Instead of nerfing Lucian and kaisa

[{quoted}](name=Spank the Fox,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bgbN8IGA,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-20T02:20:16.141+0000)

Line1: Flat AD/AP, 9% Attack Speed, Scaling CDR

Line 2: Flat AD/AP, Armor, MR

Line 3: Scaling health, Armor, MR.

You can get your attack speed and still get 10 armor. Please don’t complain when you’re not up to date with the current changes. It really shows.

1. I am up to date with the changes

2. Most ADC's need the ADAPTIVE FORCE early to assist with last hitting.

Have fun last hitting on a champ like Vayne without the early 6 AD

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=bgbN8IGA,comment-id=00050001000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-20T21:40:40.176+0000)

Mid game is where teamfights start to take over and towers start falling. Post update that is approx 15 minutes in now, and youll have 2-2.5 items by then.

Early game champs spike at 1 item, and start falling off towards 2 because either their spike isnt nearly as good as 2 item late game champs or because theyre bad teamfighters (assassins are garbage in teamfights, for example).

Lucian doesnt have the range to be useful mid-late game unless he gained a massive early game lead. Early game champions scale poorly into mid-late, and need to get an early advantage that is good enough to push to win and clear inhibs before late game champions get enough gold to contest. Your lead becomes irrelevant towards 4 items if you dont have an objective map lead, because 5 and 6 items dont give nearly as much power as the rest.

I think lucian is really close to being 100% balanced. What I don't like is that riot wants to have a very fast paced meta and still keep late game carries viable. They need to pick one of the 2. Either matches are decided by 20 minutes so late game adc should be obsolete or matches hit 5-6 item territory and late game carries are one of(if not the best) the best ways to win the game. I am fine with both of these as long as they stick to one and not a weird mix of both. Trying to force champions in a meta they were not designed to thrive in is just unhealthy. Look at kog for example or sivir, healthy design with very clear downsides and a couple strong points, relevant to strong when the meta suits them and useless in a meta like the one we currently got. If they tried to make kog relevant in a meta where games are decided pre 20 mins most of the time he would end up being busted as fuck because he would be let's say 50% winrate in the games that are decided early but maintain monstrous power should the game drag on for one reason or another.

Let's look at kaisa now, well she has one of the strongest late games because of the way her passive (damage and evolutions) works, how hard she is to pin down with no point click CC and because she can adapt her build in about 3 gazillion ways (seriously she can go and still evolve all her abilities ). She is also pretty good early-midgame (I am talking stormrazor zerker greaves and pickaxe) because she can clean up picks better than any other adc because of her R and because she can sit under a tower with no support and no matter who dives her (1v1 scenario) she has a pretty decent chance to outplay just with an evolved E and the use of her R if the enemy is not severely ahead in items.

I could also avoid typing all that by posing a simple question, "If she is balanced, name an adc with as strong a late game as her and a better and safer early"