votes

The fact that no one still buys a simple 250gold trinket upgrade makes me think that any Ruby Sightstone update is nothing but a waste of time.

Tails Doll1 votes

item 3364 much better thanitem 3361

WhiskerWow4 votes

There's two problems. 1.) If we make sightstone strong, other laners will end up using it, invalidating buying wards and making more linear builds. 2.) If the sighstone upgrades are strong, supports will end up being forced to upgrade it earlier, and it will end up stifling up their build even more instead of freeing it up.

So they have to think of a way to make the upgrades 1.) To be unappealing to non-supports. 2.) To be bought late in the game.

High51 votes

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There's two problems. 1.) If we make sightstone strong, other laners will end up using it, invalidating buying wards and making more linear builds. 2.) If the sighstone upgrades are strong, supports will end up being forced to upgrade it earlier, and it will end up stifling up their build even more instead of freeing it up.

So they have to think of a way to make the upgrades 1.) To be unappealing to non-supports. 2.) To be bought late in the game.

This once again assumes that sightstone is a sup only item.

WhiskerWow1 votes

We don't want other laners to have it because it'll make their builds more linear and it will invalidate buying wards. But the upgraded yellow trinket does that pretty well when I think about it.

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

Just have it give abysmal quantities of stats like now, but allow us to pick our damn stat.

Ackelope3 votes

I honestly might even like a sightstone for AD champs too xD. When I'm playing ADC I often put a bunch of money into wards, and although that can be circumvented with upgraded yellow trinket, i like to have blue, and another option or two might be nice.

Catastrop3 votes

Someone actually made a thread about possible buffs to the Sightstone line a while back. It was basically multiple upgrades that offered stats for different support playstyles. Like one that offered AP and Mana Regen and another that gave Armor and a bit of Hp. It was a really cool idea.

Zmuecat2 votes

Would be better to use the support gold gen items and make clairvoyance a support spell that changes based on what item you pick up.

Marthian1 votes

Not really sure what could be added to make more options for clairvoyance that doesn't conflict with it's intended use or where exhaust is still going to be better.

Koldheartedjsp2 votes

last thing i want is a REASON for mages/tops/junglers to take sightstone

do you remember the sightstone meta where there were no less than 4 sightstones in each game?

do you want to go back?

No, you don't.

and as long as SS exists, there is elaborately nothing rito can do to keep supports from having to buy it without drastic changes to the way the games economy works

Zyorhist2 votes

please check out my sightstone concept here and if you want to copy paste parts of it go ahead.

Ryot Nomad2 votes

They need to be careful with sightstone buffs. Giving it too much stats means that laners could start abusing it. They kinda messed up with smite and it took a ton of patches to make jungle items only viable in the jungle.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Not giving it more stats. Giving it stats of choice. An AP version (40 AP?). An AD version (30 AD?) An armor and an Mr version A mana version Stuff like that.

High52 votes

Just because many people don't understand the power of vision and vision denial doesn't mean sightstone needs a buff.

I see people buy sightstone and place less than 10 wards in a match. The item doesn't need a buff. It needs to ve used correctly.

Photos of Ghosts2 votes

It needs to reload like trinkets and be buildable out of other small stat packs.

Evewynn1 votes

I remember when sightstone didn't exist, and support builds were just gp5 items, boots, and slots for wards/oracles...

BuzzinTate1 votes

I like this but only if it's for ruby, let there be an actual reason to upgrade it to ruby and maybe want the affect earlier in the game. THEN you get ore vision and extra bonus's

Ikrit1221 votes

I play a lot of support (pretty much only Leona), and I don't ever upgrade to Ruby Sightstone until I have at least 3 items. The extra ward is nice when you are running around different areas of the map with your team lategame (you ward out bot, then you need to ward up top with your team like 1 min later), or if you are in a "ward war" with the opposing support (or team), and your wards are being killed.

Sightstone is a really good item. Ruby Sightstone...leaves much to be desired. Back when it was designed (Preseason 3), before trinkets, it was designed to replace the "ward slot" that all supports had to have. This was before there was a ward limit (Preseason 4), so supports would just buy wards (even 2 slots worth!), forgoing other items. Supports were stuck with only 3-4 items plus boots. With Sightstone, you could have your "ward slot" and have some stats, as well as still being able to buy more items because you weren't buying 5 wards every time you went back! Just watch this video of CLG.eu vs. WE at around this time: https://youtu.be/bqdv1QX6kNg?t=178 You can see that the supports have 2 full slots of wards 60 min into a game, with only 3 completed items. Hell, the Janna on WE just buys 2 gold-generating items and tier 1 boots. 60 minutes in. It's also just a funny game (so long and boring that people cheered for ward kills. I'm serious, watch it). I'm pretty sure that seeing supports like this made Riot change the rules about wards over time.

Now with the ward limit as well as the trinket slot, supports are supposed to not bear the burden of being ward bots, though they still do oftentimes! Ruby Sightstone really doesn't do much to help supports over Sightstone, except for the 250 HP (that costs 800g!). Besides, you should still technically keep a slot open for pink wards, especially since they can be killed easily if your team steps away from them.

High51 votes

Very specific case. Ali and Naut like more hp. Leona scales off resistances.

Ikrit1221 votes

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Very specific case. Ali and Naut like more hp. Leona scales off resistances.

Just throwing this out there, but out of my entire post, you pick that to reply to?

Also, while she scales off of it, she gets free MR and Armor with her W. Like, lots of it. So stacking armor/MR doesn't do as much for her early game. She still needs plenty of HP like any other tank.

gafratt1 votes

Well we already have item 3303 item 3302 and item 3301, I think that they could be combined with siltstone in some way.

Ikrit1221 votes

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Well we already have item 3303 item 3302 and item 3301, I think that they could be combined with siltstone in some way.

The only issue I see from this is the actives. You would have to forgo the actual items (with their actives, especially big for item 3069 ) if you combined the gold items with Sightstone, and you can't have dual actives on an item in this game (yet?)

BremerdanGorst1 votes

I think it's just one of those things that's supposed to be a tradeoff, since it has such great utility, it doesn't give combat stats or else it would be even more of a "must rush" for supports. I personally like delaying Sightstone on Sona for some early stats.

FantasySniper1 votes

I made a huge thread about this a long time ago. (Definitely somewhat outdated) All I desire now is that we finally get a Sapphire option that gives mana and caters to all the utility supports.

Oh, and I think you meant Soraka.

BakedLotion1 votes

Just upgrade the trinket. It gives a ward every 60 seconds. More than enough if you're not mindlessly spamming them.

Chuck Charles1 votes

I would love to see sighstone offer resistances as well as health even if its not much. like 20 armor. 20 MR. something cheeky. and not even initially. maybe make ruby sightstone have 20 MR and 20 ARMOR or offer some other stats besides flat health. that way its viable take on any champion who wants to control vision while not just being an entire item slot dedicated to just flat health/vision when you can later upgrade trinket and basically get the same thing.

Krfin1 votes

i agree that why should change Sightstone into a better item. Although, since sightstone only allows you to place two wards at once, its extremely inefficient compared to the trinket that has a cap of 3. I completely ignore the sightstone and just buy regular wards until i can upgrade my trinket at level 9. Sightstone is a waste of a slot because i end up placing 3/3 of my wards at all times from my trinket and the max you can do with sightstone is 2/3...

Daxterr1 votes

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i agree that why should change Sightstone into a better item. Although, since sightstone only allows you to place two wards at once, its extremely inefficient compared to the trinket that has a cap of 3. I completely ignore the sightstone and just buy regular wards until i can upgrade my trinket at level 9. Sightstone is a waste of a slot because i end up placing 3/3 of my wards at all times from my trinket and the max you can do with sightstone is 2/3...

sir have you been drinking tonight

Daxterr1 votes

Give sightstone % health true damage

Daxterr1 votes

Okay for real how about this idea. Sight stone upgrades based on what support item you get after you make a certain amount of gold with the support item. For example if you make 400 gold with item 3069 then you get movement speed sightstone. If you make 450 gold with item 3097 you get ruby sightstone. If you make 500 gold with item 3092 you get ap sightstone. This way sightstone will always be better on supports and no lane will ever buy it.

They should also buff item 3092 cause it sucks compared to the other upgraded support items.

The Exile Kaguya1 votes

If I've learned anything from my time in League(note I've never been amazing at League I just play for fun and I don't like ranked, it's not very fun) it's that I don't think people would bother with the SS as a solo lane item if it got a slight buff (I mean look at the good ol' item 3361 sleeper op is what this item is.)

Like a decent possibly would be merging with item 3401 item 3092 or item 3069 and then given some stats based on which you merged it with(think the current ones with more stats I guess, but I don't know what they'd get,) maybe more AP for a item 3092 upgrade, or more HP or maybe even a few armor for item 3401's upgrade, I don't have a single idea for the item 3069 though, sorry; I don't personally think that solo laners would bother with that as in my few thousand league games I've barely ever seen people buy too many wards. I've had countless games where the chat said "it's not my job to ward it's the support's" after the support has 3 greens and a pink on the map and struggling to clear the enemy's wards.

I understand I'm not very high up on the ladder, I get that and I don't think it will ever change, but I watch a decent number of highish level streams (plat+) and I still see a stupid lack of wards, even more rare to see people get item 3361 on their first back after hitting 9(or even before 11 maybe 12), like seriously this item is SS on steroids and it's still not an extremely sought after item, though it's exactly what people see as an issue from solo lanes. They already have a SS but better, though it is on a level before it's obtainable it's not hard to pick up the 2-5 wards you'd need until then to make up for that lack of having it.

TL;DR I don't think it'd be a bad idea to buff SS in any way shape or form, item 3361 exists (and as of 9/11 it had a 15.39% popularity over all ranks; info from lolking) yet nobody ever gets the item even if it's going to cover their warding for the rest of the game and it is STILL better than SS by a lot.

I'm also Silver so just ignore my opinions since I can't have good ideas.

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