Now he does literally 0 damage wtf, you guys like more than halved its damage, there is literally no risk in doing baron anymore and getting turned halfway because both its damage and debuff got heavily nerfed.
Revert the change and reduce its damage by like 10~20% instead, dont nerf the debuff at all because thats the thing that makes baron a risk.
BadPiriPiri41 votesI really liked the baron, he felt powerfull after years.
Flawless Fetus7 votesI felt the same. Finally, he's a threat. Like Vilemaw. Lol. Alas, now he is (semi)tanky noodle.
lolipopevelynn29 votesBaron did too much dmg? Really?
UpDownLeftRightAB16 votesWell considering the change of halving it's damage, Riot seems to think so. I think the vast majority of the player-base thought it finally became a riskier objective again so you actually needed the whole team unless extremely ahead.
lolipopevelynn8 votesWell considering the change of halving it's damage, Riot seems to think so. I think the vast majority of the player-base thought it finally became a riskier objective again so you actually needed the whole team unless extremely ahead.
well i mean, thats the point. the buff it gives is literally a game ending buff, it should be a risky objective... if riot thinks baron did too much damage then they a re just flat out wrong. of ALL the things that deals "too much damage" in this game baron isnt one of them. an objective that has a buff that strong shouldn't be as weak as a blue buff with a more massive HP pool.
the real reason it was nerfed is because they want champs like 
to solo it again.
Cobey1 voteswell i mean, thats the point. the buff it gives is literally a game ending buff, it should be a risky objective...
This. People can argue how ever they want to, but the point remains...Baron was a high risk/high reward objective that changed to a low risk/high reward objective. I play champs like bard, lulu, janna, others who should absolutely love the baron nerf, but it just seems to be too much.
Jaspers20 votesHow long did the Raid Boss Baron last? 2 patches? He had a good run.
ZackTheWaffleMan3 votesIt was more of a dungeon boss. You only needed 5 people to kill it.
######I know what "Raid Boss" means in the context of LoL.
Teridax6819 votesConsidering how Baron's pre-nerf damage was one of the few changes that earned praise from most of the playerbase, including on the Boards, it's perplexing that it would get changed, especially so soon. It feels like Riot is having trouble determining whether Baron needs to be a raid boss, or just a vessel for a game-ending bonus, and while most players at large prefer the former, it feels like the devs would rather have the latter for competitive reasons.
WDG Devour3 votesBaron was punishing players who started Baron instead of punishing the team that is letting the opposition take baron. This is unequivocally wrong and rewards being a coward instead of bravery.
The change makes sense, the brave team shouldn't get annihilated by Baron and the coward team come into pick up the pieces because Baron has done most of the work.
Automated Riven11 votesIf your starting Baron when over half of the enemy team is alive (specifically the jungler) you are making a bad play and should be punished.
WDG Devour2 votesIf that principle was true then Baron would hardly ever be taken. That is not a good thing either.
Automated Riven1 votesIt would be fine if people could take it earlier with less of a risk, assuming that the benifits of taking were not stupidly high. It's an interactive buff to your minions. (ya sure it has other buffs also) but the most important aspect is that you just walk up with your wave and poke at towers and actively avoid fighting. (because fighting comes with the risk of losing, and losing Baron buffs.)
Elder dragon is way more healthy for the game BECAUSE your benifits of it require you to fight. Or posture in such a way that fighting is in your favor.
Automated Riven3 votesI'm fine with it being a vessel if the buff wasn't so damned strong. The reason the change was good was because getting a literal game ending buff required work and risk. Instead of sneezing in the wrong direction and suddenly having it.
At least with elder dragon you are forced to fight to make use of the buff. Baron is just fucking there.
Risen2918 votesPeople were finally happy with Baron. Again they don't listen to the players.
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesBecause 80% of the boards are just stupid. They want blatantly too strong champions to remain unnerfed (or even buffed) for the sole reason that they're "only broken in pro-play", they want cancerous as fuck champions buffed even more, and they want already sub-50 champions nerfed even more.
And far too many of them want a fighter meta, which almost literally nobody but fighter mains enjoy.
I mean, if you just listened to the playerbase, they'd have Taliyah have a 60%+ winrate in proplay, Shaco would be buffed even more past the 55% he has at all tiers, every ADC would have a sub-45 winrate...
Yaosuo1 votesCough 
cough
ninjaroxas1 votesLiterally the only thing we have ever asked for tailyah is her old w back, we have never asked for a buff since she had her worked ground duration lowered.
Most of those things you listed as straight up wrong, only shaco players want him buffed, I have seen nothing asking for a fighter meta hell I saw a post on the front page saying tank metas are the best, you're insane if you think boards want any thing with more then a 49% buffed they start calling for nerfs at that point, fucking sorry that we don't want our perfectly fine champions getting nerfed because the best players in the game used them.
The problem is with people like you acting like an elitist and thinking you know the game better then anyone that disagrees with you. In reality you are part of the percentage of idiots on the boards
NorthernRedStar10 votesIt seems Riot's finally given up on trying to actually balance the game.
Now all that matters is squishing out the final pennies from the Asian market before the game dies out.
Moon Mom6 votesI'm sorry but that's no where near true. Baron was extremely overturned and got nerfed... I fail to see the issue with it. It was literally shredding whole teams, and that should never be the case. Teamfights are supposed to shred your teams, not mid - late game neutral objectives. he still does a ton of damage and isn't as easy to kill as he used to be.
RocketRelm9 votesSo instead of, y'know, just reverting the damage buffs and keeping the health buffs, they had to rip the balls off his damage. Makes sense.
UpDownLeftRightAB17 votesBaron used to shred teams in the past and it was considered a healthy objective. The damage he dealt seemed on par with OLD baron, which I liked. It made contesting a poorly called baron by the enemy a good option even if you couldn't take baron after killing the enemy team.
NorthernRedStar5 votesThis, precis. There was no reason to nerf baron aside from increasing one team's (the leading one) snowball potential.
JMoriartyDK8 votesAgain someone points asian markets and Tencent and gets downvoted, you are not even wrong, this along with turret nerfs are changes made so that the games are just shorter i'll put it in simpler terms, koreans and chinese like short games because of internet cafes and yada yada, Tencent are chinese, Tencent owns LoL, Chinese companies give two shits about western audiences, put two and two.
CURSEÐ REVENANT7 votesLooks like it is back to playing udyr and soloing baron when it spawns.
Hethalean6 votesWhen they want Baron to feel more like a big scuttle crab than an epic monster.
IS1a35739310e64704643991 votesWhen they want Baron to feel more like a big scuttle crab than an epic monster.
in 3 patches scuttle will do more damage than baron
Hyperiön4 votesThey made it more tanky, and in turn took away the damage. I like they made it more tanky, but for how strong it is, it needs to be doing a lot more damage.
PowerSlave9934 votesRiot: ''Hmm... Chinese and Koreans seem to have games longer than 20 minutes... They can't even do baron at 20 minutes anymore! DAMN! Nerf baron, let them take it as soon as it spawns. It will instant win games so we get more profits.'' Employee: ''But... now baron will be weak and.. Riot: ''SHUT UP AND DO WHAT I SAY! Chinese are important!!!''
GG WP. Another proof why riot reduced towers, baron strength... Just to make games last less.
BestPudgeNA3 votesWhat game were you guys playing? The baron changes were awful and made it so doing baron when was way to risky, baron shouldn't just auto kill the opposing team for you when you're behind it does relevant damage, you need to contest it and actually deserve to win the teamfight now.
Madsin253 votesI don't understand riot sometimes.
Baron is for taking when you ACE the enemy team. If you try to sneak baron when the enemy team is up you SHOULD be punished if you are caught.
Now the winning team can just 5 man baron and turn on whoever comes easy.
ChaddyFantome2 votesAs someone who plays champs like 
, i can totally get behind the premise it did too much damage as u basically had to shield yourself instead of your team in order to help take baron.
That said i tottally agree that this change is bass akwards. Riot pussyfooting at its finest.
The whole point was to make it harder to do. They basically reverted the change, its a joke. At least dont tone the damage down THIS muvh lol.
Ifneth2 votesGood. It was ridiculous that Baron was shredding the entire team with ambient damage.
Shatter the Sun2 votesOne of the reasons I have come to understand is that since riot is a Chinese owned company and they want people out of their internet cafes faster so they want games to end faster. It sounds crazy at first but the more I see the direction this game is going the more I start to believe it.
Pika Fox1 votesTencent has no control over Riot or NA, only oce.
Leto GT2 votesSeems like it does less damage than before they buffed it. It really does no damage it's funny.
I Take more damage from blue buff than from Baron. [zombie-brand-mindblown]
Kelg2 votesWhat when did they half his damage?
BestPudgeNA2 votesWhat when did they half his damage?
They didn't they lowered his attack speed buy 15%ish and his total damage output by about 10-20%. But the removed his the armor/mr Shred of his AoE attacks and only works for his melee attacks. So now if 0/4/5 support 
shows up they can't hit a 3 man shockwave and one shot the opposing team that's ahead 20 kills/5 towers and the boards think this is awful because reasons.
GrReaper962 votesBARON ATTACK SPEED 0.75 ⇒ 0.625 BASE CORRUPTION DAMAGE 120 ⇒ 60 CORRUPTION DAMAGE RATIO 0.3 total attack damage ⇒ 0.2 total attack damage SPECIAL ATTACKS No longer apply corruption stacks
This means they halved his on-hit damage and basically halved his armor/mr shred.
Blåbæret2 votesBaron was fine before nerf tbh. Don't understand why this balance team always has to go overboard when changing something.
NaturesMayhem2 votesThis irritates me in two ways. One, Baron was finally in a similar spot to season 5-6. A objective that provides a buff and is usually only taken when one team dies, or if it's end game and teams are trying to make plays. So much better than it just being another stepping stone that only worsened the snowball meta as it was akin to a red buff, but did more. Baron needed this and I think it's bs that they changed it back.
Second,
BARON ATTACK SPEED 0.75 ⇒ 0.625
BASE CORRUPTION DAMAGE 120 ⇒ 60
CORRUPTION DAMAGE RATIO 0.3 total attack damage ⇒ 0.2 total attack damage
What the hell? You halved the base damage, lowered attack speed by a good portion, and lowered the corruption damage as a sprinkle on the top. There is such thing as moderation, but the balance team seems to lack any of it. When you're trying to use a triple beam balance, you ease you're way to the perfect balance, not flip the weights from side to side till you hit the mark. Patch notes should be closer between with less big changes. Instead of dropping a huge patch and scrambling to fix the issues that arose from that one.
LegitBusinessman2 votesThey. Don't. Know. How. To. Balance. The. Game. Anymore.
Cosnirak1 votesYou used literally to mean something other than literally and my eye is twitching so... URRRGHHHGH but also yeah I support the actual idea. Take my reluctant upvote. [sg-ahri-1]
Zone of Endless1 votes1 step forward 2 leaps backward
TeCoolMage1 votesDidn't LS say the opposite and it had no effect?
I had a feeling it would take off a lot of damage
IS1a35739310e64704643991 votesSoon 70 % of the playerbase will only play Aram as the last fun mode left. snowball rift is now a clownfiesta where you either stomp or get stomped and no one wants to be trapped for 20/30 minutes in a mode with 0 fun
