Can people stop WANTING Quinn to be bad?

Ser Garland·Jul 6, 2015·99 votes·7,378 views

I just had a game with a Braum Support as Quinn ad, and my supporter literally judged that "my champion was bad" so the lane wasn't worth defending and abandoned me to afk farm the entire game, I got ganked three times, three v one, made it out once. Everyone wonders where I am because I'm trying to split push and make up for all that lost gold.

Seriously, No team would do that to their ADC Vayne: leave her alone all game and then complain why She hasn't grouped up.

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EnvyDragonJul 6, 201560 votes

Quinn has been on the edge of viability since fucking launch, and the only reason she doesn't see play is that Riot refuses to fix her janky-ass autos and Harrier mechanic.

She has burst for days. She has an AoE skillshot blind. She has her crazy birdmode execute. Her teamfight mechanics aren't great (she doesn't have Sivir's utility, Graves' tankiness, or Lucian's raw mobility to make up for her low range) but when played right, the enemy team is forced to group at all times or suffer the consequences.

Unfortunately, the sound-effect for her Harrier-modified autoattack seems to play like 5 frames before the attack actually goes off, making it almost impossible to stutter-step with her. The fact that Harrier needs to MODIFY the autoattack (as opposed to being a consumable mark, for example) is bullshit too, and that's not even getting into the shitty RNG minigame it forces. Last time I saw a Quinn, we almost got a level 1 kill on her because Valor marked one of us out of nowhere, revealing her in the bush.

Quinn isn't underpowered. She is severely gimped by bugs.

Chaotic ReksJul 7, 201521 votes

Skarner : "Quinn has been temporarily disabled by a bug."

Black Star 1299Jul 7, 20154 votes

They just need to fix that autoattack animation. It's really slow, and it makes it really hard to kite. Sometimes the auto attack doesn't proc even after shooting it since she moved right afterwards. It seems like the Harrier modified autoattack animation is a lot more longer than a normal autoattack animation, and even that auto attack animation is slower than most adc's animations. The bugs aren't game breaking, but it definitely affects her ability to shine by a lot.

She doesnt have the teamfight mechanics, but she does have the personal utility to help herself survive throughout a fight (and sometimes the whole team, I mean who doesn't want TARGETED HARD CC)

And like the above, she definitely has her own niche in the marksmen category, and can shine, but is limited by the bugs, which for some reason, still exists.

Mecha MaIphiteJul 6, 201517 votes

I wouldn't mind her being good at all, if she were played as an adc more than in top.

Top lane quinns can suck my thornmail.

Ulquiorra995Jul 8, 20151 votes

This basically. Sometimes primary roles have to suffer because of secondary ones... and I wouldn't wish my worst enemy to play vs Quinn top as a melee champion.

Immortal StrifeJul 6, 201513 votes

Of all the positions in league supports are the most likely to troll. I'm sorry for your pathetic support, you did nothing wrong, and Quinn is perfectly acceptable as an ADC.

Ser GarlandJul 6, 201520 votes

Braum even goes WELL with Quinn! Wtf, I swear it's that dumb "actual champion spotlight" video

IcyPepperJul 6, 201529 votes

>Valor marks enemy >Braum Q's them >Quinn uses AS steroid to proc stun >Quinn uses Q to blind opponent >Braum uses shield to block projectiles >Quinn ults and dashes as Valor >Braum uses W to dash as well, boosting defenses >Braum ults >Valor finishes whatever they're doing, gets some aa's in, ults again

Boom, congratulations that's an example of the synergy those two have together. Now you can win trades and all-ins whenever the hell you feel like it, random people who read this thing.

IRicochet RunnerJul 7, 20151 votes

and then the support Annie who builds AP fucks yall up.

IcyPepperJul 7, 20153 votes

except that has nothing to do with what I posted, which is the synergy Braum and Quinn are capable of.

Rammus Okay.

SquishyArchonJul 8, 20151 votes

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>Valor marks enemy >Braum Q's them >Quinn uses AS steroid to proc stun >Quinn uses Q to blind opponent >Braum uses shield to block projectiles >Quinn ults and dashes as Valor >Braum uses W to dash as well, boosting defenses >Braum ults >Valor finishes whatever they're doing, gets some aa's in, ults again

Boom, congratulations that's an example of the synergy those two have together. Now you can win trades and all-ins whenever the hell you feel like it, random people who read this thing.

Janna presses R

IcyPepperJul 8, 20151 votes

Yes, that is a possible counter, especially to the double ult combo.

Doesn't change their synergy, every bot lane duo should have some form of counterplay.

Rinky DinkyJul 6, 20155 votes

That video was the most accurate representation of Quinn I have seen

Count ZubatJul 6, 20152 votes

No, it's those dumb people that take everything they see in internet too seriously. "Actual Champion Spotlights" are made only for joke purposes, although they tell a lot of truth about a champ ;) Let's be serious, Quinn is little unreliable, but she can be easily considered strong pick. Also, ADC with blind? That's something insane for me.

commit an heroJul 7, 20151 votes

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Braum even goes WELL with Quinn! Wtf, I swear it's that dumb "actual champion spotlight" video

This reason why she is not great is because other ADs are just going to out steroid her. She is literally the go in hope I get a kill and die type champion.

Junsui AoiJul 6, 20159 votes

Quinn is amazing. You have to be a retard to not see that. A good quinn can out-duel almost any ADC.

XonraJul 6, 20154 votes

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Quinn is amazing. You have to be a retard to not see that. A good quinn can out-duel almost any ADC.

That is why she is played so often...except she isn't, because even high tier players (top and adc) think she is terrible. If high elo adcs won't even give her a chance in solo queue, then that doesn't say much for her.

Just because she can catch people off guard and surprise people since no one plays her, doesn't mean she is good. the only time she out duels anyone ever is if the the player doesn't know what Quinn does, otherwise she is actually very easy to out duel by everyone but maybe Caitlyn and Varus since that isn't really what they do as far as straight 1v1 in most cases.

Every other adc pretty much out duels her

Vayne
Sivir
Kalista
Graves

She has no chance against any of those 4, and they are some of the most popular right now in all elos of play.

she may not be the worst, but she is far from great, and can easily be a burden to a team if the opposing adc has any idea what she does and can just punish her all laning phase long.

EvilRabbittJul 6, 20153 votes

A good Quinn*tm. A standard quinn no. But against Vayne/Kalista the Quinn will win. Graves and Sivir are iffy since they are casters.

Ariel the CruelJul 6, 20152 votes

Sivir is more right-clicker than caster. But she can spell shield the blind and has higher move speed with passive. So it's generally a skill match-up.

Hasztalan2Jul 6, 20151 votes

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Quinn is amazing. You have to be a retard to not see that. A good quinn can out-duel almost any ADC.

Quinn is amazing on a non serious normal game where anything can be picked and anything can happen. Other than that she is a troll champion still as her kit is just flat out terrible and has glaring QoL issues.

Junsui AoiJul 7, 20151 votes

Her kit isn't the worst though her ulti is a little odd on an ADC. I've got a buddy who mains quinn and he knows how to work around her QoL issues.

Hasztalan2Jul 8, 20151 votes

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Her kit isn't the worst though her ulti is a little odd on an ADC. I've got a buddy who mains quinn and he knows how to work around her QoL issues.

Her kit is bad . This "i know x who can play around her" ye we ahve challenger garen players as well but that still won't change the fact that some champions will never see competitive light smiply because their kit are bad. And yes Quinn has a bad kit. Half of her kit supports a ranged adc half of ehr kit spports a melee bruiser. It just doesn't work at all.

Salt Miner 49 ErJul 11, 20151 votes

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Her kit is bad . This "i know x who can play around her" ye we ahve challenger garen players as well but that still won't change the fact that some champions will never see competitive light smiply because their kit are bad. And yes Quinn has a bad kit. Half of her kit supports a ranged adc half of ehr kit spports a melee bruiser. It just doesn't work at all.

Quinn is a pretty good example of "Good idea, shit execution".

But given that she was made the way she is more or less so IronStylus can pretend he's well liked by putting conservative Christian levels of armor on everything, I dunno.

Hasztalan2Jul 11, 20151 votes

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Quinn is a pretty good example of "Good idea, shit execution".

But given that she was made the way she is more or less so IronStylus can pretend he's well liked by putting conservative Christian levels of armor on everything, I dunno.

Problem is her kit has so major flavs which are just un-understandable. Like wtf 140 seconds cooldown on her lvl1 ult ??????????????????? It's 2015 dammit.

Also her projectilse speed on Q and E are both slow, specially her E could be a near instant cast or something like that.

BeersteinJul 6, 20156 votes

Quinn is a top laner not bottom IMO.

FowusJul 6, 20152 votes

is quinn a tank

Earl EulrichJul 6, 20152 votes

a ranged bruiser...though only if she snowballs :/

BârdJul 7, 20152 votes

She is a toplane marksman, like Teemo and a small percentage of Vayne players.

Earl EulrichJul 7, 20151 votes

she´s too easy to shut down as a marksman, try getting a raduins/sv or sth. like that in as 3rd item - if youßre already ahead bt/trinity or yomus are enough to keep killing people.

Hyrum GraffJul 7, 20151 votes

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she´s too easy to shut down as a marksman, try getting a raduins/sv or sth. like that in as 3rd item - if youßre already ahead bt/trinity or yomus are enough to keep killing people.

item 3022 is great on her

Amazon Prime RibJul 7, 20151 votes

Lately, my favored build is BORK / brut / cleaver / finish ghostblade / mallet / LW, with furor enchant on shoes. You wind up running around with stupid high move speed when you proc harrier, and you slow people chasing you. You have 3.1k hp, enough to survive the burst that's likely coming to focus you, but enough damage to still 100-0 a squishy target.

Hyrum GraffJul 7, 20151 votes

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Lately, my favored build is BORK / brut / cleaver / finish ghostblade / mallet / LW, with furor enchant on shoes. You wind up running around with stupid high move speed when you proc harrier, and you slow people chasing you. You have 3.1k hp, enough to survive the burst that's likely coming to focus you, but enough damage to still 100-0 a squishy target.

Seems like a good top build. Probably as adc, without ie, not quite enough dps to really fill the role? Or maybe I'm wrong, with all that armor shred and bork.

Amazon Prime RibJul 8, 20151 votes

Don't play Quinn as an ADC.

CasterGilgameshJul 7, 20156 votes

people want quin to be bad since they know that all the other adcs are in trouble if she was good

ClatoVerataNictoJul 6, 20155 votes

I just supported a Quinn. We wrecked face in lane and won the game.

Any champ can do well in the right hands. I'm sorry that people (especially in bronze) are so caught up with trends and opinion that they don't just focus on the game they are playing.

I get worried sometime when I see an unpopular champ in ranked, because I assume that player may be is very experienced with them and people won't know how to deal with it because they haven't seen it in a while.

Unlimited ChillJul 7, 20151 votes

A buddy of mine uses poppy in ranked and always gets fed for that exact reason.

Earl EulrichJul 6, 20154 votes

it´s not only a quinn thing...it happens to many off-meta picks, your team just refuses to even try and play around the pick, rather they just make you fall and then blame the "troll-pcik", even though they could easily have won the game if they would have just wanted the pick to succeed.

ApexInTheCircleJul 6, 20153 votes

My friend plays a lot of Quinn and he's had similar experiences with a support velkoz who started taking his farm because "I'll be more useful late game than you"

so now he takes Quinn top and I'll be damned if she doesn't do work up there.

XonraJul 6, 20152 votes

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My friend plays a lot of Quinn and he's had similar experiences with a support velkoz who started taking his farm because "I'll be more useful late game than you"

so now he takes Quinn top and I'll be damned if she doesn't do work up there.

She works a million times better top than she does adc. Her kit and range work so much better as a top, or even a roaming top.

Fred FuchsJul 7, 20153 votes

I think shes a terrible adc (coming from a plat, 5 year bot lane main) due to many reasons. Really low range, an ult made for diving and clean up, poor spacing with her e, etc... BUT i play her mid assassin all the time, and i think shes great at it. she has amazing trade potential, she counters alot of assassins mid, her burst is pretty insane, and her ability to roam is almost unmatched with her movement speed in her ult. shes also great at avoiding ganks and makes vision battles mid lane and river way easier with her w. still i think she could stand to improve.

ways to improve: Her power during he ult is actually a bit hindered by the fact that she cant use her passive in it as well as the fact that her passive can be really unreliable with the target it chooses. i feel if she could use her passive in her ult as well as have valor mark the last clicked enemy and increase her passives range she could be way better. Her auto range could stand to improve as well but not by to much, and maybe fiddle with her e a bit.

overall i think shes a way better mid laner than she is an adc, but unfortunately people forgot about her so quickly that she isnt even being played at all. and we all know how most people are. dont want to try things that might not work so they instead wait for others to do it for them

tl;rd Quinn can mid way better than adc

CindikleJul 7, 20153 votes

As a Quinn fan myself. I have to say she's at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to ADC's.

As an ADC her best part of the game is early game. Her level 2 is powerful.

But that's about it. And her early game is only good IF you can play aggressively. Her poke and range is not that great. She needs to land her Q and E's.

In this lane you faced an Alistar. You using your E is asking for him to combo you. if he does it right you will be CC'ed right in front of your enemy and Bruam will have to leap to you to save you. Putting both of you in danger.

You also faced a Graves. An ADC who likes to use his abilities to kill you as much as his basic attacks. He doesn't have to care about your blind. He can also be tanky. Which is a hard thing for early aggressive champions to deal with.

So you probably didn't do well early game. You were countered, or countered yourself by picking Quinn after them.

Quinn is a champion who is very reliant on her basic attacks. Her abilities base damages and scaling are not very impressive. This means she is very item dependent. She has to use her strong early game get ahead and stay ahead. if she does not do this she will be weak in the mid game. And she's always weak late game unless she's super fed.

Has to have a strong early game. This has to be done by playing aggressively. This is hard to do in a duo lane where someone else can take advantage of her weaknesses.
If early game does not go well she will do poorly for the rest of the game 99% of the time. ADC's cannot be dead weight. Graves is an early game ADC and will still out scale past laning phase. Only thing you have over him is a blind and mobility on your ult.
Her abilities as an ADC are weak. Her E puts her in harms way. Her R is a clean up/escape tool. Not something you look to your ADC for unless it's Jinx. Generally she'll face champions who kill with abilities more than AA's so her Q isn't impressive either. W is nice utility and a great steroid, but isn't reliable at all. You can't 100% control her passive and using E is risky.

It's not about Quinn being bad. It's about knowing when to use her. She is very situational and requires getting ahead to work. This is hardest to do in a duo lane. On top of her other drawbacks as an ADC. You ultimately picked a bad lane on top of being counterpicked

A lot of this wouldn't be so bad if her bugs didn't exist and weren't so common. But her kit as a whole even without bugs is bad for an ADC.

Clapper of AssesJul 7, 20153 votes

I main support and there is only two thing i hate about Quinn.

Her passive is random, I know i'm in low elo, but when i'm doing a trade and her bird picks a minion im like "omg this birb..". This doesn't bother me that much anymore because people have somehow manage to control it.
The second part is WHY CAN'T HER BIRD FORM HIT THE NEXUS????? You dont know how many times i had a quinn try to backdoor in Valor and just stand there like derp.

Although these issues may bother me i still will support a Quinn cause i know its not there fault, and if it's a good Quinn and you manage to feed her a early kill or just preventing her from being behind in lane, she has a great impact like any other adc.

Iron IV dudeJul 7, 20153 votes

Even Riot thinks that she sucks...

Her design is just broken. Valor is just weak, melee as adc? Kinda insta death. Execute dmg? Kinda ok, but because its AOE its super weak. Even base dmg from graves ult deals more dmg without the need to look for the execute dmg. (Comparison: Graves: 250 / 400 / 550 (+150%AD) (without explosion) and Quinn: 100 - 200/ 150-300 / 200-400 +(50%-100%Ad)

An adc needs to do dps over time, staying safe and survive, her kit just does the opposite. Her best steroid is her ult, but she cannot use her ult because she would die in a blink. Her passive is to random to count on it and the base stats are too weak.

She kinda excels as lane bully on the toplane and is a good duelist, but as soon as laning phase is over, she just falls into an endless pit. She cannot go offtank, because after the aoeblind (which is good for autoattacker, like caitlyn and yi, but bat for ad-caster and mages) she just offers nothing a normal off-tank can't do better

She kinda is designed as a ranged assassin, with similar problems to talon, just even worse. She can get in, but she wont be able to get out anymore, as she needs her ult to deal some dmg boost. Riot once release a test on the pbe, where they lowered the cd on the ult by a ton, so she can get into the fight and out of the fight. But kinda never thought about her again.

tl;dr It is not to just offend any Quinn players, but her kit counters herself. The passive can't be controlled well enough and the aoe execute is too weak.

Arch Mage MagnusJul 7, 20153 votes

Just played a game with a Quinn. Turret dived Draven, gave him first blood then raged and disconnected from our ranked game. I think Quinns are just bigger douchebags than Vaynes.

Demonsolder21Jul 7, 20152 votes

Just delete quinn from the game.

Ser GarlandJul 6, 20152 votes

I feel like everyone wants her to be bad so that they buff her. Then Those complainers snicker behind their devilish Grins, and abuse her top lane so that she gets nerfed yet again.

injournJul 6, 20152 votes

Everyone except for the people here and many other people who aren't here.

MysticFlameHazeJul 6, 20152 votes

Quinn is my favourite adc, and honestly i really do wish that people would see her strengths and not judge her as a horrible champ as well. When played right i believe she is the strongest dueling adc and lucian is probably the only one that could give her a hard time because the Q is very crucial to her kit, otherwise i never have any trouble 1v1ing as her and i love her abilities. If Riot can figure out some kind of improvement for her I'd be happy to see it.

Quinn is best