FFS people aren't "entitled" just because they want free…

Marshbouy · 2017-06-01T13:49:50.011Z

Runes are powerful. They give you an advantage over an opponent if you have them and the opponent does not. It takes hundreds of hours to grind enough IP to buy all the runes you need for just a handful of runepages. Not everyone can/will put the hundreds of hours in to grind them. Does this mean they should be at a disadvantage in their games? No. A game that claims to be competitive should be about inherent skill, not about how much time or money you put in. (you can spend RP on IP boosts to get more runes faster) Does this mean you are an entitled baby for wanting free runes? No. Wanting a game to hold it's promise of being competitive does not make you entitled. Wanting even footing in a competitive environment does not make you entitled. Does this mean you look like an asshole when you rant about the "millennials" and "entitled generation" ruining everything? Yes. Riot also has a plan for those who have previously bought tens of thousands of IPs in runes. It's not all getting wasted. Calm your tits. EDIT: Lemme expand a bit on my argument. So there are two versions of every champion, one that costs their normal amount of IP and one that costs 100x their normal IP. The one that costs 100x the normal IP is objectively better in every way. Damage, cooldowns, CC length, and base stats. Both are available to anyone playing the game, but the amount of effort needed to buy them differs. If you buy a champion version that is more powerful then it's cheaper counterpart, you will win more often because you put in X amount of hours to buy it. Is this fair? Is this balanced? Does this fit a competitive game? Should someone have a higher chance of beating someone else just because they put in more time, regardless of player skill? No. this is not an MMO. This is not a game about grinding out in game currency to get an edge on your opponent. If you want to climb, you should have to have more skill than your opponent, not more in game currency or time played.

SEKAIJun 1, 201711 votes

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If they weren't changing the system your post would be meaningless. Because they are changing the system your post is meaningless. Why should a player who hasn't put in the time and effort to earn the IP to buy runes have an advantage? You are entitled. Earn your shit and stop spouting BS about competition. Experience should be rewarded and that is how it was done

Idk, maybe a competitive game cares less about the supposed veteran's egos and more about the game's actual balance?

This isn't a MMORPG where if you work, you get good gears, no one is gonna argue against that (and even that's being changed as MMORPGs are driving towards being more sandbox than the older linear progression model). This is a competitive game. What, are you saying experienced runners can used steroids on the field because they've put in more time and effort? That's nonsense.

But, as a "millennial" of your "entitled generation" you wouldn't know

Though by this point you sounded like a troll lol.

MarshbouyJun 1, 201712 votes

This guy completely ignored what i said in my post just to rage at me. I'm not even going to waste my time responding. It's either a troll or someone who has a hilariously closed mind.

It Hertz When IPJun 1, 20176 votes

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It's either a troll or someone who has a hilariously closed mind.

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MarshbouyJun 2, 20173 votes

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DragfinJun 1, 20171 votes

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Idk, maybe a competitive game cares less about the supposed veteran's egos and more about the game's actual balance?

This isn't a MMORPG where if you work, you get good gears, no one is gonna argue against that (and even that's being changed as MMORPGs are driving towards being more sandbox than the older linear progression model). This is a competitive game. What, are you saying experienced runners can used steroids on the field because they've put in more time and effort? That's nonsense.

Though by this point you sounded like a troll lol.

Your response puts you in exactly that generation. You want things handed to you on a silver platter without doing shit.

I just feel sorry for you.

SEKAIJun 2, 20172 votes

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Your response puts you in exactly that generation. You want things handed to you on a silver platter without doing shit.

I just feel sorry for you.

I'd thought you're just a funny troll, but then you got serious. What a let down.

If you'd really want to work and show off your effort, then you will do to be good at the game with your skill from all the hard-work if you've put in. And Riot does reward that, with seasonal rewards exclusively to higher elo range and all (cosmetic). There are also a various goodies Riot gives out for those who'd spent time and effort participating in certain events too (cosmetic). And no one is arguing against them.

But no, you want that innate game imbalance, in a competitive game at that, resulted from power-gating that's only there solely to enforce grind. Some people can like to grind, sure, but if you've played the game for so long it's only natural to assume that you will personally be better at the game and that you DO NOT NEED unfair advantages to seal that deal, now wouldn't you?

So who's demanding stuff to be handed to them on a silver platter? Me who say if you are better at the game you will be superior and that no one objects higher elo have their exclusive cosmetic rewards, or you who say that Riot needs to make you literally more powerful inside the match for merely being around longer?

Rune being removed from the game is the step towards the right direction and nothing else.

DragfinJun 2, 20171 votes

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I'd thought you're just a funny troll, but then you got serious. What a let down.

If you'd really want to work and show off your effort, then you will do to be good at the game with your skill from all the hard-work if you've put in. And Riot does reward that, with seasonal rewards exclusively to higher elo range and all (cosmetic). There are also a various goodies Riot gives out for those who'd spent time and effort participating in certain events too (cosmetic). And no one is arguing against them.

But no, you want that innate game imbalance, in a competitive game at that, resulted from power-gating that's only there solely to enforce grind. Some people can like to grind, sure, but if you've played the game for so long it's only natural to assume that you will personally be better at the game and that you DO NOT NEED unfair advantages to seal that deal, now wouldn't you?

So who's demanding stuff to be handed to them on a silver platter? Me who say if you are better at the game you will be superior and that no one objects higher elo have their exclusive cosmetic rewards, or you who say that Riot needs to make you literally more powerful inside the match for merely being around longer?

Rune being removed from the game is the step towards the right direction and nothing else.

I never said it wasn't I was simply responding to the entitled OP's whining about something that won't exist in the near future. You and other feel it's necessary to add things that I never talked about.

SEKAIJun 2, 20171 votes

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I never said it wasn't I was simply responding to the entitled OP's whining about something that won't exist in the near future. You and other feel it's necessary to add things that I never talked about.

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{quoted} If they weren't changing the system your post would be meaningless. Because they are changing the system your post is meaningless. Why should a player who hasn't put in the time and effort to earn the IP to buy runes have an advantage? You are entitled. Earn your shit and stop spouting BS about competition. Experience should be rewarded and that is how it was done. I am sorry but by level 30 on my main account I had 2 rune pages and plenty of ruins to compete fine with and it didn't take hundreds of hours. It took planning and playing. Your post is offensive to anyone who has put in the time and effort. But, as a "millennial" of your "entitled generation" you wouldn't know because you expect things handed to you with little to no effort and cry about it when you don't get your way.

Oh okay.

DragfinJun 2, 20171 votes

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Oh okay.

Where did I say that I didn't like the rune changes? I was speaking about entitlement and effort. You know? the Op's post. You are reading into something that just isn't there.

SEKAIJun 2, 20171 votes

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Where did I say that I didn't like the rune changes? I was speaking about entitlement and effort. You know? the Op's post. You are reading into something that just isn't there.

That's not what we're arguing with about. We're saying that you're liking the "earned/paid rune" model a bit too much.

The idea is simple, equal fighting ground. No steroids on the race-track. No VIP in competition. It's as simple as that. There is no "entitlement" or anything going on here.

DragfinJun 2, 20171 votes

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That's not what we're arguing with about. We're saying that you're liking the "earned/paid rune" model a bit too much.

The idea is simple, equal fighting ground. No steroids on the race-track. No VIP in competition. It's as simple as that. There is no "entitlement" or anything going on here.

Sorry you don't see that there actually is. You guys are making excuses for not wanting to make an effort. It's really that simple. IE, entitlement. IE, lazy. Bottom line is you want shit for doing shit. RIOT is giving you that. Don't matter to me either way.

Entitled people like most responding to my posts are the norm today and RIOT is doing nothing more than appeasing you for your dollars. It's very smart on their part for their business. I am sure you entitled ones will find other things to whine about after release.

SEKAIJun 2, 20171 votes

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Sorry you don't see that there actually is. You guys are making excuses for not wanting to make an effort. It's really that simple. IE, entitlement. IE, lazy. Bottom line is you want shit for doing shit. RIOT is giving you that. Don't matter to me either way.

Entitled people like most responding to my posts are the norm today and RIOT is doing nothing more than appeasing you for your dollars. It's very smart on their part for their business. I am sure you entitled ones will find other things to whine about after release.

What, not wanting to make effort, excuses? Really?

LoL is having millions of hour of game time per day, people are playing this game like mad men. And for most, runes are not problems.

When it is a problem though, is when there are people who are outright just new so they don't have the runes, or just too busy (because they actually have life outside of games, maybe?) to play and earn the runes. Who the fk wants to play a competitive game where they are losing before they even begin, where you can literally be a straight-up worse champion A against your opponent's champion A even if your mastery are identical, just because you don't play the game as much as others due to many circumstances and real-life reasons? Who the fk wants that?

How much of an elitist can you be? How inconsiderate can you be? How apathetic can you be? You literally lose nothing in this move, NOTHING IS CHANGED FOR YOU, NOTHING. But it makes the game more accessible to others; HOW IS THIS A BAD THING? Is others getting the same thing as you that much to handle? Please, if you have to be elitist or whatever, be so in your actual game skills and climb the ranks, not banking on innate advantage so you can rek newbies harder complete with more stats that's there for no reason. It's pathetic.

It's got nothing to do with "entitlement", nothing to do with "whining", nothing to do with "laziness", or whatever buzzwords you've managed to dig out from the most cringe-inducing dimension in the universe. It's however about a competitive game putting words to where its mouth is, it's a place where skill matters, not how long you've been around.

EDIT: I don't want to pull this, but I have been around since S1. I got the Judgement Kayle straight from Riot as a token of thanks for participating in S1, if you want proof ( And You see, this is the kind of rewards that long-time players need, not actual in-game advantages). And I'm okay with this. Why should I not be?

DragfinJun 2, 20171 votes

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What, not wanting to make effort, excuses? Really?

LoL is having millions of hour of game time per day, people are playing this game like mad men. And for most, runes are not problems.

When it is a problem though, is when there are people who are outright just new so they don't have the runes, or just too busy (because they actually have life outside of games, maybe?) to play and earn the runes. Who the fk wants to play a competitive game where they are losing before they even begin, where you can literally be a straight-up worse champion A against your opponent's champion A even if your mastery are identical, just because you don't play the game as much as others due to many circumstances and real-life reasons? Who the fk wants that?

How much of an elitist can you be? How inconsiderate can you be? How apathetic can you be? You literally lose nothing in this move, NOTHING IS CHANGED FOR YOU, NOTHING. But it makes the game more accessible to others; HOW IS THIS A BAD THING? Is others getting the same thing as you that much to handle? Please, if you have to be elitist or whatever, be so in your actual game skills and climb the ranks, not banking on innate advantage so you can rek newbies harder complete with more stats that's there for no reason. It's pathetic.

It's got nothing to do with "entitlement", nothing to do with "whining", nothing to do with "laziness", or whatever buzzwords you've managed to dig out from the most cringe-inducing dimension in the universe. It's however about a competitive game putting words to where its mouth is, it's a place where skill matters, not how long you've been around.

EDIT: I don't want to pull this, but I have been around since S1. I got the Judgement Kayle straight from Riot if you want proof. And I'm okay with this. Why should I not be?

Not only that but arguing for the sake of arguing.

I was new and did it properly because I used the material provided by others who made the effort. I made the effort to research the game before I started playing.

You and others are still making excuses and will make more excuses later on after inception of the new rune system when things might not go your way like they aren't right now.

You are entitled. Enough said.

SEKAIJun 2, 20171 votes

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Not only that but arguing for the sake of arguing.

I was new and did it properly because I used the material provided by others who made the effort. I made the effort to research the game before I started playing.

You and others are still making excuses and will make more excuses later on after inception of the new rune system when things might not go your way like they aren't right now.

You are entitled. Enough said.

No amount of research will give you the stats from the rune. Rune is an advantage to those who don't have. Your attacks will do more damage, as the same champ, with the same mastery tree, because you bought runes, that requires grinding to get. It's game time before skill.

The only thing Riot does is removing the grind. So it's all skill.

And somehow asking for no special steroid access for long-timers on a race-track is being entitled.

Boy, your brain is literally busted.

junglerboy16Jun 3, 20171 votes

What is the deal with saying millennials are always entitled?

Of all the people I've met, the entitled ones always learned it from having entitled parents or growing up with enough wealth to not give a shit about work, meanwhile the rest of us get by on hard work. I know more "Millennials" with excellent jobs, work ethics, and satisfaction in life than I know people of the generation prior, or the one before that, because they've all been told (like I have also been told) that since we are entitled we don't deserve anything, so we work our damn asses off to prove the nay sayers wrong.

I don't deserve anything but what I've worked for, and I've worked damn hard to get what I've got thank you, so take you entitlement bullshit and hit the road, because it's not welcome here, or anywhere.

Honestly, I don't care about runes (they are a minimal impact, and the update to tier 2s already made them as good as free for anyone who needed them), but your self righteous stab about entitled millennials is both so arrogant and so blatantly irrelevant to the discussion that it discredits your logic completely.

DragfinJun 5, 20171 votes

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What is the deal with saying millennials are always entitled?

Of all the people I've met, the entitled ones always learned it from having entitled parents or growing up with enough wealth to not give a shit about work, meanwhile the rest of us get by on hard work. I know more "Millennials" with excellent jobs, work ethics, and satisfaction in life than I know people of the generation prior, or the one before that, because they've all been told (like I have also been told) that since we are entitled we don't deserve anything, so we work our damn asses off to prove the nay sayers wrong.

I don't deserve anything but what I've worked for, and I've worked damn hard to get what I've got thank you, so take you entitlement bullshit and hit the road, because it's not welcome here, or anywhere.

Honestly, I don't care about runes (they are a minimal impact, and the update to tier 2s already made them as good as free for anyone who needed them), but your self righteous stab about entitled millennials is both so arrogant and so blatantly irrelevant to the discussion that it discredits your logic completely.

If what you say is true then you are both a rarity and delusional. I have over 15 years of management experience that says you are wrong. I have seen the young workforce for many years and for the most part they are entitled and lazy. Most want something for nothing. Their work ethics are nearly non-existent. If you have my experience or even more then all you are doing is enabling them. Which a poor leader does.

Mecha MaIphiteJun 1, 201730 votes

Because it's not "time and effort". It's brainless grinding that a retarded chimpanzee could do. There is no thought that goes into playing game after game to dump your IP into runes. "Planning and playing" my ass.

korg023Jun 1, 201712 votes

The guy obviously has some issues,no point in trying to explain.

Lux Is Mai WaifuJun 1, 20173 votes

Why should a player who hasn't put in the time and effort to earn the IP to buy runes have an advantage?

Why should a player who has played less games be put at a disadvantage in terms of stats as well? Especially in a game that is marketed as "competitive"?

DragfinJun 1, 20171 votes

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Why should a player who has played less games be put at a disadvantage in terms of stats as well? Especially in a game that is marketed as "competitive"?

I just told you. Are you illiterate? I apologize if you are but then I can't write it because you can't read it so I guess you'll have to find out for yourself if that's not too much effort for you.

Lux Is Mai WaifuJun 1, 20176 votes

I honestly only read that one sentence in your post and decided to point it out because it stood out as a sentence that brands you as someone who cares more about shitty mechanics staying the way they are than the game becoming defensibly competitive for people that aren't pros (who get everything unlocked for free).

DragfinJun 1, 20171 votes

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I honestly only read that one sentence in your post and decided to point it out because it stood out as a sentence that brands you as someone who cares more about shitty mechanics staying the way they are than the game becoming defensibly competitive for people that aren't pros (who get everything unlocked for free).

Gaming is about effort. If a gamer can't make an effort then gaming is not for them. I never said league had shitty mechanics. I don't think league has shitty mechanics, just shitty players who can't make an effort and expect to be able to compete without that knowledge. The journey to level 30 provides one who actually gives a shit that knowledge. It is very possible to have two rune pages full of basic AP and AD runes and a few champions to boot. I know because I did it, 3 times, just like a lot of people who have played this game. These people are whining and bitching because that is what they do. They don't want to make an effort and anyone that does, they crucify because it makes them feel good about their pathetic failed lives.

MagmaprincessJun 1, 20175 votes

They don't want to make an effort and anyone that does, they crucify because it makes them feel good about their pathetic failed lives.

Yeah people with failed lives are kinda the last ones to complain about wasting time with pointless chores. The ones who complain are the people who, you know, actually got better shit to do with their lives besides wasting time griding so they can actually do what they installed the game for, which is being competitive in a competitive game.

Dude no offense but you're projecting so hard right now I thought I was in a multiplex.

DragfinJun 1, 20171 votes

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Yeah people with failed lives are kinda the last ones to complain about wasting time with pointless chores. The ones who complain are the people who, you know, actually got better shit to do with their lives besides wasting time griding so they can actually do what they installed the game for, which is being competitive in a competitive game.

Dude no offense but you're projecting so hard right now I thought I was in a multiplex.

Sorry you feel that way but dear child, I already succeeded in life and understand that it takes effort to do so. Same thing with anything one does with their time. You will never learn that because you fall into the same category as someone who don't/won't make an effort. You will have a very long life is my guess because you want shit given to you with minimal or no effort. I just feel sorry for you.

MagmaprincessJun 1, 20174 votes

Effort doesn't entail success dude, you could work yourself to the bone and end up nothing but a beast of burden while people smarter than you will breeze through their careers and give you a wink and a slap on the butt while they go past you despite starting later than you, because they understood the difference between working hard and working smart.

Grinding out game after game to get runes takes effort, yeah, but it's dumb effort. So can the condescension, it ain't making you sound superior, it's just making you sound like an ass trying out their internet damage control 101 handbook.

DragfinJun 2, 20171 votes

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Effort doesn't entail success dude, you could work yourself to the bone and end up nothing but a beast of burden while people smarter than you will breeze through their careers and give you a wink and a slap on the butt while they go past you despite starting later than you, because they understood the difference between working hard and working smart.

Grinding out game after game to get runes takes effort, yeah, but it's dumb effort. So can the condescension, it ain't making you sound superior, it's just making you sound like an ass trying out their internet damage control 101 handbook.

Lol, what? Are you kidding me? Did you just say this? Effort is about applying yourself. If you applied yourself to be "A Beast of Burden", then that's your own fault because you didn't give enough effort. Go away please. You are very ignorant when it comes to actual life.

MagmaprincessJun 2, 20172 votes

Wow dude why are you so triggered? Did the beast of burden thing hit a nerve? Well it's just an expression, didn't mean to wound your proletarian pride or anything. Blue collars are very important cogs in our society. Sorry about that ;(

FFS people aren't "entitled" just because they want free runes.

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