Hey Riot I fixed galio for you

D357R0Y3R·Jan 4, 2019·39 votes·10,137 views

Q: ap ratio halved now has magic resistance ratio

E: ap ratio halved now has magic resistance ratio

W: reverted to pre-rework (maybe with less armor)

R: reverted to pre-rework

Passive: unchanged

67 Comments

Death by GlamourJan 4, 201916 votes

old ult

the heal from old W

and some damage nerfs on Q and E

gj you made moakai 2.0 on steroids

the damage nerfs by themselves would be grand

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9JlhRg1,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-04T17:25:17.745+0000)

gj you made moakai 2.0 on steroids

that's because maokai himself is a garbage design

But no, it isn't maokai 2.0 Because maokai cannot go midlane and clear waves while laning against mages

Maokai also cannot protect his adc like Galio can

And Galio, (hopefully) would not be able to duel/stonewall bruisers toplane

Death by GlamourJan 4, 20193 votes

no you just made a super generalist tank

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20197 votes

super generalist tank that has to build magic resistance in order to deal damage

and who's ult can be countered by autoattacks that cc like garen/xin/TF/leona ect..

and who wouldn't be able to lane into melee match ups like yasuo/aatrox/irelia midlane

sounds good

RagnaveilJan 4, 20191 votes

I mean, if he's gonna be a anti-mage, he's gonna lose in some department.

Death by GlamourJan 4, 20193 votes

if you have 200 mr that's +80 damage

why bother building mr then? his base with minimal AP would be enough to get by

and who wouldn't be able to lane into melee match ups like yasuo/aatrox/irelia midlane

Sustain from old W and base damage would be enough for him to get by in most matchups as a tank

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20193 votes

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why bother building mr then? his base with minimal AP would be enough to get by

the fuck? his passive is 12 − 80 (based on level) bonus damage

Sustain from old W and base damage would be enough for him to get by in most matchups as a tank

No, his base damage are terrible what base damage are we talking about?

his Q has 70 / 110 / 150 / 190 / 230 base damage, that's complete garbage the %max hp damage is 2% per trick (max 6%) BUT you can just get away from it

his W had 13 sec cd and healed 100 hp if you got damaged for the entire duration, and if you think it's enough to lane against Yasuo/Irelia WITHOUT current W bullshit triggering aftershock then we do not play the same game.

and even if the base damage are high, they can be nerfed

you're taking about making a generalist just because of base damage?

give me a break

Death by GlamourJan 4, 20192 votes

you seem to have the difficulty of understanding that gutting his damage will force him into building full tank, which would be fine for midlane as it would force him to go top as a tank.

as you will or should likely know the roles are completely different, as a tank he will/should no longer be able to burst someone down but survive long enough to disrupt the back line. The self healing he will receive from old W/SV/that rune which I forget the name of will be obscene.

again you seem to think galio will remain in midlane after your changes rather than seeing that he will move to toplane as a tank

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20192 votes

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, which would be fine for midlane as it would force him to go top as a tank.

galio base armor is shit

putting him top is asking to lose, especially when he won't be able to do insane trades like he can do right now with 40 or 50 ap

again you seem to think galio will remain in midlane after your changes rather than seeing that he will move to toplane as a tank

Yes he is, just like old galio was a midlaner new galio would still build AP because he has ap ratios, but he won't oneshot you with 1 item like current galio can

and thinking that galio would go top with his 24 base armor is asking to be ridiculous

Death by GlamourJan 4, 20191 votes

and thinking that galio would go top with his 24 base armor is asking to be ridiculous

forgetting runes

inbuilt sustain

and waveclear regardless of it being crap

Also he has greater armour per level than shen and sion

putting him top is asking to lose, especially when he won't be able to do insane trades like he can do right now with 40 or 50 ap

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you don't play a tank top nowadays to win the lane

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=Death by Glamour,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=k9JlhRg1,comment-id=000400000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-04T19:20:29.757+0000)

inbuilt sustain

and most fighters don't have inbuilt sustain?

like you think that 24 base armor is good with runes, that's insane game knowledge right there

Also he has greater armour per level than shen and sion

nobody cares about armor per level during lane

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you don't play a tank top nowadays to win the lane

you don't decide why you play a tank and why you don't

winning lane is not necessary, but not inting the lane is necessary

put galio top with old W+less damage against Darius with conqueror and he's going to fucking get demolished, and if you replace Darius by most meta toplaners it will be the same

13 sec cd spell won't do shit for you

Meany StingJan 4, 20192 votes

You dont remember his old W it seems. Galio into darius would be perfect matchup. His old W healed about 80 base damage for beeing hit reduced 25% for every other hit. minimum of 40 or so i think, Old galio would just walk shielded W into a minnion wave. take 2 autos from all minnions and heal maybe 300-400 hp. That was level 2 W. Darius bleed would heal galio instead of damaging him really. And all galio would have to do is survive 1st murderous 3-4 levels until his armor hits about 50 with runes at level 5.

LordGeovanniJan 6, 20192 votes

while i agree with some of what you say galio wont be able to go mid anymore iwht 50% ap ratios. He'd go top despite his bad armor just like nasus if he has a lane anymore.

SpongebobIsLifeJan 4, 20199 votes

i dont agree with this sorry. At least not the ult and w change. I'd rather not have him go back to being annie status again (useless unless flash is up).

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20192 votes

except that current galio also oneshot you with W+flash and his combo

reverting his old R while keeping his old E would not do what you said

Z3SleeperJan 4, 20194 votes

Except new Galio doesn't oneshot your whole team with his flash combo, he only does it to one person while CC'ing everyone else for 0.5 to 1.5 seconds.. Old Galio was a flash Nunu ult that sucked everyone in for 2 seconds.

Also for new Galio to even reach 1.5s AoE CC he needs to channel his W for 2 seconds before flashing (and it slows him during those 2 seconds too).

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20193 votes

old galio flash ultying-5 man without anyone stopping his ult/buying QSS meant you deserved to fucking lose

new galio flash-oneshoting you doesn't mean you lose, but it's fucking awful especially when you're a melee champion and you get hardcountered because of that bullshit mechanic that cannot be stopped by ccs

Z3SleeperJan 5, 20194 votes

New Galio flash comboing someone without anyone stopping him or the person being combo'd buying QSS means you deserve to fucking lose.

What an argument.

RainbowIceeJan 5, 20191 votes

i think the ult could have some changes like a channeling in which he can move about before it releases to help it. But over all his old ult would be harder to pull off with his new kit.

LTK KoRoJan 4, 20198 votes

Pre-rework R with new E sounds busted as hell

AlzonJan 4, 20193 votes

It’s almost like “Old Nunu ult with two hard CC abilities” also didn’t sound busted as hell.

Minimac2000Jan 5, 20192 votes

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It’s almost like “Old Nunu ult with two hard CC abilities” also didn’t sound busted as hell.

Isn't that newnu? And isn't he objectively not "busted"

LordGeovanniJan 6, 20191 votes

That seemed to be the point but maybe he means the other way.

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20195 votes

Amumu has a similar ult but has a gap closer

is he busted?

dome025Jan 4, 20195 votes

Oh you great high elo god. Only you could think of such a fitting comparison which we low elo plebs would have never even thought about.

How could he forget of Amumu who has a similar ult. How could he forget that Amumu gains 50% damage reduction from his ult, so Amumu can actually build ap and survive after his engage. And how could he forget that Galio has a conditional gap closer just like Amumu.

Edit: Also how could he forget that Amumu also got a VGU?

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20192 votes

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How could he forget that Amumu gains 50% damage reduction from his ult

He only gained damage reduction on enemies's autoattacks

And how could he forget that Galio has a conditional gap closer just like Amumu.

Galio's gap closer is less conditional but way more telegraphed AND shorter

dome025Jan 4, 20192 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Galio#1st

ACTIVE: Galio turns into a statue and channels for 2 seconds, gaining 50% damage reduction and Taunt icon taunting nearby enemies (duration cannot be reduced) until interrupted or until the channel ends.

Galio bursts out of his statue form when the channel ends or is interrupted, dealing magic damage to nearby enemies (increased by 10% for each basic attack received from Taunt icon taunted enemies, maximum 80%)

He only gained a damage boost from enemies autoattacks.

Galio's gap closer is less conditional but way more telegraphed AND shorter

Wrong Galio´s gap closer has no condition (outside of mana cost and cd which are negligible) at all. He can use it anytime and anywhere. Reliability is the keyword. If Amumu hits nothing then also nothing will happen, making his gap closer less reliable than Galio´s. And it´s kinda fair in Galio´s case his gap closer is more reliable but therefore also more telegraphed (terrain blocking it and shorter in distance).

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20191 votes

wiki is a shit source of information, he only got damage reduction against autoattacks

just like shen before his rework

riot did that so galio didn't get kill during his ult by enemy tryndamere+vayne

Wrong Galio´s gap closer has no condition

it has no condition if you want, it's still more telegraphed+delayed+shorter

dome025Jan 5, 20193 votes

wiki is a shit source of information, he only got damage reduction against autoattacks

My bad that I used wiki. Sure it´s the wiki which is wrong, I should just rather trust your memory.

And the old champion spotlight from the official league of legends channel is surely wrong as well, since it doesn´t fit your narrative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOQGg1-RzWw&t=1m17s

Also a galio guide from 2012 in which you can see the ingame ability description saying: blocking 50% of incoming damage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a2_vjjbBBM&t=6m15s

PS: This is rather unrelated since you´re wrong either way but I first thought you meant that he gains damage reduction for every autoattack and not that he has damage reduction just against autoattacks.

it has no condition if you want, it's still more telegraphed+delayed+shorter

So what´s your point?

Amumu doesn´t have any gap closer if he misses Q. Meanwhile Galio has a gap closer independent if he hits his E or not.

SpecterVonBarenJan 5, 20191 votes

Amumus Q needs to hit something to work. Galios E can just be pointed in their general direction.

ContDeCaterinca1Jan 4, 20196 votes

So basically for his Q and E get Abyssal Mask and they are gonna be as strong as now, except that Galio get tankier :P

0 HogapuJan 4, 20194 votes

They will be as strong as it is currently only early game, then it will fall off

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20197 votes

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get Abyssal Mask and they are gonna be as strong as now

do you even know galio's numbers?

his Q right now can deal 700+27% max hp with 500 or 550 ap I don't think you would get that if his ap ratios are halved, magic resistance ratios are terrible, look at his passive it's 40%

if you have 200 mr that's +80 damage

GaliöJan 4, 20194 votes

It's actually +64 damage with 200 MR, cause passive only scales off of Bonus MR ;)

D357R0Y3RJan 4, 20193 votes

I stand corrected

Meany StingJan 4, 20192 votes

To be honest galio would be scarier lategame this way. For damage he would only build liandrys and rylais. then Abyssal sceptre, Zhonyas, Randuins if armor is neccesary or Spirit vissage is MR helps more with cdr. Now his W can outheal an ADC dpsing him. his Q has less base damage, but with slow and rylais more % hp damage, and he can tank the whole team. Why you ask :? old galio during his W, could actualy outheal 2-3 ppl dpsing him if ahead. If this galio gets ahead, he is night unstoppable, and on 40% cdr with a shield that heals when you take any damage for i think 4 seconds, he would have shield uptime of like 50%.

Old galio was not healthy, This one isnt either. I also prefer this ulti from galio, At least its not a play thats insanely good with flash and useless withouth it.

MoonscourgeJan 4, 20196 votes

his old ult was stupid broken and 90% of the reason he got the rework anyway.

B04LeJoJan 4, 20191 votes

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his old ult was stupid broken and 90% of the reason he got the rework anyway.

He got reworked because of his stupid low pickrate and because his kit (especially q and e)was just outdated. And if his ult was "stupid broken" tell me why his pickrate was so low.

LunaranulJan 4, 20197 votes

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He got reworked because of his stupid low pickrate and because his kit (especially q and e)was just outdated. And if his ult was "stupid broken" tell me why his pickrate was so low.

His old ultimate basically had a 300 second CD because you more or less needed Flash to reliably land it.

You also needed to not hit the enemy Garen/Xin/Leona with their Q up, Udyr with his E up, or not hit Braum period or else you just wasted your ult. They can all usually see Galio coming, too, since you don't exactly have the element of surprise when having to move into Flash range for your engage to work.

LordGeovanniJan 6, 20191 votes

This is true but also counter play to his old ult that was supposedly broken. you could also throw out a long range hard cc or hard cc him when you suspected he was going to ult something like a sej Q when you saw him E flash right before he ulted and you could knock him out of it. but that was more of an issue for full ap galios trying to get pentas than a bruiser build one.

LordGeovanniJan 6, 20191 votes

His E is out dated but yet its Kled's ult. His E was undervalued because people played galio like a ranged mage with no auto attacks until they flash ulted when they could have played him like a bruiser that could ult at any time and force the enemy to not fight him just by the threat of holding his ult until he did get a good 5 man ult walking up to people with his E. Which is how i played him pre rework to great success. Also his Old Q is literally neeko's Q with a diffrent visual. Yes he was reworked because his pick rate was low too but thats largely because riot didnt give him any base defenses or a mana pool Galio throws Q 's and is out of mana up until level 5

boricCentaur1Jan 4, 20195 votes

I say just the changes in revert 7.21.

Handy Sandy Jan 4, 20194 votes

galio's old ult is an instant aoe taunt and nuke. i dont think someone should have that at level 6.

GelsominoKillerJan 4, 20193 votes

I have a simpler solution...

What about folk at Riot finally make up their minds?

Is Galio a mage, a tank, or an assassin?

Is Galio supposed to be a generalist or a anti-magic counterpick?

MoonscourgeJan 4, 20193 votes

It's easy. He is a mage, that has a slight advantage vs other mages/magic damage, but can function into full AD just as well. They only took that part because it was his identity before, without forcing him to only be picked into AP.

Offtanks also exist. Or the long lost archetype of a "battle mage", who is sturdy yet fights consistently. An AP bruiser.

StraconyJan 4, 20191 votes

Anti-AP tank. yes ^^

LauchmelderJan 5, 20193 votes

{quoted} R: reverted to pre-rework

I see, you want the old "I press flash + R to autowin that teamfight every 5 minutes" Galio back.

BisaknospJan 5, 20192 votes

first thing that came into my mind

Tr4shB4NSYST3MJan 4, 20192 votes

hold up you mighta done somethin here

GaliöJan 4, 20191 votes

Only criticism I have is make his W self cast only. Was wonky having it heal you off of your buddies being hurt... and giving the or yourself +90 Armor and MR.

I'd take this though in a heartbeat.