Is it just me or does the Evelynn change (PBE) feel like a nerf?

Kowe The Ewok·Dec 16, 2014·15 votes·1,711 views

Instead of getting 1% maximum mana she now recovers 2% of her missing mana. Unless you are completely OOM that means you will most likely get less mana most of the time...

22 Comments

Skia AsteriDec 16, 20146 votes

It rewards being bad at managing her mana, punishes being good at it.

The5lackerDec 17, 20142 votes

Why do you need mana regen if you're super good at managing your mana?

Skia AsteriDec 17, 20141 votes

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Why do you need mana regen if you're super good at managing your mana?

For Muramana.

MahnigguhDec 16, 20145 votes

her mana regen was never really a thing to begin with for me. I hardly ever gank w/o blue

TehNACHODec 16, 20145 votes

*Half of the time.

The regeneration is stronger when Evelynn is at less than approximately 50% mana. It was probably done so to make sure Jungle Evelynn doesn't manage to starve herself in the jungle, where she'll frequently be below 50% mana after clearing one or two camps, or after a significant gank.

It's a buff to Jungle Evelynn if you spend a decent amount of time fighting monsters/champs, and less time running around invisible.

Laughing FishDec 16, 20144 votes

The bigger problem is that she has to get close, but is incredibly squishy. She just gets curb stomped by most champs. Eve has so much potential, but it seams to me that it is just being wasted because she is so UP.

BallseriumDec 16, 20142 votes

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The bigger problem is that she has to get close, but is incredibly squishy. She just gets curb stomped by most champs. Eve has so much potential, but it seams to me that it is just being wasted because she is so UP.

There's a reason she's at where she's at now. Same reason Urgot is awful.

Laughing FishDec 16, 20141 votes

Urgot is fun as hell. He has serious issues though, but I don't feel like he is beyond saving. Eve is just so broken, that I feel she needs a sion-style rework.

BallseriumDec 16, 20143 votes

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Urgot is fun as hell. He has serious issues though, but I don't feel like he is beyond saving. Eve is just so broken, that I feel she needs a sion-style rework.

And there was a point where he was game breakingly overpowered. Riot didn't know what to do with him so they gutted his kit (as an adc) and are just waiting to rework him. Evelynn was also stupidly powerful. 2 second stun coming out of stealth, and she could walk up right behind you to do it, among other things. They reworked her then trashed her then reworked her again then trashed her because her stealth is hard to balance around.

Both do need a rework, but both cannot exist in their original states because of how daft they are. Think release Xin Zhao and release Zyra.

Laughing FishDec 16, 20144 votes

Very true. Poppy is another champion that needs a rework. Hopefully these reworks come quickly. I would be okay with waiting longer for a new champ, if it meant that the current broken champs would be fixed. Although I am REALLY loving RekSai , so it is quite hard to complain lol.

Kowe The EwokDec 16, 20141 votes

I oppose. Poppy works really well in the new jungle.

Laughing FishDec 16, 20141 votes

Haven't tried her there yet. This new jungle is really changing who does and does not need work lol.

supes the lostDec 17, 20141 votes

her passive halves damage she takes if it does over 10% of her max health I believe, so she doesn't take as much damage from the new jungle, then she has a move speed buff and a tackle with a vayne's condemn est stun. She's getting reworked because her ult as is allows her to just wreck one person without heed for where that person is or where his teammates are.

TiropatDec 16, 20143 votes

Poppy is currently being reworked. May the gods help you.

Hyrum GraffDec 16, 20141 votes

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/202294884

Tis a nice dayDec 16, 20142 votes

Sad part is she's already received a nearly sion-reworked amount of change compared to what she was like originally.

DJ Hatsune MikuDec 16, 20142 votes

It doesn't address any of her problems but at least shows interest.. I'm sure someone else will do the math to prove it's better when it matters, aka recouping mana between ganks

The5lackerDec 17, 20142 votes

Considering if you're above 50% mana you probably don't need any mana restored anyways...I'm not exactly seeing a problem.

She gets a free Athene's. Huzzah.

QuephaDec 17, 20142 votes

more mana when under half, less when over half so you recover more mana when you're low on mana, which is kinda when you want to regen mana.

Dr Clueless PhDDec 16, 20141 votes

There's no reason to speak in "most likely"'s. We have math. :P

2% of missing is equal to 1% of max when you are at 50% mana. So, if you're at half or less mana, you get more regen.

What that mostly means is that, Eve is going to have a difficult time running out completely of mana. Her regen at near top is lower, so she will deplete her reserves faster, but she won't run out completely very often.

Nagoh ShanDec 16, 20141 votes

It's asymptotic so you'll go from 0-50% faster, but from 50-100% slower. The 0-100% time overall is slower, but the OOM and can't cast spells to spam Q time is faster.

It's a buff for the simple fact that all you care about is going from OOM to casting spells. It's a buff that doesn't fix any of her problems, but it is a buff.