After 7 long seasons we finally did it

Ahristocats·Jan 7, 2017·35 votes·3,282 views

https://i.gyazo.com/19b5d253b40505be6ac3d261ccd64aeb.jpg marksmen are no longer mandatory (though still in 80% of games)

62 Comments

Best princess EUJan 7, 201724 votes

"wtf azir bot xd"

Best Kog NAJan 7, 201712 votes

As much as I like playing koggy. I hope riot doesn't buff marksmen / nerf any other champs going bot in place of em. I like this change tbh...

doublelift fgJan 7, 20177 votes

Twitch even if other champs are going bot i'll never stop playing him

Best Kog NAJan 7, 20171 votes

That's the same with my Kog'Maw. No matter the Meta I'm going to play him. And maybe if Marksmen get nerfed koggy's direct counters will also therfore become less strong. Allowing me to be able to do better with Kog'Maw bot lane.

AdriqnoheeJan 8, 20171 votes

Kog Ap is a good pick against Ziggs, you match his wave clear and your poke is much better too.

Best Kog NAJan 8, 20173 votes

The only problem is he's super fucking squishy

AdriqnoheeJan 8, 20171 votes

He is tankier than Kog AD tough.

Best Kog NAJan 8, 20171 votes

Ya, just the problem is kog'maw has 0 self-peel. No dashes or anything of that sort. The closest he has is his E and that doesn't really help if you get caught out.

AdriqnoheeJan 8, 20171 votes

Are you trying to convince me not to play Kog or something like that?

Best Kog NAJan 8, 20171 votes

I'm just saying Kog'Maw isn't in a good spot right now.

Kitty ClarissaJan 9, 2017

I agree with all the harass out in the game, i love kogmaw myself and i play him when i get aDc/mid AP kog is nerfed pretty hard, still playable but not as strong to where i have to change build. kogmaw would be decent since Janna is the right support for him with item 3190 item 3107 being overpowered ftm . Other then that kogmaw is just not good right now with any other non peel supports

XonraJan 8, 20171 votes

I personally like seeing people play Ziggs so I can just counter into him bot with the same stuff I would mid, and giggle (despite my team yelling at me for not picking AD, yet bitches can't say a single good word as that Ziggs is 0/7 <_<).

GULAG 4 UJan 7, 20178 votes

*5 seasons

s5 mordekaiser bot respek pls

TeCoolMageJan 8, 20171 votes

Aatrox bot lane??

GULAG 4 UJan 8, 20171 votes

I've played it with a soraka in a normal game and we stomped ass lol

RexSaurJan 8, 20177 votes

Thats because adcs are trash tier atm, they have never been so bad in the whole history of the game.

And this is not fine.

TheIronRevenantJan 8, 20175 votes

Caitlyn Yeah cause caits SUPER weak rn, and even if they really were weak, some champs have been weak way longer the 1 or 2 patches

RexSaurJan 8, 20175 votes

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Yeah cause caits SUPER weak rn, and even if they really were weak, some champs have been weak way longer the 1 or 2 patches

Cait, twitch and vayne are ptetty much the only adcs that can still have game impact, and even cait is outclassed by bot ziggs in pushing and sieging power.

The problem is every other adc feels like complete shit to play, how you do want to pick something like jinx, and be lvl 4 while the lee is lvl 6 and tower dives you like a joke.

Teridax68Jan 8, 20174 votes

While it's true that many marksmen aren't in a great spot, and need some buffs, the fact that marksmen as a class can suffer so heavily and still retain presence in most games is concerning. I don't want to wait for another meta in which the entire marksman class is weak, just to see the occasional non-marksman replacing them, and while marksmen deserve to be strong at the right things, they shouldn't be essential to every team when that happens.

On top of this, while I'm glad that we're getting AP carries bot lane now, I think there's also a high risk that Ziggs's viability there is heavily dependent upon his ability to kill towers too quickly: if we use that as a model, then we'll just break every other AP carry, and that'll potentially make things worse in the long run. We need to move towards a League where mages and fighters (and maybe assassins) can go bot, and not just marksmen, but we also need to make sure all of those classes go there for the right reasons, and not just because they out-cheese each other depending on the time of year.

agbudarJan 8, 20173 votes

yes it is.

just because its completely ingrained into league that an adc is MANDATORY for 6 long years. does not mean its fine for them to always be that way.

tbh the real problem is infinity being simply too good of an item damage amplification wise. if the damage multiplier would be removed give it like 100 ad instead and all adc get rebalanced around the fact that crits will always do 200% damage (except for a few champions) the game would actually be really balanaced.

TwinkieProJan 8, 20177 votes

Azir Jayce both technically count as marksmen.

Sahn UzalJan 7, 20175 votes

Enjoy it while it lasts.

The EcdysiastJan 8, 20174 votes

So when the enemy doesn't have a marksman, you don't need one either.

That's kinda like saying you don't need a Vi when the enemy doesn't have Shyvanna.

AhristocatsJan 8, 20171 votes

you make a point there

WeatheredJan 7, 20173 votes

Use the i.gyazo.com link under the share button so that the image appears in the thread and not as a link.

AhristocatsJan 7, 20172 votes

Baron PerenoldeJan 8, 20172 votes

It's beautiful...

EndlessSorcererJan 9, 20172 votes

Incoming ADC buffs.

It was nice while it lasted.

zrWQMdGHtYJan 7, 20171 votes

I hope they finally remove that class... A 3/10 MF with 100 CS killingm e in 3 basics, just because her item gives her a bazillion crit rate... Meanwhile she just dodged my ult/knives becaue she had flash... The life of fed Katarina vs anoying ADCs... Back in the days she countered them... not the other way around. ANd do not start telling me how bad I am... Any proper ADC can just dodge and hit 2-3 hits and kill a Katarina, just because it's an ADC...

Best Kog NAJan 7, 201713 votes

See while I like the current meta where non marksmen can go bot. I have to say something against this. Wanting to have a whole class deleted isn't the solution to the "Marksmen meta" we've been in.

D357R0Y3RJan 7, 201712 votes

just ignore this dude, he's trolling no way to be serious like that

true melee players don't want adc to be removed, just want melee vs ranged to be balanced

zrWQMdGHtYJan 7, 20172 votes

ADC main. Nuff said.

AnidanJan 8, 20179 votes

Just going to point this out: As a Kat main, you're not likely to see much sympathy on the boards when complaining about other people being able to avoid being killed by you. Combine that with the fact that ADCs aren't doing too hot and people are going to question what the hell you're even on about. I mean, you made it a point that MF dodged your knives and stuff with... Flash. That has, what, a 360 second cooldown baseline? That's compared to your ult having something like a 90/60/45 second cooldown, and that's your longest cooldown besides your own summoners. She may have killed you, but now she is incredibly vulnerable until that comes back up since she has no escape whatsoever besides hoping a stray attack doesn't land on her and remove her passive.

Best Kog NAJan 7, 20172 votes

Ya. That's the only reason I've been against all the suggested changes so far. It's because a lot of people are making it out like they want Marksmen to be deleted. I'm fine with nerfs to the class. Hell I'm all for it. Just I still want to be able to play Kog'Maw ADC.

XonraJan 8, 20171 votes

Most likely he just wants to be able to put in a god mode cheat and one shot everyone with no challenge. Likely the same kind of guy who buys Skyrim and goes to google console commands on PC before it finishes downloading.

Pentium2Jan 8, 20171 votes

Well he plays kata, so he is kind of already doing it.

D357R0Y3RJan 7, 20172 votes

new kata damage are delayed

working as intended, at least that's how riot wants it to work

zrWQMdGHtYJan 7, 20171 votes

Everyone has instant damage. Kata doesnt. That's not "intended" idea of the whole overall rework they did on the assassins. That's failing at it. And instead of calling people names, start using some logic.

DoseqisJan 7, 20174 votes

Almost every assassin except Rengar and Kha have delay on their damage.

zrWQMdGHtYJan 7, 20171 votes

Yeah. Tell that to the level 3 Talon that almost 1 shoted me in less than a second 30 mins ago. And I wasn't even talking about the assassins. I meant champs like Riven, Syndra, Vi, Lee and stuff like that.

DKM BismarckJan 8, 20173 votes

Ya Talon rake snapback takes 0.7 seconds and he has to proc his passive to anything close to 1 shot someone at 3, his level 3 combo takes just a slightly less amount of time than Katarina's

XonraJan 8, 20174 votes

Were you AFK with no items and still level 1?

zrWQMdGHtYJan 8, 20171 votes

Level 4 with boots and 2 pots. Only reason I didn't die was because as was as a support and my adc saved me while he chased me after leaving me on 20 HP in a single combo...

XonraJan 8, 20172 votes

ADCs are pretty laughably bad right now. Had a Draven in my last game that was crapping on our bot lane and wrecking our (not bright to be fair) jungler. Just walked up and 1v1'd him with Morg (wasn't fed) 3 different times.

ADCs are weak as balls right now compared to top/mid.

zrWQMdGHtYJan 8, 20171 votes

There's a difference in WEAK and people been horrible. I cant play ADC and I'm literally fed every single match. Even if I end up 0/4 on lane phase. I get ~15 kills till the end with max 6 deaths. And I cant play ADC and I hate playing ADC. So calling ADC bad, while a bad ADC player gets easily fed as an ADC, is just laughable.

AleksejVelikiJan 8, 20171 votes

True you can get fed if your support is good. And even if you are like 8 0 one zac e combined with like some mage cc or spell you are gone. Vi ults you die 100%, cho flash feasts on you you die. So it's like even though you can get fed you are likely to lose than if you were fed on mage or a good fighter.

TeklmJan 8, 20171 votes

6 seasons. We're only at the beginning of the 7th, friend.

dominusxJan 8, 20171 votes

poor guy lost 10 promos to d1. i feel him

Surr20plzJan 9, 20171 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/19b5d253b40505be6ac3d261ccd64aeb.jpg marksmen are no longer mandatory (though still in 80% of games)

WE DID IT!

YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS?

YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS!!

MANILOW TIME BAYBEEEEE!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UzkOrdKUII

Surr20plzJan 9, 20171 votes

FUCK YEAHHHHH!!!!

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