Melee Only/Half Effective for Ranged isn't a valid balancing point.

Skorch··1 votes·262 views

Im sick of seeing this balance cop-out any time ADCs are abusing an item.

Yes item 3071 item 3153 item 3022 and item 3025 (cough Ezreal cough) get abused... a lot.

But do you know what else? They are also balanced items... a lot. This proves that they are balanceable.

Just because something is a struggle to balance, that doesnt mean you can just say "F*** IT" and go with the laziest, most simple answer.

And that is what these solutions are, lazy, boring, non-productive changes. And the biggest issue is this could strike a pattern. If Riot starts using the easiest balancing strategies, they may become more prone to keep doing it. First BC becomes Melee only, then Bork, then mallet, then iceborn. Then bigger issues occur, instead of balancing and fixing "problem" champions lets just rework them until something fits. possibly losing all sense that they once had.

On top of that the more boring the game is patched, the more boring its gonna play. If items werent made with multiple champions, methods in mind. Then well you're killing Off-Meta.

And i agree Cleaver/Bork Lucian is a monster. Iceborn EZ is the most annoying lane ever. But that doesnt mean that "problematic" items just get removed from their list of items.

Stop using Melee Only as a free ride way to balance things, its boring, lazy, unproductive. This is a Gameplay board, where you discuss balance and figure out solutions. Not just jumping on the easiest damn answer.

10 Comments

Sir Yamazuki2 votes

You didn't provide an alternative.

Skorch1 votes

Youre right, and thats my bad. But it IS a hard solution, one to which i dont know HOW to make these ADCs stop abusing these items. But i do know that just saying they cant isnt the solution.

Lyndris2 votes

While i agree it is a lazy thing to do, I don't think that 3 items is an issue. (i don't believe bork is melee/ranged effected)

Mordepool2 votes

Perhaps shaving 75 range off every single Marksmen would be a better Balance point

SwiftKitten882 votes

item 3071 and item 3022 are actaully items that SHOULD only have the passive melee only ( or at least heavily reduced range) item 3153 .. no... thats supposed to be ranked.. item 3025 no... also fine at ranged.. although i would take away 250 mana from it and give it 30 ap

Critmaster Garen1 votes

what does it matter if it feels lazy, when it works?

ranged champions arent supposed to use the items that you listed as well as they do. theyre not targeted at them.

whats more is, when they use these items, its usually in an abusive manner. hence why theyre "fun" to use for them.

mallet is a sticking tool for melee bruisers to reward them for overcoming enemy kiting, not for ranged carries to make kiting braindead easy. cleaver is a core item for spellcasting bruisers, iceborn gauntlet is a tank item.

you can dance around the issue and fiddle around with the stats until ranged champions dont want to buy the item anymore, possibly nerfing them for the champions who are supposed to buy them in the process, or you can stop pretending youre doing anything else and slap a melee only tag on it.

you say its lazy, i say its more effective.

Skorch1 votes

While you say that screwing with the stats will nerf the champions that use the item, if that item is used and abused BY a ranged champion, usually that item itself is also pretty strong for the people that DO use it.

And personally i dont beleive in laziness for effectiveness, if the end result is just a straight downgrade for anyone who isnt meant for the item. What if i want to go item 3071 Xerath ? what about MY needs

Social Justice 11 votes

And in return they can stop giving every melee champion multiple hard engage tools

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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And in return they can stop giving every melee champion multiple hard engage tools

there are only very few champions in this game that have multiple hard engage tools.

and a shitload of ad carries have self peel mechanics built into their kits to deal with these situations, including their own mobility.

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