Competitive play proved there's no reason to play another melee dps when Fiora exists

FalconPawwwwnch·Jun 12, 2017·54 votes·2,712 views

I really hope instead of just number nerfs they look at her kit as the problem because she's been this way since her rework

116 Comments

SalronJun 12, 201733 votes

Maybe they'll eventually realize %Max HP True damage is a flawed concept

Imo, vitals should deal FLAT True damage + %HP in physical damage if they still wanted to keep the same identity on her without completely changing the damage around

ZerenzaJun 12, 201729 votes

Wrong they deal max HP true damage because if it was flat true damage, she would just burst, the fact she HAS to build full damage to burst now is proof of good design. It's not like she's building full tank and one shoting people, she's a tank shredder, the only reason she does so much to squishies is because of her Full AD build, a lot of AD=A Lot of damage. If anything lifesteal is the issue because she builds full lifesteal as well, and lifesteal has always been kind of teetering on the edge of balance. If at anytime someone who can build full lifesteal becomes to strong, the community goes absolutely insane. We should keep in mind, she hasn't been that strong until Death's Dance was buffed recently. Before she had a balanced winrate of 49% with a fair playrate because she's fun to play.

SalronJun 12, 20174 votes

Fiora was busted before DD and most Fioras still build BT + Hydra I'm not suggesting a huge flat base damage either, because the goal is to lower her damage overall

chipndip1Jun 12, 20173 votes

What Fioras build Titanic Hydra? I'm genuinely curious.

Big LincolnJun 12, 20173 votes

ravenous hydra.

chipndip1Jun 12, 20172 votes

There's nothing wrong with Ravenous Hydra on Fiora...it's the damage one...

MelledoneusJun 12, 20176 votes

She was strong and obnoxious even before just building hydra, too. The nature of her kit lets her get away with many things, including things that would usually be a weakness to someone of her playstyle.

chipndip1Jun 12, 20179 votes

...no, you're wrong.

Master Yi can dodge hard cc with Q.

Yasuo can block projectile hard cc with W.

GP can tank a hit and cleanse it with W.

Tryndamere blatantly doesn't die with R even if he's hard cc'd.

Fiora blocks and counters hard cc with W.

Only skirmisher that doesn't have an answer to lock down like this is Jax. Fiora is completely in line with other skirmishers.

TheorcheroJun 13, 20171 votes

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...no, you're wrong.

Master Yi can dodge hard cc with Q.

Yasuo can block projectile hard cc with W.

GP can tank a hit and cleanse it with W.

Tryndamere blatantly doesn't die with R even if he's hard cc'd.

Fiora blocks and counters ~~hard cc with W.~~ Literally everything, even ultimates and summoner spells while having hefty offensive power even if she blocks nothing in the form of a giant ms and attack speed slow.

Ftfy

chipndip1Jun 13, 20179 votes

Try this again:

Master Yi can DODGE LITERALLY ANYTHING WITH HIS FULL ON UNTARGETABILITY Q.

Yasuo can block LITERALLY ANY PROJECTILE, EVEN ULTS, WITH HIS W.

GP can CLEANSE LITERALLY ANY CC IN THE GAME WHILE HEALING HIMSELF WITH A FREAKING FRUIT WITH HIS W.

Tryndamere LIVES LITERALLY ANYTHING IN THE GAME, EVEN WHILE BEING CC'D BY ANYTHING IN THE GAME.

Fiora blocks and counters ~~hard cc with W.~~** Literally everything, even ultimates and summoner spells while having hefty offensive power even if she blocks nothing in the form of a giant ms and attack speed slow.**

It's still within the realms of everyone else's shit.

Champion SkinJun 13, 20173 votes

Master Yi can DODGE LITERALLY ANYTHING WITH HIS FULL ON UNTARGETABILITY Q

It is impossible to avoid targeted abilities with no travel time like Ignite and fiddle drain and if fiddle has already cast drain Yi has to move out of range with Q for it to break if not it will stay on

GP can CLEANSE LITERALLY ANY CC IN THE GAME WHILE HEALING HIMSELF WITH A FREAKING FRUIT WITH HIS W.

Yes and no.... he can cleanse knock ups but he still can't move without using flash so it doesn't help that much.... (Yasuo R and Nami Q are not knock ups they are suspension effects)

Tryndamere LIVES LITERALLY ANYTHING IN THE GAME, EVEN WHILE BEING CC'D BY ANYTHING IN THE GAME.

Assuming he has his ult off cooldown (it has a lot longer cooldown compared with basic abilities) and that Tryndamere activates it in time.... too early and he wastes some of the duration and too late he might die to burst

Hinagiku33Jun 13, 20175 votes

If Fiora parries Ignite it is 100% pure luck. Ignite is instant cast and targeted. It's your fault for clicking Fiora during her parry. Either use it at the start of the fight (literally before anything else so she has no reason to parry) or right after she gets out of her parry animation.

Fiddlesticks drain is broken by anything that interrupts channels.

GP can cleanse CC after it is applied while Fiora prevents CC from happening. It's no different than throwing out your big knock-up ability at an Olaf and him ulting to become immune during the travel time. It's accounted for in her kit and you need to play around it - fail to do so and you will obviously lose.

Please don't defend Tryndamere. His ult is far worse than Fiora's entire kit and is the reason he is being kept intentionally weak until Riot decides what to do for his rework.

Champion SkinJun 13, 20172 votes

Please don't defend Tryndamere. His ult is far worse than Fiora's entire kit and is the reason he is being kept intentionally weak until Riot decides what to do for his rework.

For the most part Kayle ult is a better Tryndamere ult... it has 10 seconds less cooldown can be used on allies and prevents damage so it can be used to negate burst damage on top of also granting the damage immunity for up to 3 second which means the target still benefit from healing/regen/life steal while for Tryndamere it likely doesn't do much as he just lose the HP again to damage Outside of their ults they are both auto attackers but Kayle gains range and AoE while Tryndamere is stuck as melee but with higher single target damage

If Fiora parries Ignite it is 100% pure luck. Ignite is instant cast and targeted. It's your fault for clicking Fiora during her parry

Fiora can just parry after ignite/DoT has already been cast as Fiora parry prevents all non-turret damage during her W... which includes DoT's which have already been applied

chipndip1Jun 13, 20174 votes

The point here is that unless you're nit-picking to holy hell and back, all skirmishers have rather powerful mechanics in regards to dealing with cc temporarily. Fiora isn't special in this regard, nor is she "out of line".

TheorcheroJun 13, 20171 votes

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Try this again:

Master Yi can DODGE LITERALLY ANYTHING WITH HIS FULL ON UNTARGETABILITY Q.

Yasuo can block LITERALLY ANY PROJECTILE, EVEN ULTS, WITH HIS W.

GP can CLEANSE LITERALLY ANY CC IN THE GAME WHILE HEALING HIMSELF WITH A FREAKING FRUIT WITH HIS W.

Tryndamere LIVES LITERALLY ANYTHING IN THE GAME, EVEN WHILE BEING CC'D BY ANYTHING IN THE GAME.

Fiora blocks and counters ~~hard cc with W.~~** Literally everything, even ultimates and summoner spells while having hefty offensive power even if she blocks nothing in the form of a giant ms and attack speed slow.**

It's still within the realms of everyone else's shit.

Oh please, that isn't even an argument as your examples are shit comparisons.

chipndip1Jun 13, 20173 votes

NOW I get it: You're a GP main, so of course you don't think your free reactive cleanse + heal is as valuable as a counter you can blatantly miss. My bad, I thought I was talking to someone worth talking to, not some biased individual.

TheorcheroJun 13, 20171 votes

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NOW I get it: You're a GP main, so of course you don't think your free reactive cleanse + heal is as valuable as a counter you can blatantly miss. My bad, I thought I was talking to someone worth talking to, not some biased individual.

GP orange doesn't negate knockups. It doesn't remove ignite, or summoner spell damage reduction.

Master Yi Q Is WAY harder to use and has a much smaller window, and even then it doesn't block any aoe or dot effects. Fiora's does.

Yasuo's W is equally bullshit, but at least he doesn't have % max hp true damage (though he has the same issue of bullying most matchups early while outscaling them)

Tryndamere gets kited, cced, and bursted; on top of this, his ult has an unintentional delay on it.

Not to mention, none of those abilities have a hefty attack speed and movement speed slow - even if she blocks nothing. It's a crutch that was added as hidden power to help Fiora players learn her, so she was stronger in less than optimal cases.

You don't have an argument.

chipndip1Jun 13, 20173 votes

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GP orange doesn't negate knockups. It doesn't remove ignite, or summoner spell damage reduction.

And Fiora's W doesn't do jack shit unless you properly predict or react to incoming attacks. If you get hit, you take full damage with no way out. GP can take a high cd ult disable and just cleanse. But Fiora's is worse because GP's is balanced, right? RIGHT? That's what you're getting at, right?

Master Yi Q Is WAY harder to use and has a much smaller window, and even then it doesn't block any aoe or dot effects. Fiora's does.

Master Yi's Q also complements his insane damage output when he gets online, and auto-attacking puts it on an even lower cd than it already is, which is already lower than Fiora's. To boot, he has his W which gives damage reduction and healing to incoming burst, so he technically has 2 defensive maneuvers to use.

Yasuo's W is equally bullshit, but at least he doesn't have % max hp true damage (though he has the same issue of bullying most matchups early while outscaling them)

He's a mid-game carry. Late game picks like GP, Fiora, and Yi have true damage.

Tryndamere gets kited, cced, and bursted; on top of this, his ult has an unintentional delay on it.

The point is that his ult is probably the least healthy mechanic in the game bar none. It just blatantly lets him remove all consequence from his actions for X seconds while he does anything he desires, and he can activate it while being cc'd as long as the player isn't jacking off instead of paying attention, thus is why he's intentionally kept rather weak as a champion.

Not to mention, none of those abilities have a hefty attack speed and movement speed slow - even if she blocks nothing. It's a crutch that was added as hidden power to help Fiora players learn her, so she was stronger in less than optimal cases.

Or its some compensation just in case she didn't land the stun? Or it's the fact that those other abilities, save Yi's Alpha Strike, aren't even attacks to hit someone with in the first place? Trynd has a damage reducing + speed reducing taunt, but Fiora's attack speed reducing + MS reducing/stun skill shot counter is the broken one? It's even a fucking skill shot. You actually could just dodge it.

You're just biased.

TheorcheroJun 14, 20171 votes

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And Fiora's W doesn't do jack shit unless you properly predict or react to incoming attacks. If you get hit, you take full damage with no way out. GP can take a high cd ult disable and just cleanse. But Fiora's is worse because GP's is balanced, right? RIGHT? That's what you're getting at, right?

You act like reacting to incoming abilities is hard. It's not. It can block anything - even summoner spells, and that's fucking retarded. On top of this, GP W is his only defensive mechanism, besides playing around barrels. It doesn't heal much unless he's really low, and he's super squishy so it's easy to burst him with most champions that have burst damage.

Master Yi's Q also complements his insane damage output when he gets online, and auto-attacking puts it on an even lower cd than it already is, which is already lower than Fiora's. To boot, he has his W which gives damage reduction and healing to incoming burst, so he technically has 2 defensive maneuvers to use.

He cannot itemize too well with lifesteal, while Fiora does. In addition to this, Tank fiora is also viable when against a lot of tanks because she doesn't require ad to deal damage.

Master Yi's damage reduction, which is relatively low early levels, requires him to sit still which leaves him vulnerable to CC.

He's a mid-game carry. Late game picks like GP, Fiora, and Yi have true damage.

So you're saying Yasuo lategame is bad? What? He bullies and outscales most champions, as does Fiora, as did GP and it's why he got nerfed hard.

The point is that his ult is probably the least healthy mechanic in the game bar none. It just blatantly lets him remove all consequence from his actions for X seconds while he does anything he desires, and he can activate it while being cc'd as long as the player isn't jacking off instead of paying attention, thus is why he's intentionally kept rather weak as a champion.

Ehh not really. Tryndamere is highly vulnerable to being kited and to CC, which is why he will almost never group and teamfight. The most "unhealthy" interaction his ult has is when he's just able to tower dive a squishy top laner.

Or its some compensation just in case she didn't land the stun? Or it's the fact that those other abilities, save Yi's Alpha Strike, aren't even attacks to hit someone with in the first place? Trynd has a damage reducing + speed reducing taunt, but Fiora's attack speed reducing + MS reducing/stun skill shot counter is the broken one? It's even a fucking skill shot. You actually could just dodge it.

WHY DOES SHE NEED COMPENSATION FOR NOT BLOCKING ANYTHING? Is it not ENOUGH that it blocks LITERALLY every ability in the game, even summoner spells, if she uses it correctly? WHY should she receive compensation in the form of a massive attack speed and movement speed slow? You know Lee had his slow straight up removed because it made it so you couldn't fight or flee?

You're just biased.

Lol sure man, you're the one bringing up 5 other champions which are not comparable in a vain excuse to justify the retarded amount of unnecessary offensive power on her W.

And I haven't even gone into the Vital system, which tends to force you to play so defensively because she can proc the vital with minimal effort and you can't retaliate due to her W.

She bullies top laners while simultaneously outscaling them. That shouldn't be tolerated.

chipndip1Jun 14, 20172 votes

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You act like reacting to incoming abilities is hard. It's not.

Then why don't you play her and blast to Master? Just because Fiora isn't a bearded pirate doesn't mean she's magically easy to play.

He cannot itemize too well with lifesteal, while Fiora does. In addition to this, Tank fiora is also viable when against a lot of tanks because she doesn't require ad to deal damage.

Tank Fiora has been nerfed out of the game ages ago.
Yes, Master Yi does just fine with a few life steal items. He always gets one or two.

Master Yi's damage reduction, which is relatively low early levels, requires him to sit still which leaves him vulnerable to CC.

CC he can potentially dodge with Q. Like, is there a problem with a move having weaknesses? You think because Fiora gets a counter that EVERY SKIRMISHER should get one or Fiora just doesn't deserve one? If you bait Fio's counter, it goes on a long cd + she's a sitting duck for cc as soon as the charge animation's done. Why not do that instead of whining over the move's strengths. Jesus, you guys are bigger babies than new wave fighting game players.

So you're saying Yasuo lategame is bad? What? He bullies and outscales most champions, as does Fiora, as did GP and it's why he got nerfed hard.

Yasuo's late game pales in comparison to nearly any marksman, some hyper scaling mages like Veigar, Kayle (?), and Cass, and some skirmishers (Jax, Fiora, GP, Yi). GP got nerfed because he was just raking in dough all over the map with his ult in order to scale while not being weak enough in lane to compensate for his fallback money making plan.

Ehh not really. Tryndamere is highly vulnerable to being kited and to CC, which is why he will almost never group and teamfight. The most "unhealthy" interaction his ult has is when he's just able to tower dive a squishy top laner.

They left him this weak in team fights because his ult is fundamentally broken. The rest of his game play is balanced around his ridiculous ult, just like Kayle's is balanced around her ridiculous E.

WHY DOES SHE NEED COMPENSATION FOR NOT BLOCKING ANYTHING? Is it not ENOUGH that it blocks LITERALLY every ability in the game, even summoner spells, if she uses it correctly? WHY should she receive compensation in the form of a massive attack speed and movement speed slow? You know Lee had his slow straight up removed because it made it so you couldn't fight or flee?

Because you can also dodge the attack. The move is a skill shot. She gets compensation for hitting you with a skill shot.

Lol sure man, you're the one bringing up 5 other champions which are not comparable in a vain excuse to justify the retarded amount of unnecessary offensive power on her W.

Those are other champions in her sub-class. This community sure has a fetish with this "not comparable" argument.

And I haven't even gone into the Vital system, which tends to force you to play so defensively because she can proc the vital with minimal effort and you can't retaliate due to her W.

You're a GP main. You're always on defense in lane.

She bullies top laners while simultaneously outscaling them. That shouldn't be tolerated.

She bullies tanks, but she gets bullied by other types of top laners unless she straight out-skills you, which is the point of her design, so I don't see the issue.

LordOfTheLeagueJun 12, 20175 votes

I agree so much, they should just rework life steal.

I think it shouldn't be hp from damage but more a flat value (that scale per level).

The current lifesteal mechanic should remain on one or 2 items as a low value unique stat.

They should probably bring back spellvamp and make it work the same way so that it scale more with cdr than with damage (for spammers).

Both stats shouldn't work with aoe unless an unique passive allow the mechanic.

No matter what, lifesteal need a tone down in general.

ZerenzaJun 12, 20175 votes

Once again, it can't be a flat value, if it was her lanning phase would be even stronger against them. Then we'd see her built as an assassin to burst squishies instead of a melee carry to teamfight. She builds Lifesteal, Some Health, Damage and maybe one resistance item if she needs it and that's completely fair. A year ago, she was building full tank because her damage was way to high, and yes that was cancer, but she isn't doing it now because her damage was nerfed pretty hard since then, it's really the changes to Death's Dance and GA that make her so strong right now.

cocacolalipsJun 12, 20171 votes

she doesn't build full damage, she builds bruiser-ish, that's one part of the problem.

full damage is stuff like infinity edge, zeal items, lethality.. Fiora doesn't build any of this stuff, she builds a bloody Black Cleaver that grants 400 health, a whole bunch of items with mixed damage and utility (lifesteal), a Guardian Angel and even stuff like a Spirit Visage for even more healing and health.

Tryndamere has to build full damage, Master Yi has to build full damage (his most effective build at least), Fiora doesn't. You can easily kill a Tryndamere or a Master Yi because they build full damage. You can't easily kill Fiora because she doesn't build full damage and instead has a whole bunch of utility & defensive stats.

If Fiora was forced to build stuff like Infinity Edge, then maybe she would be more fair, as it stands, she is a pseudo juggernaut who hops around the battlefield like the mad rabbit from the raving rabbids franchise instagibbing everything on sight, carries and tanks alike with some max health true damage bullsh!t. She instagibs tanks under their turrets missing half the vitals for god sake. https://youtu.be/FWpuoYcX9Ns?t=3m23s (Nautilus has 300+ armor and 3K+ health here) She puts Darius and every other juggernaut to shame for how superior she is to them in every way.

She is also completely broken in every RGM, further accentuating how bonkers she is. RMGs don't invent strengths, they exacerbate them. Her kit is fundamentally broken. She needs cooldown nerfs, she needs damage nerfs, she needs mana cost nerfs, her vitals mechanic needs to be gutted one way or another, her damage ratios need to be changed so she has to build actual damage stuff instead of this bruiser-ish nonsense.

ZerenzaJun 12, 20175 votes

Your overuse of Hyperbole's make me ignore you completely.

cocacolalipsJun 13, 20171 votes

There is no hyperbole in my comment above, simply basic facts supported by a simple video from a pro game and accurate statistics from RGMs. It's the literal truth.

You are ignoring the post because you are wrong, and you can't refute it, rofl. You can't refute the truth. You have better chances arguing the sun isn't yellow.

I mean, If you wanna talk about it, it's now because she is getting gutted either way next patch and the following ones until she is no longer pick/ban material in competitive play haha.

ZerenzaJun 13, 20174 votes

Okay then, let me humor you.

You say she build's Bruiser-ish, taking a lot of Defensive stats. Well the first thing you have to realize is she doesn't, she builds a resistance item like any other fighter, Riven for example build almost exactly the same as her. It should also be noted that AD itemization has A LOT of resistances in general, but fiora has a tendency to get only one item that gives a resistance and that's Guardian Angel, if she has to she'll get Maw of Malmortius, the same as any other AD champion in the game. The rest of her build consists of Damage and Life Steal.

item 3071 item 3812 item 3074 item 3072 item 3026 item 3111

This is the most common full build for fiora, as you can see all of these items(exception being boots) give damage, she builds very little resistance's in her core build but these next items are item's she'll build if she has too.

item 3156 item 3036 item 3033 item 3065

It's very rare to see her pick up anymore than 1 of these item's in a game, if she's extremely far behind though she will pick up a Titanic Hydra instead and build tanky, but every fighter does that so it's not really a big deal, not to mention she is a VERY ineffective tank due to the base on her Passive Vital's being too low and scaling with AD, if she builds no damage, she does no damage.

https://na.op.gg/champion/fiora/statistics/top

I want you to read through this and tell me what she's strong against and what she's weak against. She's strong against what she was DESIGNED to be strong against, Tank's and Juggernauts, but it should be noted that Illaoi, Darius and Yorick, the three best juggernauts, only have a 52% lose rate against her, which isn't enough to warrant her countering them, it just mean's she a tad stronger right now due to item changes(namely Death's Dance).

It should also be noted she loses against thing's she WASN'T designed to defeat, this means any Ranged top laner has a fair match up against her, in addition she loses to most if not all AP top laner's, Top Lane Talon because he can burst her(she isn't tanky). And finally Pantheon because his early game is very powerful and he'll stomp her in lane about 58% of the time.

Finally, she isn't completely broken, if she were completely broken then for the past year she would be dominating the meta time and time again but this hasn't happened but for the last month. The changes to her core Item's are what caused this sudden shift in her power, she isn't broken and you need to calm down.

kasfasJun 12, 20171 votes

flat true damage that scales with ad. we've already seen tank fiora been busted in pro play.

Fiora is also a reason we cant play tanks, she just makes them unable to lane not that they have no damage.

chipndip1Jun 12, 20174 votes

Flat true damage that scales with AD will, ONCE AGAIN, fucking burst squishies. She's a carry, so no, she's not supposed to get infinitely walled by tanks.

TheorcheroJun 13, 20172 votes

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Flat true damage that scales with AD will, ONCE AGAIN, fucking burst squishies. She's a carry, so no, she's not supposed to get infinitely walled by tanks.

Then explain why she's allowed to bully them hard in lane and outscale them, while being impossible to lock down with key cc, you know the whole purpose of tanks? And it's not like the tanks in lane have ANY option to avoid being bullied out of lane, because it doesn't matter if they start doran's shield or cloth armor they'll still get their shit kicked in with obnoxious true damage and a mobile ability that will proc it even through minions.

chipndip1Jun 13, 20172 votes

Here's the thing: Similar to Vayne, Fiora's a carry that specializes in 1v1 fighting and tank busting. You, someone playing a tank, are complaining that a tank busting pick is hurting you. What do you want her to do, give you the lane for free? Pick a juggernaut? Pick an early game fighter? Jayce maybe? Hell, even another skirmisher? Just don't pick into her strongest match-ups?

Even then it isn't impossible to address Fiora in the lane, otherwise she'd have ridiculous win rates, but LeagueofGraphs has her at like...eh...51% range (little less as of writing) with win rate/games played being around 57%, which is average.

You guys just don't want to see a melee carry BE a melee carry, no matter what Riot does. Yasuo, GP, Fiora, whoever...doesn't matter. We probably shouldn't even have 'em.

PermabannedGarenJun 12, 201716 votes

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I really hope instead of just number nerfs they look at her kit as the problem because she's been this way since her rework

You have it backwards. It isn't Fiora's kit that's the problem. It's the vast majority of melee DPS champions having broken kits that can't be allowed to be competitively viable that's the problem.

You think reworking Fiora is going to put cancer like Jax back into competitive play? Or Xin Zhao? Or Tryndamere?

ZerenzaJun 12, 20174 votes

Yeah there are very few up-to-date diver's that can compete with her, most of them are very far behind. Infact i believe the last fighter/diver we got was Camille and she saw plenty of LCS play aswel, she's really the only one that can compete with Fiora.

The buff to Death's Dance is honestly a major problem as well, before fiora built full damage+lifesteal, still built death's dance but her lane phase was pretty meh, now it's better(probably because the meta demands a tank shredder.) and death's dance buff's make her really hard to deal with.

chipndip1Jun 12, 20174 votes

Fiora isn't a diver.

zaire90Jun 13, 20172 votes

good thing shes not a diver but a skirmisher now think of all the skirmishers that can compete with her

AirKingNeoJun 12, 201711 votes

Jax

Cancer

Choose one.

PermabannedGarenJun 12, 20173 votes

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Choose one.

Don't need to, his design is cancer and he'll never be allowed to be competitively viable while he exists in his current state. Don't worry little guy. He'll get his rework eventually.

AirKingNeoJun 13, 20173 votes

And what part of Jax's design is cancer?

His passive? No, that gives him midgame and also forces Thornmail to make him outscaled by tanks.

His Q? Too basic.

His W? No, it's just damage and an AA reset. It being magic? It's not even % HP damage, meaning it's pretty shit.

His E? Maybe, but it is his only defensive ability and on a decently long cooldown.

His R passive? No, just damage and not even % HP.

His R active? It's just a bandaid fix, but not cancerous.

Champion SkinJun 12, 20173 votes

There is also Kled which is a melee DPS which is seeing some competitively play in top lane There are also some other fighters but most of them are a bit more burst focused rather than DPS

NoraverJun 12, 201715 votes

A) Hitting a vital shouldn't heal her B) Vitals shouldn't be appearing every two f*cking seconds.

You literally cannot play against her as another melee champion; she'll parry every single skill you have, poke you for true damage and walk away with more HP than she started with. Not to mention, once she gets Hydra she's basically unkillable with that lifesteal.

DunkinNoobsJun 12, 20172 votes

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A) Hitting a vital shouldn't heal her B) Vitals shouldn't be appearing every two f*cking seconds.

You literally cannot play against her as another melee champion; she'll parry every single skill you have, poke you for true damage and walk away with more HP than she started with. Not to mention, once she gets Hydra she's basically unkillable with that lifesteal.

I shit Fioras with Aatrox. Give me a fucking break dude; most duelists and bruisers beat Fiora 1v1 until late game if you don't eat Q poke for free the entire laning phase and throw your CC right into her W.

General Esdeath Jun 12, 20177 votes

What decent Fiora gets hit by Aatrox's Q or E?

DunkinNoobsJun 12, 20176 votes

Apparently a lot of them considering I'm playing against diamond Fioras.

5000000000000000Jun 12, 20171 votes

They don't riposte your Q's?

DunkinNoobsJun 13, 20172 votes

Not if I force her to Riposte without using Q or don't Q directly on top of her.

General Esdeath Jun 13, 20171 votes

She shouldn't be getting hit by E either with her Q dash

DunkinNoobsJun 13, 20172 votes

If she uses her Q to dodge E, I'm all inning her immediately. Her Q cd is like 12 seconds early game if she doesn't get the reset and she has no prayer of beating me without it.

General Esdeath Jun 13, 20171 votes

She can just use it to slide to a minion. And if you're using E into the wave she can farm under tower.

DunkinNoobsJun 13, 20172 votes

I'm impressed if she can manage to Q into a minion and dodge my E when I know that's what she's trying to do.

All of this is pointless anyway. You're arguing your hypothetical against my actual experience, and that means you lose by default. And no, you don't get to dismiss me by saying that literally every Fiora I face is bad.