He's a Juggernaut without any Attack Damage ratios, innate sustain or resistances so he's forced to build like a Tank but has neither their damage nor their CC nor Juggernauts' damage. Why would you ever pick him and whats his use?
doubleguac22 votesWho says he's fine? He clearly needs work.
If he's supposed to be a juggernaut, he needs to have more damage threat against non-squishies.
IF he's supposed to be a tank, he needs more utility and crowd control.
Either way, he needs some innate tankiness, because unless you snowball hard, he feels way too squishy to access any of his real power in team fights. His passive is very weak and easy to counter compared to the sustain/tankiness that modern tanks and juggernauts get built into their kits.
Even if he were balanced, he would still deserve a retooling. His kit has practically no skill expression. Basically the only decisions you make are who to flip and when to bite.
Shaydrox3 votesExactly this, this right here sums up literally every problem with him. He's supposed to be a juggernaut or tank, but doesn't have the tools to succeed as either. His W is strong only when used to execute squishy targets, but good luck getting to those. Most of the time you won't, in which case his W fails horribly. And it's still a better ability than his E, which is truly terrible. He needs a full VGU for sure.
Zed genius10 votesWhat Dom said about him basically concludes him. He is designed just to duel people and he loses to every other dueler
Professor Ward1 votes[{quoted}](name=Zed genius,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kMrHbowl,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-12-05T18:45:15.838+0000)
What Dom said about him basically concludes him. He is designed just to duel people and he loses to every other dueler
he has an aoe ultimate, i just dont see him designed as a full duelist, though his ultimate is his worst ability.
The Minion hunt6 votesI'm pretty sure that volibear is a snowballing tank, but when he falls behind is basically useless.
Rexxiee4 votesVolibear is a bruiser, not a juggernaut.
And hes shit because no shit bruisers are shit.
Ralanr10 voteshttps://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/gameplay/taking-another-look-subclasses
Look under juggernaut and you’ll see Volibear.
Course juggernauts themselves aren’t doing well.
RookPusher1 votesI thought Juggernaughts were defined by a lack of gap-closer
Ralanr6 votesIf you’re thinking of Volibear’s flip, it’s not really a gap closer. It’s just a speed boost that can be weakened very easily.
The only juggernaut I know with a gapcloser is Urgot and he lacks sustaining abilities because of it.
E Man forever1 votesClears throat Shyvana
LordGeovanni2 votesThat would be a bruiser
Zero Skill Tank1 votesIf you consider a haste Voli has a 'gap-closer', than a 'juggernaut' is something that does not exist in this game.
Blackstone011 votesWell, no, there would still be juggernauts without speed boosts/gap closers in their kit.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesActually, there aren't. Every juggernaut has some speed up/gapcloser of some kind. Even Illaoi's W is a tiny gap closer.
statelesskiller1 votestechnically that also means darius ult is a gap closer
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesI suppose, but not really what I meant. I meant his speedup.
...He does get one, right?
Ralanr1 votesDarius?
No. He just pulls you in.
statelesskiller1 votesi mean technically phage is a purchasable speed up?
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesI thought he had a speed-up with his passive...
Blackstone011 votesOld pre-jugg rework passive did. Bleed was magic and gave you %ms per person with bleed on them.
Teridax681 votesDarius used to have that effect, but it's no longer innate to his kit, so he gets it from Phage/Cleaver instead. His ult, however, makes him dash to his target, so even if the distance is tiny, you are still technically correct that he has a gapcloser.
Professor Ward1 votesDarius?
No. He just pulls you in.
ACTIVE: Darius dashes to the target enemy champion and attempts to execute them, dealing true damage, increasing by 0% / 20% / 40% / 60% / 80% / 100%.
Are you sure? Pretty sure that reads as "dashes" guys, just saying.
His pull also gives a 40% slow, while his cripple is a 90% slow.
Ralanr1 votesThe question was if he had a speed up.
He does not.
Zero Skill Tank1 votesjuggernauts without speed boosts/gap closers in their kit
Which is a long way to spell Nasus.
I see no reason to name a class that contains 1 champion, just call him Nasus.
Illâoi Evê Siôn2 votesHe doesn't have a true one, a dash or blink. He just runs somewhat faster. A player once sorted Juggernauts into Raid Bosses and Freight Trains if you're interested in reading up on it.
redniwediS6 votesBruiser, as a term, is not really used anymore. The champions covered by that term are too varied, and fit into three different subclasses under the current system. It's more of a build style than a champion class at the moment.
swanington3 votesI think he's fine. Never had a problem playing with him. To be fair I usually take him support.
Smitemuffin3 votesHis use is to be a sustain battery so champs like 
and 
have something to heal off of when they get bursted low in teamfights.
That's why he's got to put 5 ranks into his E just to get about the same movement speed bonus every similar champ gets with 1 rank and why his slow is so pathetically small.
Hexs Fortune3 votesThey have to change voli in a way that makes him more than Warwick 3.0
Handy Sandy 2 votesUnless your team is supporting you, he's almost impossible to kite. That's one reason to pick him.
nGio1 votesSarcasm? My friends on Curse refer to him as "ol broken legs". He is easy as shit to kite, but no one knows that because no one kites him. Instead, you just blow him up in 1 second, like every juggernaut/bruiser, and most tanks that aren't Ornn or Mao.
Handy Sandy 1 votesI'm really not sure about that. I have memories in lower elos where he could go 1v5 and even when he's against exes/morello he still doesn't go under like 3-4k health. Probably different now I guess.
Makior721 votesHe's a good pick in certain situations, you basically have to know what your team is picking and most of what the enemy team is picking before picking voli would be a good idea. My conditions for picking voli are
If the above conditions are met, voli is a good pick due to his being able to peel very well with his slow + knock up / displacement. Get a frozen mallet on him for even more peel if needed. He's also a very good ganker early on, just make sure you don't gank too much or you will easily fall behind the enemy jungler as he does not clear camps quickly until later in the game.
Hexs Fortune1 votesMost of his ratios are ap. Maybe he's a tanky ap jugg like morde
Illâoi Evê Siôn1 votesMorde has Attack Damage ratios.
ZerglingOne1 votes[{quoted}](name=Xayâh Bôt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=kMrHbowl,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-12-05T19:43:51.844+0000)
Morde has Attack Damage ratios.
Yep, his Q is brutal in terms of AD ratio. He also has the highest base AD in the game.
Also anything with an attack speed buff has a functional AD ratio, as any auto attack DPS they have is multiplied by it.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesHe has AD ratios, yes, but he primarily has AP ratios. 4 AP ratios, and only 2 (3 if you count AAs) AD ratios, and the ones with only AP scalings are his ultimate and his W, both of which heal him.
Professor Ward1 votesHe has AD ratios, yes, but he primarily has AP ratios. 4 AP ratios, and only 2 (3 if you count AAs) AD ratios, and the ones with only AP scalings are his ultimate and his W, both of which heal him.
he primarily has hp ratios, as the only one that actually matters in game is his w
have you guys ever played voli?
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesFam. We're talking about Mordekaiser. Distant HUEHUEHUE
Professor Ward1 votesFam. We're talking about Mordekaiser. Distant HUEHUEHUE
i was referring to the post about "he has mainly ap ratios, maybe hes like morde" comment. Volis ratios are ap for balance reasons, if he were full ad ratios he would/wouldve been overbearing. (according to balance team)
Harden Stepback1 votesThe game has evolve while he stayed the same. It sucks because he used to be one of my favourite champions.
Procella4 votesMeet too! I used to have so much fun jungling with voli. I actually got my first pentakill on him. Oh how the mighty have fallen... [sg-janna]
General Esdeath 1 votesBECAUSE HE DOES THE FLIP AND USES THUNDER AND I SAW TRICK2G PLAY HIM
GATES GATES GATES GATES
help me
Cosnirak1 votesHe needs changes for sure. But just buffing him isn't that simple. He potentially goes from really weak to really strong with minor buffs due to the binary nature of his kit. So his kit needs work before he can get substantial buffs. But that's a lot of work and Riot doesn't have great ways to change his kit on hand. Plus if they're going to change his kit some they should probably give him a full VGU, but that takes a lot of effort and time even if they had good kit changes in mind.
Now do you see why he hasn't been changed much? I suspect minor buffs if he continues to struggle a lot though. Just don't expect an effort by Riot to get him to a ~50% win rate because that's really difficult, not a real goal for any champion, and risky to even attempt.
Poske1 votesWhy would you ever pick him and whats his use?
If you want to lowkey int someone or force a dodge
Antr0p0s1 votesWhich champ are you talking about? There is no such champ with volibear as name.
LegitBusinessman1 votesI mean... i still get toss + chomped for 3/4 of my health and end up permaslowed against this giant bear that i have to kill 1.5 times due to an extremely annoying passive.
I'm not a Voli player by any means but isn't a Voli with righteous glory kinda scary?
