The dmg from quins q auto attack combo

Woook3r·Mar 4, 2016·2 votes·574 views

Scales for ~400% of ad if she crits you and gives her 40% bonus attack speed. Why are ppl saying adc's are broken when its just quin and graves??

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VorazunMar 4, 20163 votes

Because it's her burst combo. Which, combined with her map-roam is basically all she brings to the team. If you're playing against her in lane, just soak exp and let her push, then call for ganks. She's really vulnerable then. It is, yes, a bit painful to play against, and yes, it's also annoying, but it's not broken since you can also dodge the Q itself. I would hardly call her broken.

Woook3rMar 4, 20161 votes

I think anything that becomes a fad in lcs and higher elo is broken. Especially if it simultaneously works in lower elo. This feels like a fad. I guess that means I just assume its broken.

Critmaster GarenMar 4, 20161 votes

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I think anything that becomes a fad in lcs and higher elo is broken. Especially if it simultaneously works in lower elo. This feels like a fad. I guess that means I just assume its broken.

broken in general, some of their items. essence reavers concept is just stupid. giving adc access to a caster stat without sacrificing an item slot for attack damage multipliers. there is no tradeoff in this. the old essence reaver was a dedicated caster item. it granted ad, cdr and mana sustain. so caster adc like varus had an option to buy spell amplifiers insetad of auto attack damage. you know. like every other champion in the game.

what they SHOULD have done is to design more items like the old essence reaver so caster adc had options to invest more into cdr INSTEAD of crit and attack speed.

the new essence reaver just gives them unlimited mana and almost cdr cap basically for free into a standart crit/attack speed focused carry build.

mercurial and the new phantom dancers are also an issue. phantom dancers is one of the strongest adc items in the game, granting very strong kiting potential with up to 12% movement speed increase, and the highest combnation of crit and attack speed. why did they also add 12% damage reduction, the best defensive stat in the game next to auto attack range? adc are supposed to be squishy. they have almost everything else. range, cc, utility, mobility. being squishy is the onyl weakness they have left.

mercurial makes carries with already strong self peel far to safe and thornmail entirely useless. the new cheaper last whisper makes the pure armor items terrible. you can make half of the armor value of a frozen heart usleless before the guy even half finishes the item. there is not much counter left against these champions except specific picks like rammus or malphite.

and then there is the problem that the amount of stackable lifesteal right now is just hideous.

champions that are broken in specific. jinx, vayne, graves.

hypercarry lategame adc that are minimal reliant on their team. twitch and kog maw have similar lategame carry potential, but the main difference and their drawback for that power is that theyre sitting ducks in return, and need a heavy peel comp to be able to work.

jinx, and vayne can just as well take over the game, when it goes on long enough while having incredible 1v1 potential and have far too much self peel for the raw power they have. where is the drawback of picking these champions for their higher than average ability to carry? its sure as hell not a weak lane phase. especially in case of jinx who can just play safe.

the only reason these 2 arent dominating right now, is because of the shorter game times and the early game forcus, and the early game adc that are overpowered because of essence reaver. see lucian, corki, mf. while graves is a different problem. they made him into a ranged bruiser. wtf.

and they keep buffing the shit out of ashe, even though she already had a decent winrate before this patch.

Woook3rMar 4, 20161 votes

You have some points. Some. However, adc not broken in general and dont make me laugh. This is the first real negative opinion I have heard about jinx. Ever. Ppl like her.

You might be out on a limb there. At least jinx is never confidently roaming solo across the map like quin, afraid of fuck-all and nothing. Wrecking your towers while she duels any 2 ppl or just escapes with birdform and yomu's.

Vayne is probably broken. Ill give you that. She just isnt winning a shit ton of games rn. Graves is broken because his jungle clear, burst, range, tankyness, reload mechanic has ~0 negative impact on his gameplay if you pace him. He is constantly dishing out dmg. He should be slowed while reloading of something.

Essence reaver and the adc rework was a half disguised attempt at making lucian overpowered, imo. Free 5% cdr on a mastery that increases the limit, and 30% cdr on one ad crit item. WTF? Dance Dance Lucian Re-revolution was the code name for this rework. Clearly.

Its so stupid. All the mage cdr items make them sacrifice ap. Dont have to do that with Essence reaver. It gives 30 cdr more than any mage item, crit, mana sustain, and 65 ad. Still hasnt been nerfed. I have no idea what the fuck thats about.

Im amazed you didnt bring lucian up. They even have a snowball item named after his ultimate that synergizes perfectly with his passive. Its called the cull. Put it on him. Its decent.

Then they just pulled some silly shit like special delivery and kog w to cover up the overpowered state of lucian. Its absurd. Still not addressed.

Gonna disagree w you about last whisper changes. Probably the best thing out of the rework other than rapid fire cannon and the auto attack frame buff to draven XD

Critmaster GarenMar 4, 20161 votes

{quoted} This is the first real negative opinion I have heard about jinx. Ever. Ppl like her.

you must not have been long on the forums, because she has been broken since her release and people repeatedly pointed it out. shes the irelia of adc. she has everything in her kit to adjust to any situation.

including - yes, mobility. her passive grants her a ghost like movement speed boost as soon as she scores some random assist off one of her rockets. and as soon as that happens she starts snowballing through a teamfight while being nigh impossible to chase down.

i was saying for a long time, that her passive should never trigger off champion kill assists and always off direct kills only.

my problem with her is that a lategame jinx has the carry potential of twitch and kog maw in teamfights, while having much more self peel available. she isnt reliable on heavy peel teamcomps to carry like them, because she has much more tools available to chase and kite.

Im amazed you didnt bring lucian up.

i actually did bring him up. second to last paragraph, i mentioned that hes op mainly because of essence reaver, and that the item is broken.

and you can disagree all you want, but a 1300 gold last whisper means it seriously nerfed pure armor items, and left defensive itemization only to armor/health items.

if you see your opponent build a 2800 gold frozen heart, you can already negate 30% of the power spike it would grant by buying last whisper before he finished the item.

by buying items like frozen heart or thornmail youre overspecializing. not to mention thornmails heavy nerf with its rework makes the item mainly only useful for its high armor value, which is now mute.

SachabotMar 4, 20162 votes

Harrier does "15 - 100 (based on level) (+ 16% - 50% (based on level) AD) bonus physical damage."

Q does "PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 20 / 45 / 70 / 95 / 120 (+ 80 / 90 / 100 / 110 / 120% AD) (+ 50% AP)"

Her bonus is only 40% once capped.

I mean, if you're gonna call numbers, you're gonna have to do the math.

Woook3rMar 4, 20161 votes

a crit auto attack does 200% dmg. The bonus from her passive means it would do 250% ad. Her q does 120% ad.

250% + 120%= 370% That's almost 400% ad and there is some base dmg calculated in there. I called numbers because I did the math. I was talking about her q auto attack combo (if it crits). If she has 300 ad. That's 1200 dmg, plus 210 from base dmg, from an ability that provides cc and one auto attack. Quin from my last game had more than 300 ad.

She also gets some attack speed from the q aa combo so another auto is coming right behind it.

Critmaster GarenMar 4, 20161 votes

because its not just uinn and graves, and adc are boken.

Woook3rMar 4, 20161 votes

ok then critmaster. Which adc's are broken? U think all of them? Fundamentally broken?