Kaisa and Lucian are destroying botlane diversity

Destroying bot lane destroyed bot lane diversity.

Amazingly, when you nerf every single ADC as well as make itemization a crap shoot, you’re not going to have a balance lane.

Why bother picking nearly any other ADC when they can barely do their job will being the easiest class to kill unless you’re playing absolutely perfectly (and even then, it’s just below that)?

Lucian and Kai’Sa are popular because the former has mobility and kiting, the latter because she can afford to build actual defensive items with her AP build.

Riot: We cant allow to be strong or she murders bot lane diversity

Also Riot: This is fine

And if you ban them you get the next worst champs in bot lane.

(((laughs in redhead)))

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If Tristana, Caitlyn, or Kog'Maw became powerful again -- it's rather stifling since Tristanas safety becomes a monstrosity as it massively snowballs, Caitlyns bullying becomes almost insurmountable, and Kog'Maws damage becomes a binary delete button that scales to cover every champion.

Kai'Sa will generally always retain power because her self-peel is insane, just like Tristana, but she is much harder to itemize against and has every tool to carry including damage, invisibility, move speed, hyper dash, shielding, and steroids. Lucian is easier to deal with by just tapping his numbers back again to pre-worlds and seeing where it lands. But I suppose pre-season is upon us, so it doesn't matter.

I would say just put the items back in patch 8.11 state, like Riot actually planned before going back on their word and making it seem like 8.11 never even happened But when you look at their builds, that wouldn't help at all Lucian is strong because he doesn't build the traditional crit build, he takes BORK, Cleaver, usually two crit items, Cannon and IE, followed by GA or Mecurial Scimitar, but even with his builds it still because of his kit to an extent, his passive is strong, his ult gives him a ton of range, and his Q is annoying at times For whatever reason Riot thought it would be a good idea to make Lucian a lane bully, I think it's mostly cleaver that's the problem, maybe BORK as well

As for Kai'sa, Well we all know why that is, Typical overloaded kit, Her shield on her R is too much in my opinion, I think her W and R have too much range, and her passive is free damage along with also stealing Kha'zix's passive But all of that would be at least somewhat ok if you could at least build against her, That split damage is insane, Buildint traditional crit she already shreds, Building crit + AP shreds even more, and full AP is just a nightmare on her You stack armor, her AP gets you, you stack MP, her AD gets you, You build both, well you'll have too little to deal with her damage I have no clue what they were thinking when they made her

I believe Lucian is no way near close of being strong as in season 7

Lucian is fed ? he will dash to you and use his full combo and kill you if you are a squishy because he is a burst type marksman , then his abilities go on cooldowns , sure he can he can right click but his normal basic attacks without his abilities and passive aren't strong as other marskmen and he isn't fast enough to melt tanks

Tristana fed ? Jumps on you from 2 miles away and from a range that is Lucian AA + his dash presses E AA R on you and you die before you can even react then jumps on another one and keeps right clicking because she depends on attack speed which made him one of the most cancerous 1v5 carry champions

Cait got fed ? well she will use her Lucian AA range + his dash range combined " a little but exaggerating " and 2v5 enemy team when she crits with headshots like 1000 hp and can still do it forever decided to all in her ? well she will E away , she has built in traps that help her a lot

I'm not biased towards Lucian or something , not really an adc main , but so far Lucian is the most fair meta between ad carries I played against between adc I main Cait " around 100k points "so yea

I'd rather have Lucian be meta than Kog/Twitch/Trist. Those 3 can go die in a hole.

Kaisa really isnt a powerhouse ever since her nerfs. The only ADC that really has snowball/carry potential is Lucian at the moment, and mostly because he kind of cheats being an ADC by using other items.

I just realised basically has an abridged version of 's ult on a basic ability (invis + empowered auto)...

and are doing well because they have self peel, multi-target damage and don't need crit items/AS to succeed. They can build straight damage and some defence and don't need to worry about scaling for the late game.

Personally, I think they both should get little nerfs to their base AD and little nerfs to their Q ratios. They can afford to lose some damage for how well-rounded they are.

nerf kayle and everyone else who uses rageblade instead of only kai'sa

that will fix her

Probably didn't help Lucian received buffs when he was already in an okay spot, then there's Kai'sa who has everything an adc could only dream to have in their kit: movement speed steroid, attack speed steroid, stealth, long ranged dash, shield, burst, sustained dps, long ranged burst, good wave clear and missing HP damage. I don't see anywhere in her kit that would give her a meaningful weakness to expose or capitalize, as she's able to cover all of them with ease and is rewarded for building AD, AP and/or Attack Speed that having a 525 attack range doesn't really weaken in the slightest.

Her kit is insanely overloaded, and Riot always comments about how hard a champion is to balance because of this (pre-rework Irelia, Ekko, etc), and yet they continue to ship out overloaded champions. I don't fucking understand them anymore. I'm terrified of what the next champion is going to be like.

Don't forget Vayne