So is no one going to talk about how unhealthy Ezreal is right now?

Śhunpo·Jul 18, 2019·45 votes·13,094 views

He's effectively a mixed damage ranged assassin who is extremely safe, gets his items quickly and never has a "weak" stage in the game.

Honestly I'd say he's one of the best burst champions in the game right now, which just isn't right since the only item that he gets now for burst damage is Luden's. I keep seeing Ezreals 2-shot people (or 1 shot if you classify W->Q as a oneshot), and honestly, it just doesn't feel right at all.

Essentially what I'm trying to say is that Ezreal being this ranged assassin/burst mage does not make sense with his overall design and in terms of gameplay it just isn't right for such a safe champion to possess all of this burst damage without committing to a full AP build.

Everyone is talking about getting oneshot by assassins and yet no one is complaining about Ez xD

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Death by GlamourJul 18, 201931 votes

just make item 3025 melee only

no more cheesy "tank" mages either

ihateyouallmutedJul 19, 20192 votes

This and a half. Ezreal will still do great with trinity force, this just makes him so abusive in the mid game due to NEVER being able to escape once a single Q hits you.

Hwke94Jul 19, 20191 votes

3600 gold bro

Vlada CutJul 19, 20192 votes

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3600 gold bro

3783* Doesn't matter,he still has Kleptomancy and Future's Market.

FlashesJul 19, 20191 votes

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just make melee only

no more cheesy "tank" mages either

Rip Viktor lmfao

Death by GlamourJul 19, 20196 votes

Rip tank vikor, the nerfs he received can be reverted if frozen fist gets changed to melee only

Vlada CutJul 19, 20191 votes

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just make melee only

no more cheesy "tank" mages either

Then Ez would deal more damage with item 3078 with 200% bonus ad from his ad build with item 3146 that also gices AD as well as ap for his hybrid scalibgs

ProExpertKingJul 19, 20191 votes

But his q wouldn't slow you and why go gun blade when item 3072 would give you more damage and life steal

Also Tri is base ad, not bonus ad.

Vlada CutJul 20, 20191 votes

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But his q wouldn't slow you and why go gun blade when would give you more damage and life steal

Also Tri is base ad, not bonus ad.

False. Because where Gaunlet slows people Triforce makes you move faster. item 3146 will ALWAYS be a better option than item 3080 because of Ezreal having hybrid scalings, so even if Gunblade has less AD than Bloodthrister meaning that his Q will have less self dependant damage, doesn't mean he won't be empowering his W E and Ultinate massively with AP that Gunblade has. Besides. W Q with Gunblade deals more damage than W Q than Bloodthrister(more magic damage and more damage overall). Plus if gaunlet's slow is what you are missing you still have Gunblade for slow and Triforce for movement speed.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 18, 201924 votes

Idk, can't be that broken with a 47% winrate at every tier.

ŚhunpoJul 18, 20199 votes

I never said he was broken balance wise, he's just unhealthy rn in terms of design and gameplay.

ChaosReynJul 18, 201915 votes

I mean, I'll say he's broken balance-wise. He hits like a fucking train.

Ironically, it's his bad design and gameplay that keep him at 47%. If you cant land the combos, they deal no damage. So in the case of Ez players that aren't using aimbots, he's typically lackluster. But in the case of people who can land their skillshots with any consistency, he's a fucking monster.

Meteora707Jul 19, 20194 votes

his early game is so weak its hilarious though, this is kinda negated by how fucking safe he is but ya know

ProExpertKingJul 19, 20191 votes

Maokai too to be honest. I just remember watching a video from Extra credits where a Rioter talked to them about counter play and then like 2 weeks later they revealed Maokai, adding 0 counter play to his kit, the closest thing is flash out of his ult but you could do that before, he just can't bring it back to you now.

Death by GlamourJul 18, 20199 votes

tbf he has over 30% pickrate in almost every elo

DurzakaJul 18, 201914 votes

He does have like a 35-40% pick rate in EVERY tier as well.

If anything having a 47% win rate with such a monstrous pick rate (that puts everything else to shame) is a testament to his strong.

Jerry SeinfeIdJul 18, 20196 votes

as usual.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 19, 20191 votes

Some champions just have a huge pickrate regardless of strength. Ez, Yas, and Ahri will always be popular with strong pickrates unless they become literally unplayable.

Vlada CutJul 19, 20191 votes

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Some champions just have a huge pickrate regardless of strength. Ez, Yas, and Ahri will always be popular with strong pickrates unless they become literally unplayable.

Like Yasuo with the Windwall bug?

DuskDaUmbreonJul 19, 20191 votes

I meant more "This champion has been disabled due to whatever bug".

I don't mean troll-tier, I mean literally being unable to be picked.

Vlada CutJul 20, 20191 votes

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I meant more "This champion has been disabled due to whatever bug".

I don't mean troll-tier, I mean literally being unable to be picked.

I wasn't talking about troll tier, I was talking about the same thing. If Yasul's windwa is suffering from a bug that's not letting it block projectiles then why hasn't he been disabled yet?

DuskDaUmbreonJul 20, 20191 votes

Idk. But he's still pickable, so he'll be popular.

Fear the KaynJul 19, 20192 votes

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Idk, can't be that broken with a 47% winrate at every tier.

Aatrox has a 48% winrate but the league community is so biased against him the nerfs will never stop.

AirKingNeoJul 19, 20191 votes

insane pickrate lowers winrate

Jimmy RustlesJul 18, 201918 votes

Are you saying that an ADC that has good AD and AP scaling as well as an ult that's global that does about 700 damage to everyone it hits late game is an issue

How dare you imply having a short CD flash and higher range than every other ADC could be problematic

DuskDaUmbreonJul 19, 20193 votes

He has an AA range of 550. That's not longer than every ADC, that's pretty average range. Ashe has higher range, Cait has higher range, Varus has higher range, and Kindred has higher range as soon as they hit 4 stacks. Kog generally has higher range, Trist has higher range with passive, Jinx using rockets has a higher range... And there are 6 ADCs tied with him (Corki, Draven, Jhin, MF, Twitch, and Vayne). That's 9 that he's never longer-range than, and 7 that at least some of the time have a longer range.

You can't call average range "longer range than every ADC". Even accounting for abilities, he's not the longest range ADC. Ashe's W is 75 units larger. Cait's Q is 125 units larger, and her headshots against targets in W or E have 275 more range.

He's literally not the longest range ADC by any metric you can use. Even looking at his ult, it's still tied by Ashe, Jinx and Draven's ults.

Jimmy RustlesJul 19, 20192 votes

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He has an AA range of 550. That's not longer than every ADC, that's pretty average range. Ashe has higher range, Cait has higher range, Varus has higher range, and Kindred has higher range as soon as they hit 4 stacks. Kog generally has higher range, Trist has higher range with passive, Jinx using rockets has a higher range... And there are 6 ADCs tied with him (Corki, Draven, Jhin, MF, Twitch, and Vayne). That's 9 that he's never longer-range than, and 7 that at least some of the time have a longer range.

You can't call average range "longer range than every ADC". Even accounting for abilities, he's not the longest range ADC. Ashe's W is 75 units larger. Cait's Q is 125 units larger, and her headshots against targets in W or E have 275 more range.

He's literally not the longest range ADC by any metric you can use. Even looking at his ult, it's still tied by Ashe, Jinx and Draven's ults.

E+Q = Furthest Range

GGnoRE

DuskDaUmbreonJul 19, 20191 votes

Okay. Except that's not the same thing at all. Q and E range are two separate things.

You don't magically gain range on abilities just because you dash backwards after using it.

Jimmy RustlesJul 19, 20191 votes

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Okay. Except that's not the same thing at all. Q and E range are two separate things.

You don't magically gain range on abilities just because you dash backwards after using it.

It's 100% the same thing, you said by any metric

According to you, Zoe abilities have shorter range cuz R is a seperate ability

E moves you and isn't a summoners

DuskDaUmbreonJul 20, 20191 votes

Except her R does increase Q recast range.

Ezreal casts Q then moves backwards. The range is still the same, he just gets to safety afterwards. Zoe actually throws her Q farther after pressing R.

Jimmy RustlesJul 20, 20192 votes

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Except her R does increase Q recast range.

Ezreal casts Q then moves backwards. The range is still the same, he just gets to safety afterwards. Zoe actually throws her Q farther after pressing R.

Ezreal hits E, moves forward, letting his Q go further as he moved further

Just like Zoe's Q gets to go further cuz her ult moves her forward

Same thing

Farthest rage ADC with lowest CD's on that range

Daddy AntsJul 18, 201910 votes

Sivir

What exactly is Sivir's weakness?

Waveclear? Check Safety? Check Utility? Check Damage? Check Mobility? Kind of with passive and ult Any monkey can play her? Check

DurzakaJul 18, 201912 votes

incredibly short range outside of Q, and no CC of any kind.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 19, 20194 votes

So...Ezreal?

Short range outside of Q, and no CC of any kind.

koshkyraJul 19, 20193 votes

There’s a difference. Sivir barely uses her Q outside of waveclear, Ezreal’s entire playstyle revolves around his Q.

FSRERJul 19, 20194 votes

Mana Costs. You can't ignore the fact that Sivir has 110 mana cost on her Q which she is forced to max due to it being her only long range ability. Honestly, what they should do is give sivir +25 attack range and reduce her mana cost on Q by 10 on all ranks. As for Ezreal, he should get a mechanic that the more Q he spams in X amount of time, the higher the mana cost gets, increasing by 5 or something. And as for AP ezreal, his W should not auto lock on targets even if it misses and it's ap ratio should be reduced by 15% on all ranks, that way you can still build hybrid but without nuking people by just pressing 2 buttons

Daddy AntsJul 19, 20195 votes

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Mana Costs. You can't ignore the fact that Sivir has 110 mana cost on her Q which she is forced to max due to it being her only long range ability. Honestly, what they should do is give sivir +25 attack range and reduce her mana cost on Q by 10 on all ranks. As for Ezreal, he should get a mechanic that the more Q he spams in X amount of time, the higher the mana cost gets, increasing by 5 or something. And as for AP ezreal, his W should not auto lock on targets even if it misses and it's ap ratio should be reduced by 15% on all ranks, that way you can still build hybrid but without nuking people by just pressing 2 buttons

item 3508

AvuxJul 18, 20196 votes

he sucks in lane (compared to most adc) and he is skillshot reliant. Fight him in a minion wave and he will do little dmg. Also bruisers who get on top of him will kill him easy. Just get an irelia jax riven and hes fucked.

Linda de MolJul 18, 20196 votes

Sup main here, never have difficulties laning against ezreal. They suck usually

Linna ExcelJul 19, 20196 votes

He's always has issues, however a 47% winrate champ getting picked 32% of the time has me particularly worried. item 3004 -> item 3025 or item 3078 -> item 3285 is good on him and at least gives him a ton of mana/damage and safety. Part of me thinks riot should make IBG melee only and then rework EZ as needed. Seeing an ADC regularly build is like expecting Ashe to regularly buy item 3075 : it just shouldn't happen.

RainXBladeJul 18, 20194 votes

He's balanced out by the fact that most of his damage is in the form of skillshots, which require the player to aim and lead targets. It's not like with people like Kha'zix who can just delete you with 3 buttons.

You also have to remember that he's still an ADC, which means assassins can still counter him, despite Ez having a built-in flash in his kit.

ŚhunpoJul 18, 20194 votes

"He's balanced out by the fact that most of his damage is in the form of skillshots", this is not an excuse for him to be nuking people....

FSRERJul 19, 20193 votes

Is a skillshot that has a 4 secs cd balanced tho? Does he lose anything from missing it? Mana? Damage? Does him missing it make him vulnerable? No, the answer is no to all of these. Blitzcrank Q is a skillshot that if you miss you lost half your god damn mana and it has a long cooldown punishing you for not hitting it.

SucctionJul 19, 20192 votes

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He's balanced out by the fact that most of his damage is in the form of skillshots, which require the player to aim and lead targets. It's not like with people like Kha'zix who can just delete you with 3 buttons.

You also have to remember that he's still an ADC, which means assassins can still counter him, despite Ez having a built-in flash in his kit.

Assassins can't really counter him, because he builds gauntlet very early on, and can even opt into hourglass later if he's feeling extra %%%%y.

ŚhunpoJul 21, 20192 votes

And he goes Maw+Mercurial's+Mercs against AP assassins.

KatMainWannabeJul 21, 20191 votes

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He's balanced out by the fact that most of his damage is in the form of skillshots, which require the player to aim and lead targets. It's not like with people like Kha'zix who can just delete you with 3 buttons.

You also have to remember that he's still an ADC, which means assassins can still counter him, despite Ez having a built-in flash in his kit.

Ezreal always build Iceborn Gauntlet now, which gives 100 armor, which means assassins basically do peanuts of damage.

LBmyBBJul 18, 20194 votes

He's like a ranged assassin

AmeweJul 20, 20192 votes

Here comes the monaaaaaaay, here comes the money.

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That it why he will stay the way he is.

Pierce The VealJul 19, 20191 votes

What about Vayne and Kai’Sa? It feels so fun to literally not be able to catch the former as most melees, and the latter, while riskier than ezreal, is super high damage and actually fairly safe if you play her right, while spiking into hyper carry mode with 3 items worth a little over 8000 gold

ŚhunpoJul 20, 20192 votes

They're legitimately broken in a balance sense AND design sense, Ezreal is just fundamentally broken right now as he plays as a ranged burst assassin.