Since new WW will be permabanned...

Niyumi··1 votes·1,182 views

Will I actually get to play Camille for once?

Instead of banning bullshit champs like Draven Hecarim Illaoi Karma Khazix LeeSin MasterYi Rengar Riven Ryze Vayne Vi XinZhao Yasuo that can actually carry games hardcore with minimal effort and braindead kits, people ban Camille because, "Oh no! She jumps on me every now and then! So broken! So OP! Blahhh!"

I just don't understand people. Camille is one of the easiest champions to actually counterplay, yet people consider her one of the most broken champs in the game. Why? I don't get it.

18 Comments

DrCyanide6 votes

Because it feels like stuff like this happens every time you play against her... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg1IRUMj71w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHDYvNDh6Lc

Niyumi1 votes

1: Both of those Camilles are INSANELY fed. I could show you montage after montage of an ADC doing exactly what she just did there.

2: Both of the enemy teams could have easily killed her if they did anything but run.

DrCyanide2 votes
  1. What part of "it feels like stuff like this happens every game" made you think that didn't include Camille getting fed? Yes, she doesn't actually get fed every game but it's like Katarina, it feels like she gets fed every game.
  2. When both teams tried to damage Camille she completely ignored it and deleted people. What makes you think sticking around her and doing 0 damage for longer is going to be helpful?
Niyumi1 votes
  1. When a champ is permabanned in norms and ranked, and no one has any idea on how to play against her or ever gets to learn how to, yeah, I imagine she'd get fed pretty easily. Remember Illaoi? Took people a couple weeks to pull their head out of their ass, but eventually they learned she's super easy to beat.

  2. In those clips, they threw maybe one thing and then ran away. Both of those should have ended in Camille dying, especially since I recognize the names as higher ELO -- unless they're smurfing.

Tenth Leper6 votes

If she is really so easy to counterplay, why do you want to play her (presumably in ranked) so badly?

Niyumi1 votes

Because I enjoy playing her. I spammed her so much I got rank 7 within a couple days of her release, I'd enjoy playing her even if she was as bad as Mordekaiser and all them. Her kit is fun to me.

I also enjoy Taliyah, even though people say she's weak.

I also enjoy Renekton, even though people say he's not meta.

I also enjoy Teemo and Singed, even though they're "troll picks."

I also enjoy Rammus, even though he's not meta.

I also enjoy lane Lulu, even though it's "bad now."

dunder kill5 votes

Every single Sciela post is horrible.

Every. Single. One.

Niyumi1 votes

I think it's that people just don't want to admit the truth.

Handy Sandy 2 votes

Camille is one of the easiest champions to actually counterplay

But her ultimate is the definition of no counterplay.

It's like LeeSin, one of the bs champions you mentioned, but with a long range dash instead of his Q.

Niyumi1 votes

Her ultimate does ZERO on its own. All it does is keep you in a certain area. While inside of it, you can still use all of your abilities and summoner spells, and do the same damage. If you understand how the rest of her kit works, well, whaddayaknow, her ult does next to nothing.

But then, thinking about what you're doing isn't a talent 99% of League players have, so I can see why you think she's broken.

Oh, and try building Edge of Night, or Zhonya's, or a spellshield, or using an ability like Fizz E or Zed ult, and watch how her ult doesn't even apply, yet still goes on cooldown.

l Dárius l1 votes

lol what

Gamer Gallade1 votes

Banning the new Warwick will only last for a little bit. When people figure him out real quick. Camille will still get banned or receive less because of the new Warwick You better hope the upcoming nerfs will make her less ban-able.

Niyumi1 votes

The upcoming nerfs will make her nonviable. Other divers already do her job far better as is. I'd feel bad picking her, even though she's one of my favorite champs.

What the nerfs will do, is force her to build glass cannon. She already has a tough time in teamfights because people just blow her up and she can't really get to anyone, but now she won't even be able to teamfight. It'd be like jumping into the middle of a team as Tristana and expecting to do something.

I really wish people would just pull their head out of their ass. Sure, she could use nerfs (even though I don't think she needs them), but this is just stupid what they're doing.

LatetotheRace1 votes

"Will I actually get to play Camille for once?" No.

SithesisLord1 votes

Will I actually get to play Camille for once?

Thankfully, no.

can actually carry games hardcore with minimal effort and braindead kits

Meanwhile Box Box plays Riven on a PS4 controller. The great majority here can´t even play Riven to his or Adrian Riven or Revenge's level on keyboard and mouse. Riven is anything but braindead or requiring minimal effort.

The same applies to Draven. Having to maintain his adoration stacks up during a trade and even during CSing in a way it makes him not lose lane is difficult. So playing him requires a lot of effort and his kit is much like most marksmen. Straight forward. I see no issue with that.

I just don't understand people. Camille is one of the easiest champions to actually counterplay, yet people consider her one of the most broken champs in the game. Why? I don't get it.

Because she is and every nerf from here on out won´t just be well deserved, but very much appreciated.

Niyumi1 votes

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Meanwhile Box Box plays Riven on a PS4 controller. The great majority here can´t even play Riven to his or Adrian Riven or Revenge's level on keyboard and mouse. Riven is anything but braindead or requiring minimal effort.

How to play Riven: Abuse bugs that Riot refuses to fix, one shot people because of said bugs, win. Now, tell me how that's hard in any way.

The same applies to Draven. Having to maintain his adoration stacks up during a trade and even during CSing in a way it makes him not lose lane is difficult. So playing him requires a lot of effort and his kit is much like most marksmen. Straight forward. I see no issue with that.

Right click, AFK, win. He has some of the easiest farming in the game, he does more burst damage than almost everyone, has more sustain than almost everyone, AS/MS steroids that are up every half second, and can hit you from across the map. Now, tell me how that's fair. Then, tell me how it's hard to right click on people.

Because she is and every nerf from here on out won´t just be well deserved, but very much appreciated.

Alright, so tell me how she is OBJECTIVELY broken. I mean literally broken, can't beat her, none of that. She just automatically wins, right?

SithesisLord1 votes

How to play Riven: Abuse bugs that Riot refuses to fix, one shot people because of said bugs, win. Now, tell me how that's hard in any way.

The Riven CC cancelling bug is EXTREMELY hard to abuse. To the point where you´ll actually get it right in around 1 out of 100 matches, and if you´re lucky. Riven's animation cancelling is what defines her, but it isn´t available just to her.

Right click, AFK, win.

You´re either stupid or smoking some really good weed.

He has some of the easiest farming in the game

Tristana has it easier, Caitlyn has it easier, Jhin has it easier, Graves has it easier. Essentially, the entire ADC roster has farming easier than Draven does bar Kalista before Runaan's, maybe. Because all they do is AA or use abilities on minions and aren´t gated by a mechanic that allows them to gather more gold through efficient AAs along with careful but fast repositioning. A good Nami can absolutely prevent Draven from gathering Adoration stacks. So can Soraka if her silence is timed right. Zyra, Leona, Brand, Malzahar. They can all hard punish a Draven who tries to go from the axe catches.

he does more burst damage than almost everyone

Late game, perhaps. Early game, he can easily be beaten.

has more sustain than almost everyone, AS/MS steroids that are up every half second

He goes Warlord's. Do you even know why some ADCs go Warlord's instead of Fervor?

Plus, his Blood Rush has a static cooldown of 12 seconds. Draven isn´t a champion to go Essence Reaver, so unless he goes CDR runes or gets blue buff, the cooldown is staying the same. And unsurprisingly, the cooldown is only reset if he catches a Spinning Axe, which may or may not be easier during farming, but is difficult during trades.

and can hit you from across the map. Now, tell me how that's fair.

So can Ashe, Jinx and Gangplank. I don´t see how that is relevant.

Alright, so tell me how she is OBJECTIVELY broken. I mean literally broken, can't beat her, none of that. She just automatically wins, right?

No, but the simple fact that she gets two sheen procs, one of those being converted into true damage makes her broken. Imagine if Irelia could Q you for 400 physical damage plus the same amount in true damage.

A gigantic rock dude, whose ult clearly states he is unstoppable can´t ult out of Camille's ult. Mohawk kid GOING BACK IN TIME can´t do so for Camille's ult. A Viking that during his ult can´t be disabled is disabled by Camille's ult. And yes, locking someone down in an area is a disable. Or at the very least should count. I´d understand if there actually was a reason behind her ult doing it. I can understand her ult applying a visual AoE EMP to prevent Ekko from ulting, but not Malphite and Olaf.

She's Irelia, but better and considerably more unhealthy. Riot's nerfs are most likely to divert her away from a tankier build i.e. stop going TF/Titanic into tank. If anything, her Q costs should be changed. 25 for the first cast, 50 for the true damage recast, 25 for the physical damage recast. Her E nerf is good enough, and her ult should disappear if she dies.

RexSaur1 votes

We all get it you want to abuse that shit to get out of gold, but how about try getting good at the game instead instead of having to abuse overpowered champs as a crutch.

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