Why not give Warmog's ARMOR some armor? While reducing its HP a bit.

Dreadlocks·Jul 31, 2016·6 votes·1,203 views

Even if its only like 20 armor... keep the items niche "hp regen" but i feel like even after the CDR buff to it, its still outclassed.

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ValyrianBladeAug 1, 20165 votes

I'd rather just see more health on Warmogs, or even a different stat (e.g. movement speed).

It doesn't need armor. We have lots of HP+Armor items. Sunfire, Deadmans, Randuins, Ohmwrecker. Why make another of the same?

DreadlocksAug 1, 20161 votes

Cuz we we don't rly have a viable hp armor and cdr item :/???

RalanrAug 1, 20163 votes

We don't need one with all 3.

OleandervineJul 31, 20164 votes

Because it's not meant to have armor. It's an HP reward, and if it can't give a substantial amount of HP, it makes it all that much harder to activate it.

DreadlocksJul 31, 20163 votes

An HP reward that is subpar to other hp items..

The Last BalladJul 31, 20164 votes

Because being able to retreat and regain your ENTIRE HEALTH BAR is supar to 50 armor? What.

DreadlocksAug 1, 20161 votes

Yeah and guess what the fountain does that too.

The Last BalladAug 4, 20161 votes

Not ARAM's that's for sure.

And since when is recalling halfway to 90% of the way across the map more efficient than waiting a few seconds out of the line of fire? What about if you are pressuring a tower or being a presence to keep a tower from being taken? Is it better then to back to the fountain?

DreadlocksAug 6, 20161 votes

Lifesteal?

Immortal FenixAug 7, 20161 votes

Requires you to HIT SOMETHING. Something that isn't a tower.

DreadlocksAug 7, 20161 votes

And guess what path minions follow?

The Last BalladSep 5, 20161 votes

Yes, because a full tank Garen Blitzcrank Amumu DrMundo Heimerdinger JarvanIV , etc, are going to do enough damage per aa that they can gain enough health to fill their 3000-6000 healthbar in a reasonable amount of time? At that point they are not "tank" they are "unkillable fortress of doom that will rip your body and soul to shreds while never being able to die", and that seems unfair.

Irelia BotJul 31, 20162 votes

Health is like armor against AD and AP though.

DreadlocksJul 31, 20163 votes

Still outclassed my friend.

The Last BalladJul 31, 20164 votes

With an argument like that? Well, let's just say you are not doing your crusade any favors.

xShiNjiNxAug 1, 20162 votes

Just like many other niche items in league, it'll probably get removed because of how niche it is.. At the very least they should make poke comps strong again so it actually has more reason to be bought.

Critmaster GarenAug 1, 20162 votes

if any item needs changes its thornmail.

warmogs was supposed to be the "i need a lot of health" item. please just stop with removing more and more health from it. it used to grant 1350 health at some point.

just stop removing health from items in general. compared to the start of the season, tanks and fighters have like 300 to 400 health less on their items. its really getting stupid.

if item 3083 really needs a buff then put more health back on it to solidify its nieche.

DreadlocksAug 1, 20161 votes

I thought insane hp regeneration was it's niche

zlumpyAug 1, 20161 votes

Also historiclly the biggest HP item outside Leviathan before that was removed.

DreadlocksAug 1, 20161 votes

Yeah, but it's health is too low to be bought vs hard engage which is generally where health is good. Now u can buy steraks instead for more ehp

zlumpyAug 1, 20161 votes

I still buy the Warmog on most supports just because I enjoy the healing I get if I manage to survive a bad fight. Warmogs plus SV works great against those late game mages that blow up 80% of your hp bar bit cant quite finish you.

Critmaster GarenAug 1, 20161 votes

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I thought insane hp regeneration was it's niche

yes, and no.

out of combat regeneration. while its useful, it usually only means you heal up enough after a fight to keep on pushing down an objective. just like an adc who buys lifesteal and heals up on minions after a fight.

% health regeneration is also only useful if you have actual health to back it up.

DreadlocksAug 1, 20161 votes

And what's ur point..? U need 3k hp to get the increased regen... sounds like enuf to back it up to me.

The Yetii RiderAug 1, 20161 votes

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if any item needs changes its thornmail.

warmogs was supposed to be the "i need a lot of health" item. please just stop with removing more and more health from it. it used to grant 1350 health at some point.

just stop removing health from items in general. compared to the start of the season, tanks and fighters have like 300 to 400 health less on their items. its really getting stupid.

if really needs a buff then put more health back on it to solidify its nieche.

Yeah, and in exchange they get 300 slotless health on Strength of Ages. So tanks are unaffected but bruisers and assassins building tank aren't as tanky as before. It's a good balance.

Critmaster GarenAug 1, 20162 votes

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Yeah, and in exchange they get 300 slotless health on Strength of Ages. So tanks are unaffected but bruisers and assassins building tank aren't as tanky as before. It's a good balance.

strength of the ages gave 300 health at the start of the season. and its a shit mastery for laners.

The Yetii RiderAug 1, 20161 votes

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strength of the ages gave 300 health at the start of the season. and its a shit mastery for laners.

Tanks are shitty laners.

Tanks who actually lane - Malphite Maokai Poppy Sion Shen

Tanks who do not lane - Amumu Elise Gragas JarvanIV Nunu Rammus RekSai Sejuani Skarner Udyr Warwick Zac

Champions who are not tanks and should not be as tanky as tanks while building tanky (thus the Cinderhulk dependence and Strength of Ages is not available to them) - Chogath Darius DrMundo Ekko Fizz Akali Garen Gnar Hecarim Illaoi Irelia Nasus Olaf Renekton Shyvana Singed Trundle Volibear Yorick

I'm glad that Riot has recognized that tanks are essentially forced into the jungle and rewards them by making them straight up tankier than bruisers and juggernauts in top lane.

Critmaster GarenAug 1, 20162 votes

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Tanks are shitty laners.

it doesnt even matter. everyone has a keystone. fervor is at least twice as strong as strength of the ages. and the mastery has existed since the beginning of the season.

its a fuckton less health on items.

The Yetii RiderAug 1, 20161 votes

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it doesnt even matter. its a fuckton less health on items.

Good, again, bruisers need to be squishier than tanks. So tanks just get more health from their masteries and items than bruisers do.

Critmaster GarenAug 1, 20162 votes

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Good, again, bruisers need to be squishier than tanks. So tanks just get more health from their masteries and items than bruisers do.

yea, the problem is bruisers and tanks buy the same defensive items.

only that actual tanks buy more of of them. so the health loss is even more noticable on tanks than bruisers.

plus, its not universally true. juggernauts need to be as tanky as tanks for example.

The Yetii RiderAug 1, 20161 votes

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yea, the problem is bruisers and tanks buy the same defensive items.

only that actual tanks buy more of of them. so the health loss is even more noticable on tanks than bruisers.

plus, its not universally true. juggernauts need to be as tanky as tanks for example.

No, they don't. Juggernauts help their team out by dealing a large amount of damage over a very short period of time, so even if they die faster they've still contributed more. If they are as tanky as tanks it becomes significantly harder to kite them for long enough to kill them.

And as for tanks and health, Spirit Visage actually gained health this season. Randuin's Omen has as much health as it ever has had, and Zz'rot Portal is a fantastic tank item BECAUSE it has no health on it.

The items that have lost health this season are Banshee Veil (Spirit Visage has always been better) and Warmog's Armor (not a popular item on either tanks or bruisers).

Critmaster GarenAug 1, 20162 votes

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No, they don't. Juggernauts help their team out by dealing a large amount of damage over a very short period of time, so even if they die faster they've still contributed more.

i think this is a misconception.

first of all juggernauts contribute with sustained damage. not burst.

second, theyre not contributing more than tanks. tanks just contribute with cc, engage and peel. which is by no means less valuable than the damage juggs provide.

apart from that, spirit visage lost a load of mr. banshees lost a laod of health. veteran scars got nerfed by 120 health.

RalanrAug 4, 20161 votes

I'm still annoyed by the veil nerf.

CubíxAug 1, 20162 votes

Get rid of the CDR and give it both armor and magic resist, I feel like warmogs is supposed to be equivalent the deathcap or bloodthirster where most champs in that role should buy it. Even if it was like 800hp and 15-20 Armor/MR.

CaítlynJul 31, 20161 votes

Because theres already plenty of items that do that?

LuggJul 31, 20161 votes

If you need more armor, then just get item 3742

VesarixxJul 31, 20161 votes

Warmogs has sort of been the go to "I need a ton of health" item for a while now, be kind of weird to change it now

DreadlocksAug 1, 20161 votes

That's what steraks is for... u actually get more EHP than warmogs

VesarixxAug 1, 20161 votes

champions with health scalings still get more out of warmogs, and the shield from steraks only procs from burst, vs poke it's better to have warmogs

Edit: also steraks shields for 30% of your max health, so getting both increases the shield amount

DreadlocksAug 1, 20161 votes

at which point u have no resistances to actually make it hold up.

The Last BalladAug 4, 20161 votes

What champ goes for item 3083 and item 3053 and nothing else? Or even starts off getting those two? If you are getting these two, you are probably going tank and therefor Mr and Ar would be mandatory.

DreadlocksAug 6, 20161 votes

Give me an example build then? Cuz to me buying both seems like a waste on MOST champs.. only 1 i can see both being good is volibear.

Anyone else and its taking up too much space.

Imagine Olaf, Reksai, or Shyvana as examples:

item 1401 item 3083 item 3053 item 3047 item 3742 item 3065

Not enough resistances... The item 3083 would be better replaced by a item 3026 or item 3075 item 3143 etc.. I like the idea, but quite frankly its just not that strong to build both.

The Last BalladSep 5, 20161 votes

The person was saying that if you are against burst Ahri Annie Anivia then item 3053 would be better. If you were against poke Karma Karthus Ezreal then item 3083 would be better. Personally, a tank like TahmKench could use those well.

RogueWillAug 1, 20161 votes

Right now the only use of Warmhogs is if you have item 1409 because the %HP synergy makes it worth

PhDs NutsAug 1, 20161 votes

Terrible idea. That would actually be a huge nerf to Warmogs, and would force people that barely crest 3k HP with two items to buy another HP item to activate the passive.

SelegunAug 1, 20161 votes

When you find out what a Warmog is it will make far more sense why it doesn't have armor.

DingleNutsMcGeeAug 4, 20161 votes

Cuz then it would be like every other armor item. 500hp 50 armor. Deadman's, Randuins, Sunfire are all the same thing with a different passive.

DreadlocksAug 6, 20161 votes

Randuins has 60 armor buddy=]

redfeenixAug 7, 20161 votes

More hp please!! Warmogs should just give you 1k go again . Atmogs still my favourite meta golem build ;D to date

DreadlocksAug 7, 20161 votes

I'd be fine with that.. It needs to compete with Steraks in some way to remain a good HP buy.. Regen alone isn't appealing given how "hard engage" is the best team comp rn with some wave clear. Poke is non existent.