Kayle needs a rework.... Or a nerf.

DropFill·May 26, 2016·2 votes·1,413 views

57% win ratio at top lane on the 15-50 games spectrum. Her kit is extremely binary. You can't play melee champions into her. You can't play assassins.

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DefendedMay 26, 20162 votes

Where. Where is this 57% win rate. Show me proof.

kayle is a shit champion atm. Shes just ''balanced''.

She cant build high health if she does than she has no damage. She cant go straight damage because if she does she has 1.8k health.

Literally facestomps people who dont know how to wait out her E Her Q does no damage.

DropFillMay 26, 20161 votes

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Where. Where is this 57% win rate. Show me proof.

kayle is a shit champion atm. Shes just ''balanced''.

She cant build high health if she does than she has no damage. She cant go straight damage because if she does she has 1.8k health.

Literally facestomps people who dont know how to wait out her E Her Q does no damage.

She goes straight damage because in any case, she can just ult herself. Her E has no CD pretty much after stinger. Early game, the CD is like what, 4s?

DefendedMay 26, 20161 votes

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She goes straight damage because in any case, she can just ult herself. Her E has no CD pretty much after stinger. Early game, the CD is like what, 4s?

Off the start it is a 16 second cooldown.

She will have 1.8k health with full build. If you cant burn through 1.8k health late game then there is something wrong.

If shes ulting herself then you dont have to worry about their ADC because kayle is not a tank. Kayle goes top. That means there is nobody in their front line . Who they going to have to stop your team. Braum supp Elise jg?

Kayle fucks up team comps. So does riven

DropFillMay 26, 20161 votes

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Off the start it is a 16 second cooldown.

She will have 1.8k health with full build. If you cant burn through 1.8k health late game then there is something wrong.

If shes ulting herself then you dont have to worry about their ADC because kayle is not a tank. Kayle goes top. That means there is nobody in their front line . Who they going to have to stop your team. Braum supp Elise jg?

Kayle fucks up team comps. So does riven

Except riven has close to no utility, she is just unfun to play against and with

DefendedMay 27, 20161 votes

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Except riven has close to no utility, she is just unfun to play against and with

''Riven has close to no utility ''

I was giving you an example of ''They fuck up team comps''. Not comparing utility

As in they are both not tanks..... You literally ignored my whole paragraph

SithesisLordMay 27, 20161 votes

She will have 1.8k health with full build.

Over 2k health really. 2155, if you want to be specific. 2555 if she gets Rylai's, which, almost always, she does.

If shes ulting herself then you dont have to worry about their ADC because kayle is not a tank.

She's a Fighter. Fighters usually have some form of sustain or natural off tankiness. And no, they won´t have to worry about the ADC, just the Kayle doing just as much if not more damage than the ADC.

Kayle's easy to get out of sticky situations late game because both her slow and her heal will be on low CD. And she's far from fucking up team comps. In fact, she's a bit like Orianna. People tend to build comps around her. And while turrets are still made of paper mache, despite buffs, she can easily chunk them down early on with just a stinger. And after she gets Nashor's and Zerker's Greaves.

DefendedMay 27, 20161 votes

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Over 2k health really. 2155, if you want to be specific. 2555 if she gets Rylai's, which, almost always, she does.

She's a Fighter. Fighters usually have some form of sustain or natural off tankiness. And no, they won´t have to worry about the ADC, just the Kayle doing just as much if not more damage than the ADC.

Kayle's easy to get out of sticky situations late game because both her slow and her heal will be on low CD. And she's far from fucking up team comps. In fact, she's a bit like Orianna. People tend to build comps around her. And while turrets are still made of paper mache, despite buffs, she can easily chunk them down early on with just a stinger. And after she gets Nashor's and Zerker's Greaves.

You dont get rylais on kayle. Striaght ap does nothing for her.

Kayle is too squishy. A tank will melt her. The only defensive thing she can buy is witts end

Kayle is not a problem. Shes extremely easy to gank..

Ryze is a problem.. Kindred.. Lucian ezreal brand.. Maokao. Not kayle

SithesisLordMay 27, 20161 votes

You dont get rylais on kayle. Striaght ap does nothing for her.

Huh, must be why Nashor's, Guinsoo's and Rylai's are built on her.

Kayle is too squishy. A tank will melt her.

The fact i can solo Malphite and Poppy be it early, mid or late game proves you wrong.

The only defensive thing she can buy is witts end

Situational item. Either get that or Rylai's.

Kayle is not a problem. Shes extremely easy to gank.

Yes and no.

Kayle's far from being a problem. She just synergizes too well with three extremely niche items. Nashor's, Wit's End and Guinsoo's.

DefendedMay 27, 20161 votes

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Huh, must be why Nashor's, Guinsoo's and Rylai's are built on her.

The fact i can solo Malphite and Poppy be it early, mid or late game proves you wrong.

Situational item. Either get that or Rylai's.

Yes and no.

Kayle's far from being a problem. She just synergizes too well with three extremely niche items. Nashor's, Wit's End and Guinsoo's.

You dont build Rylais on kayle. If you do your damage wont be high. I dont remember soloing poppy or malphite especially as kayle. you must be pretty fed to do that.

Witts end is usually built when there is AP. 400 health wont do you anything if you have no armor or MR... I build witts end on shen even... It stacks with kayles passive of MR shred. / steal

''Yes and no'' What does yes and no mean. Its one or the other. She doesnt synergize with any items except nashors.

. As a old kayle main im sure im more than backed up on saying kayle is weak atm. People just run into her E np and absolutely dont know how to fight her.

Even if you dont agree with ANYTHING i have to say just know she has a 4% play rate so her being ''op'' whataever.. You'll see her 4 out of 100 games.

Just play her and you'll see that shes not op at all. gl

SithesisLordMay 28, 20161 votes

You dont build Rylais on kayle. If you do your damage wont be high.

Ummm, Kayle isn´t an assassin. She needs something to help her get people away or to help her catch up to people. Rylai's does that. Going high AP on Kayle is worse than building ANY AP on Riven.

I dont remember soloing poppy or malphite especially as kayle. you must be pretty fed to do that.

Just ahead on CS by like 10 to 15 minions.

Witts end is usually built when there is AP.

Again, situational item. Shakarez/Kayle_Bot words. And the words of many other Kayle mains. Not even kfo builds it on her unless it´s an absolutely must.

http://champion.gg/champion/Kayle/Top

Both her most frequent build and the one with highest winrate are the same, and have Rylai's. Along with GA and Runaan's.

As a old kayle main im sure im more than backed up on saying kayle is weak atm.

Kayle main too. She's strong, counters about 50%+ of the top lane meta. Far from weak, really. Sure, she isn´t her 1.0 AP ratio Q bs levels of strong, but she's strong enough.

I know how much of a play rate she has. It´s 2.07%, actually. I never said she's OP. She's just strong, really. She was OP during the release Sated Devourer days.

DefendedMay 28, 20161 votes

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Ummm, Kayle isn´t an assassin. She needs something to help her get people away or to help her catch up to people. Rylai's does that. Going high AP on Kayle is worse than building ANY AP on Riven.

Just ahead on CS by like 10 to 15 minions.

Again, situational item. Shakarez/Kayle_Bot words. And the words of many other Kayle mains. Not even kfo builds it on her unless it´s an absolutely must.

http://champion.gg/champion/Kayle/Top

Both her most frequent build and the one with highest winrate are the same, and have Rylai's. Along with GA and Runaan's.

Kayle main too. She's strong, counters about 50%+ of the top lane meta. Far from weak, really. Sure, she isn´t her 1.0 AP ratio Q bs levels of strong, but she's strong enough.

I know how much of a play rate she has. It´s 2.07%, actually. I never said she's OP. She's just strong, really. She was OP during the release Sated Devourer days.

Did i say kayle was an assassin? I said she CANT BUILD LIFE ITEMS BECAUSE SHE DOES NO DAMAGE THEN.

Go try it please.

Ohh hey you linked me a website that shows kayles stats.

Oh hey so you have a 53% win rate when you have a normal ward but you have a 64% win rate when you item 3341 instead?

Damn pretty fucking accurate stats you got there.

Kayle is ''balanced''. Thats why she wont be seen in competitve play or high elo play. In other words shes not good right now.

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 27, 20162 votes

only 50 games?

RalanrMay 26, 20161 votes

I do feel that she could use some update.

FourVsFiveMay 26, 20161 votes

Only nerf I can see is not making her E double stack masteries like Fervor.

DropFillMay 26, 20161 votes

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Only nerf I can see is not making her E double stack masteries like Fervor.

Her E double procs it?

FourVsFiveMay 27, 20161 votes

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Her E double procs it?

By double I mean it takes 4 attacks to get 8 stacks on Fervor as a ranged ability. First attack gives her 3 stacks, second 4, 3rd 7 4th 8. When ranged attacks are only supposed to give 1 stack per attack.

LycanoonMay 28, 20161 votes

Kayle only needs the following... -She needs extended range on her E. --Her Q needs 35% more damage, and needs to ACTUALLY PENETRATE magic defenses (void scepter + masteries penetration doesn't exist with her Q for some reason). Her E is trash. 2 second speed boost? Psh. Her E should be a passive, stack, and then triggered when needed. Remove the Heal. Her R...garbage...utter garbage. That limited amount of invulnerable defense is like asking to get ganked. Supporting an adc or not, its trash.

I used to play Kayle a lot, now? HA!...hell no. I'd rather play a support Tristana! (for the love of noxus, don't ask) item 3022 item 3812 item 2051 item 3158 item 3085 item 3087