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I checked this Zac stats and whole game he had 0 AP, ZERO FUCKING AP, and look damage hes done through this game, almost same ammount that our carries.
Why does hes even allowed to deal such insane damage? When i was fighting him, his W was dealing around 700 damage accoding to death recap, da fuck is this even?
NoPaxt8 votesSmall amounts of AoE damage to everything adds up...
Abyssphere4 votesBecause if your DPS is 1000 but you die in 2 seconds, you do the same damage as someone whose DPS is 100 but they stay alive for 20 seconds. This is what happened here.
Penns1 votesAlmost, just that if a carries dps is 1000 but they die in 2s, Poppys dps is 800 but she stays alive for 40s Kappa
Abyssphere3 votesWell if that's the case then it's out of line, sure, but I'm just explaining the general theory behind tanks having very high end game damage totals. They hit people a lot before they go down, that's kind of it.
Zelorxon4 votesOh that's pretty simple, it's because their damage is not "how hard i can hit" but "how many spells do i manage to get in trough my survivability as tank".
If you paid attention in your math class you would know.
Silly Neeko3 votesZac every time he gets a blob gets hp back and reduces cooldown on his W. His W is a low damage aoe % hp magic damage. Cinderhulk helps increase the aoe. His E is AOE. his Q is AOE. his ultimate is AOE.
Thats like asking why Teemo can build full tank and do most damage. Shrooms upon shrooms upon shrooms upon shrooms upon shrooms.
Tukan Tonko3 votesZac scales with HP, does %HP damage and have AoE on every single spell. and since he was tank, he could fight longer, doing even more and more damage.
PiVoRx1 votesBut isnt this busted, to be indestructable and pack most of your team damage at the same time?
Its like, why you should even bother picking any dps champion if pure tank can do as much damage but live forever.
Tukan Tonko1 votesBut isnt this busted, to be indestructable and pack most of your team damage at the same time?
Its like, why you should even bother picking any dps champion if pure tank can do as much damage but live forever.
Key words are - AoE damage and long fights.
Yes, Zac may have a lot of damage, but without AP he can't really burst you like assassin. And if you are tank he will do little to no damage to you. ADc on the other hand have high sustained damage and in long fights they will outdamage Zac no matter what. They also have means to deal with tanks in form of penetration. Zac may do damage, but it takes a long time, that's why he can do it. You can still do a lot more as ADc to him.
Ralanr2 votesThere is no Poppy. There is only Zac.
PiVoRx1 votesI had alot of games with full tank Poppy doing top damage, just not this one, im sure i will get another one soon cause it happens very often.
Ralanr2 votesSurprisingly, tanks can hurt. Especially when they last long in a fight.
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2382809032/212142416?tab=overview
Case in point.
Hammermancer3 votesThere is no Poppy. There is only Zac.
THERE IS ONLY ZAC
Hammermancer1 voteswell for one, with exception to katarina, every singe one of those enemy players is pretty AAcentric and he had a thornmail
AOE adds up as stated above
he was jg, so he probably ganked more (See his assists?) which means he fought more often, not just trades, fights
PiVoRx1 votesthornmail was his last item
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well for one, with exception to katarina, every singe one of those enemy players is pretty AAcentric and he had a thornmail
AOE adds up as stated above
he was jg, so he probably ganked more (See his assists?) which means he fought more often, not just trades, fights
Junglers do less damage on average than laners do.
Hammermancer1 votesJunglers do less damage on average than laners do.
Its no secret that zac is a bit busted but i can see this logically given how his kit works
thornmail was his last item
But if he's the one who goes in first (Since he's the tank with an initiate) I can see him getting more auto attacks hitting him, but since he's the tankiest i can also see him living the longest in a team fight
so i think he probably just plays well but the champ could probably use some number crunching
A tank should in theory be able to do a lot of damage if they live long enough to do it, which is why you build more tank..
I'd also like to state that the taric was clearly trash, when i taric i outdamage my ad carry most of the time :P
but i only pick taric when everyone on the enemy team is ad.... and then im walking in a taric wonderland
Jinzo Torrance1 votesGotta love Poppy:
Reworked from assassin to tank.
Builds Sunfire but outrades, outpush, outfarms, outdamages and outanks anyone in top lane.
Hammermancer1 votesGotta love Poppy:
Reworked from assassin to tank.
Builds Sunfire but outrades, outpush, outfarms, outdamages and outanks anyone in top lane.
not sure why there are any games without a poppy in them, but there are a lot of games without a poppy
I'd personally rather fight a yasuo
Penns2 votesWhat are u talking about? Completely balanced for Poppy to build tank items and oneshot me because having high damage on tank items is 100% fair xd
Ralanr2 votesAnd yet you couldn't one shot Garen.
Penns1 votesGaren is the same thing, but the 
Poppy could actually 100-50 burst me in 1 combo last game when we were about even in lane as Riven lol.
Of course my full combo with a Black Cleaver didnt even scratch her, good thing I got carried by my team tho FeelsGoodMan
Ralanr2 votesWelp Riven is squishy as fuck with no lane sustain and no armor. That Q is pretty much true damage without armor.
Build armor.
Penns1 votesWell sadly there isnt 1 armor item in the game that would make sense on Riven, especially not before 4-5 other items.
Ralanr1 votesSunfire, deadmans.
If you're losing lane you counter build. That's your punishment for losing lane. A later power spike.
Silly Neeko1 votesWell sadly there isnt 1 armor item in the game that would make sense on Riven, especially not before 4-5 other items.
Two words.
Gaurdian. Angel.
Your welcome.
Penns1 votesYeah "not before 4-5 other items".. I wont rush GA after Black Cleaver against a Poppy lol
Silly Neeko1 votesYeah "not before 4-5 other items".. I wont rush GA after Black Cleaver against a Poppy lol
Why not? Armor and magic resist, no extra hp for her Q, her passive does magic damage, her "bouncey all bounces" is magic damage, and the rest is AD....... I mean it only makes sense.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesYou don't have to rush it.
Just sit on Chain Vest until late-game.
EndlessSorcerer3 votesIf need be, just build a Chain Vest and sit on it until late-game.
At that point, you can either sell it or build it into Guardian Angel.
Berserknurple1 votesLet me tell you a secret:
If you're getting out traded in lane by a champion that has zero penetration and horrible ad scalings/aren't going to build more ad, it DOES make sense to build a Dead Man's or a sun fire. A single armor + health or straight armor item will reduce her damage by almost 50% and allow you to survive their ADC longer.
Extra bonus if you picked Dead Man's, you can now roam better, get picks better, and escape better. All things a Riven needs to do.
How the fuck does a second or third damage item help you if you can't get off more than two combos? You'll end up doing more damage by staying alive longer.
Crazy, I know.
grug1 voteszac and poppy both do %hp damage i believe
with decent base scalings.
KAYLE TURBO INT1 votesbecause its fair and balanced that utility tanks with large gap closers / mobility shutdowns / cc also do as much dmg as everyone who can barely hurt them till 5 - 6 items
VoraciousX1 votesWhy even do that when you can have the best of both worlds, a shielding support with between 30-50% shield+heal power and locket/redemption. Now you can build full damage and have the HP of a tank thanks to your support.
Genocide Victim1 votesIt's called Riot being shit at their jobs.
