Why is there no tank ekko nerf ?

option paralysis·Aug 15, 2016·34 votes·2,446 views

How much longer will I have to deal with that stupid shit ? Why don't you nerf tank ekko with fucking trinity into the ground ? I don't understand, I really don't, what the fuck is this game turning into. A fucking AP assasin plays with trinity force into tank and works quite well. ROFL maybe give him moar passives. If you don't ban tank ekko, there's irelia with trinity into tank that one shots you - it's like yeah k den. Then there's Vladimir that shits on you every which way and what the hell else, nice rework btw, 70% ban rate, no change on PBE. But hey, lets give number of champs moar dmg, that's what is missing from this game.

53 Comments

Time MagikAug 15, 201613 votes

Triforce needs looked at in my opinion.

Dr PoroAug 15, 20161 votes

I find it strange that it still gives % MS while Zeal was taken out and no other component contains % MS. Also, when they changed it, the cost was reduced while the stats were severely buffed. What's up with that?

55976771DEL2Aug 20, 20161 votes

Old trinity with critical was much better duh.

A Bad NasusAug 15, 201611 votes

the speed boost he gets from z-drive is obnoxious when you look at all the utility/mobility he has

Squidward DabAug 16, 20162 votes

He honestly should either get to slow you with his z-drive or get his speed boost, not both because both make it obnoxious as soon as he gets the q on you

TWITCHTV ERONATEAug 15, 20166 votes

You know what ekko needs? More slows

man it's not enough that he uses q, slows you with his passive and by the time the passive slow ends he has his q back up.

ProvidenceNoxAug 16, 20161 votes

Lets not forget his W which is either a slow or a stun!

MatezoideAug 17, 20162 votes

Agreed make it so Ekko's basic attacks and Ult apply a 30% slow for 2 seconds, and retcon him into being from the Freijord, Trundle style.

TWITCHTV ERONATEAug 17, 20162 votes

you know why can enemies even move make his 3rd aa on a champion stun them for 10 seconds (scaling with health because why the fuck not)

WarpesAug 15, 20164 votes

tank ekko isn't even a problem anymore due to repeated nerfs, nor is it a problem "just because it exists"

stop making these fucking threads, and learn to play.

6KEMBE4ORBAAug 15, 20168 votes

You don't know what you're talking about.

Tank builds with only 1 dmg item are overdamaging pure (~fully build) hypercarries and it has been an ongoing problem since the retarded juggernaut patch.

It existed even before that but it was manageable. Now it's just ridiculous.

Riot's design/balance choices are below zero.

CeexSettAug 15, 20163 votes

Are you high? How does a 1 damage item build outdamage a full build 6 damage items hypercarry?

You mean to tell me this: Ekko item 3078 item 3111 item 3068 item 3065 item 3026 item 3512 Outdamages this: Caitlyn item 3031 item 3006 item 3085 item 3072 item 3046

It seems like you are the one who doesn't know what he is talking about and just lost to some Tank Kha'zix shenanigans.

crippler38Aug 15, 20163 votes

because cait's going to die in about 2 seconds while ekko has another good 30 to hit people.

KeepeAug 15, 20161 votes

Valid point. Hell, it's not uncommon for a Garen to outdamage a Vayne overall with a straight tank build and offensive Sunfire for the simple reason of "I'm doing Science and I'm still alive."

WarpesAug 15, 20161 votes

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because cait's going to die in about 2 seconds while ekko has another good 30 to hit people.

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Valid point. Hell, it's not uncommon for a Garen to outdamage a Vayne overall with a straight tank build and offensive Sunfire for the simple reason of "I'm doing Science and I'm still alive."

Exactly.

And the problem isn't the fact that the tanks use their brains and build... tank, living long to deal damage, but rather it's the overwhelming amount of poor players that allow this to happen, don't deny farm, feed them, don't kite them, don't position well, and get themselves murdered by not just tanks, juggernauts, and bruisers... but everything. Then yes, of course the tank is going to outlive them and thus outdamage them by far.

So as I said in my above post, it's the carrys' and peelers' faults for this issue, not the enemy "tank" who gets super fed off bad players.

CeexSettAug 16, 20161 votes

Come on, how does that Ekko with that build one shot Caitlyn in 2 seconds? BT's lifesteal is enough to facetank everything he throws at her. Even if he lands a stun, he can't burst her down in that time quickly enough with only a Triforce.

crippler38Aug 16, 20163 votes

you know. There are more people than ekko on a team. Guess who they'll be aiming for more, the squishy one or the tanky one.

Basically, cait can get oneshot, ekko with tank items cannot, cait can get focused out in a short period of time, ekko will not. cait cannot keep getting her damage out because she is dead from ekko diving her and forcing her to run away.

If her team tries to peel ekko off, he rewinds, and his team has safety to engage. If her team decides to stop the rest of his team from killing them instead of stopping ekko from killing her, she's dead. She will not kill ekko before he kills her.

That's just how it is.

CeexSettAug 16, 20161 votes

That's completely true. I was just referencing to the guy who said the Ekko could outdamage Cailtyn. That is COMPLETELY not tru, at least at 6 items. In terms of raw numbers, Ekko doesn't outdamage Caitlyn. In terms of a teamfight, he surely can zone her and not get peeled off in time because of rewind.

GULAG 4 UAug 16, 20161 votes

tank Khazix ?

item 3156 item 3147 item 3053 item 3111 item 3742 item 3071 ?

It's legit shit m9

HyperiönAug 16, 20161 votes

item 3812 over item 3053 any day of the week.

GULAG 4 UAug 17, 20161 votes

death's dance isn't really a tank item but yeah that could work.

HyperiönAug 17, 20161 votes

15% lifesteal on Q. pretty much free 100 health every 2 seconds, on top of W. First item I always get on Kha no matter what.

GULAG 4 UAug 17, 20161 votes

well I'd say duskblade at best, but the reason why i put duskblade there is because you ain't oneshotting people with taht build, and duskblade will help you if you don't.

HyperiönAug 17, 20161 votes

Totally, Late game too if i have enough gold to do this, I sell mercs for a youmuus. Helps delete carries even faster :) Or I will swap it out for LDR if they are just a super duper tanky team.

GULAG 4 UAug 18, 20161 votes

This isn't assassin kha'zix but bruiser/tanky kha'zix...

6KEMBE4ORBAAug 17, 20161 votes

Refer to the last parts in this post, since I already replied to somone else here:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/kOPxYkEq-why-is-there-no-tank-ekko-nerf?comment=0005000000010000

WarpesAug 15, 20162 votes

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You don't know what you're talking about.

Tank builds with only 1 dmg item are overdamaging pure (~fully build) hypercarries and it has been an ongoing problem since the retarded juggernaut patch.

No they're not.

Or perhaps it's true... if you literally play NOTHING but tryndamere, into absolutely every. single. matchup. (with ghost ignite no less...) no matter how bad the matchup is for you... and then have a god awful kda and kill participation.

If don't understand what you're doing wrong, and nonstop feeding said "1 damage item tanks" then of course they're going to overdamage carries, particularly the ones that did the feeding (yourself), then yes, you are correct.

And once again, this isn't proof that "tank Ekko" is strong. If anything it's evidence towards the contrary... because 1) people like you exist to enforce this problem with your feeding, and 2) that the item itself (tri-force) is OP. Which has been stated repeatedly in threads... just like this one.

Sorry but you're the one who doesn't have a freaking clue mate. Typical carry only player, crying about "tank meta".

6KEMBE4ORBAAug 17, 20161 votes

When you get to (high) diamond, we can talk again. Still, I'm gonna bother just once.

(my highest point when I had a little more time to play in 2014 was ~Diamond 2 before the huge decay mentioned/linked below)

How are my stats and performance in any way bad or even mediocre? In 50% of the last 10 ranked games I carried hard and even in the one that I fed, I was still a pain in the ass for the enemy team and we won:

https://postimg.org/image/8lxnifoxl/

Heck, I didn't play LoL for close to 9 months (Dec 2015) and I went 10 straight wins in my placements recently with only ~15 mins of training in customs cause holding the mouse properly/executing basic stuff was hard cause I was alienated from the game.

I can (and I do) win every match up, even against a teemo in diamond elo.

(now it's harder though and I don't play support, cause of the retarded new champ select - my 2nd role in which I too carried like hell)

Usually when top (or rather the enemy team) sees how I play cause in the majority of the games I win my lane hard early/1st bloods/double kill vs top and jungler when ganked --->

---> ppl start focusing on me while my team derps around, missing opportunities.

(ppl are bad even in diamond - only high diamond starts to be somewhat consistent skillwise)

Generally If my team listens to me, we win. When they don't - we lose.

And I play in a very unique way - not like the typical split only trynd/typical trynd player or typical player as a whole. If you wonder what I'm talking about, read this thread I made back in 2014 on the LoL forums:

http://forums.eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=766376

Also read this recent thread about Imaqtpie's advice: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/y4rT0pYY-imaqtpie-gave-some-great-advice-this-past-weekend

Feeling the similarities yet?

Even with all the the shitty changes to the strategic depth like:

the removal of green wards/minions changes which itself affects wave management/ and how that affects in a negative way early mid/midgame strategic choices and pushing/utilising advantages.

(before the removal I got like 97% more warding score than the playerbase on http://wardscore.loltools.net )

fked up free dmg like thundelord minimizing or close to ommiting the window of opportunities for counter-offence as it fk ups dmg done and rotation of skills, interfering with the initial design of certain champs and their weak/strong sides.
shitty itemisation favoring ~3k+ hp "bruiser" builds (tank items with inbuilt strong offence stats) or straight tank build with only one dmg item (alongside the "bruiser" tank items with dmg) allowing ouright derping around or kiting for ~5 secs and waiting for cd, with minimal risks/skill required while gaining huge results.

So, i'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. Are you?

THE RlVER KlNGAug 15, 20164 votes

IMO they need to take away his % damage completely and either remove the slow or the movespeed from his passive. The fact that he already has a double dash and reset makes the movespeed (which is also one of the longest lasting, highest percentage boosts in the game, second only perhaps to Zilean, Hecarim, and Rammus) obnoxious, and the fact that he has 2 slows and a stun (and synergizes with Rylais/Iceborn super well as it is) makes the crippling slow just completely unfair. Ekko's kit is just so jammed with literally everything you would want on a champion (damage, CC, poke, gapcloser, and a complete and utter reset button).

EDIT: Irelia is still really strong but Vlad actually isn't doing all that well. Repeated nerfs and rise of his counters, shitty winrate.

BloodyTomponAug 15, 20163 votes

So, nobody wins against Ekko. But nobody wins against Irelia. And nobody wins against Vlad? Do I have that right? Cant you just pick one of the others and auto win?

option paralysisAug 15, 20164 votes

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So, nobody wins against Ekko. But nobody wins against Irelia. And nobody wins against Vlad? Do I have that right? Cant you just pick one of the others and auto win?

I refuse to play irelia, but I do play vlad. However after ekko gets a sv or some other mr tanky sht, you can't kill him anymore.

Existential BardAug 16, 20161 votes

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I refuse to play irelia, but I do play vlad. However after ekko gets a sv or some other mr tanky sht, you can't kill him anymore.

Maybe you should build Tanky vlad instead of trying to get kills

WarpesAug 15, 20161 votes

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So, nobody wins against Ekko. But nobody wins against Irelia. And nobody wins against Vlad? Do I have that right? Cant you just pick one of the others and auto win?

I win against Ekko top all the time. Particularly with Jarvan. Haven't lost lane with him, or even not completely destroyed, vs Ekko yet. As well as with other similar early game bruisers...

J4 has the mobility and cc to keep up with Ekko, superior waveclear and splitpushing capability (especially after a hydra or youmuus), and can easily outtrade any Ekko so long as the J4 isn't the world's biggest potato.

But matchups like these I guess require something called "thinking outside the box"? Which completely goes against the "but I main tryndamere and only play him in every single matchup ever, no matter what" cases.

The very one's who tell us that tank ekko, and tanks in general, are such a huuuge problem...

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

DunkinNoobsAug 15, 20163 votes

I remember when Tank Ekko rushed sunfire cape, dominated everyone in lane with Grasp and his insane base damages, and didn't fall off until very late game. This "Tank" Ekko is a pushover compared to the old one.

CerealBoxOfDoomAug 15, 20162 votes

can tank ekko even push a lane?

NGNL AsianAug 16, 20162 votes

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can tank ekko even push a lane?

YES.

CerealBoxOfDoomAug 16, 20161 votes

how does he do this

Kempachi TaichouAug 15, 20161 votes

It happened, but in exchange his AP Shield laughs at you...

RageQ2Aug 15, 20161 votes

Well you know that if you're doing rank, you should go a % health champ...

Kitty ClarissaAug 16, 20161 votes

nerf triforce your nerfing Irelia Ezreal Fiora Jax Gangplank Poppy Hecarim and more tank ekko is decent but not as strong as release tank ekko.

NGNL AsianAug 16, 20161 votes

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nerf triforce your nerfing and more tank ekko is decent but not as strong as release tank ekko.

boi you forgot nasus

HyperiönAug 16, 20161 votes

item 3025

NGNL AsianAug 22, 20161 votes

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Lol too bad that got nerfed, cause it was fun doing it on nasus.

MunchCrunchLunchAug 16, 20161 votes

Ekko can't even duel a Tristana that builds item 3006 item 3036 item 3031 item 3087 item 3812 item 3139

dont fucking complain about melees that build tank and do some damage because its impossible to play a glass cannon melee nowdays. or even bruiser. nothing matters. jhin and caitlyn will crit you for 75% of your health.

his winrate is barely 50%.

NGNL AsianAug 16, 20161 votes

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can't even duel a that builds

dont fucking complain about melees that build tank and do some damage because its impossible to play a glass cannon melee nowdays. or even bruiser. nothing matters. jhin and caitlyn will crit you for 75% of your health.

his winrate is barely 50%.

NO SHIT TRISTANA LATE GAME LIKE DESTROYS EVERYONE

MunchCrunchLunchAug 16, 20161 votes

no. tristana. is one example. every adc with lifesteal can 1v1 ekko late game. maybe except jhin because he can't lifesteal quickly.

DeltaRavenAug 16, 20161 votes

Trinity is just too strong right now, it needs the nerf not ekko.

CubíxAug 17, 20161 votes

Tank ekko is a joke now, his damage is pitiful. A match recently I played as renekton against a tank ekko and he didnt do damage to me, sure he's still tanky but his damage output is laughable.

option paralysisAug 17, 20161 votes

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Tank ekko is a joke now, his damage is pitiful. A match recently I played as renekton against a tank ekko and he didnt do damage to me, sure he's still tanky but his damage output is laughable.

it's all relative man. it's funny because I had a renekton on my team that went 0/6 against stupid tank ekko. so my experience is a little different.