If it's supposed to be this kite based utility item, while also giving a nice chunk of HP, then it shouldn't be giving 100 AP which compliments burst and sustained damage dealers alike. This item should honestly only be giving 60 AP, maybe 80 and in exchange you can add on 100-200 more HP to make it the utility based kite item that offers survival and some AP to boot.
Ralanr6 votesI agree. It makes any other AP item pale in comparison because of the stats it provides.
Honestly they should lower the AP, possibly increase the health, and maybe make it cheaper because of the change.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesbut even if they lower it to 75 ap from 100 and give it another 100 hp and you lower the cost then why would people still get it for the passive?
so you lower to 3000 gold from 3200 i still get 75ap 500hp and the passive.
where i could spend 3200 gold for 
that 25 ap different is gonna make people really think to hard about not getting it. it will still get bought. they need to tweek the passive that is where it is most trouble some. before they changed the passive with the mage item rework it wasnt that popular
Ralanr1 votesBut the point is to make people think about buying it or not, not to have it rarely bought.
HateDaddy5 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jeakfwPW,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-09-08T21:30:47.436+0000)
but even if they lower it to 75 ap from 100 and give it another 100 hp and you lower the cost then why would people still get it for the passive?
so you lower to 3000 gold from 3200 i still get 75ap 500hp and the passive. where i could spend 3200 gold for
It's almost as if you should be considering the passive of an item upon purchasing it and not just for its raw stats
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthey are buying it for the passive. that is the issue. cuz for 100ap you can get either or . it isnt the ap its the passive along with the ap. so like i purposed if they lower the ap 25 give 100 more hp and lower the cost to 3000 people will still get it for the passive. they need to change the passive so it has like an effect that it cant apply the slow more then once per 5 secs or something.
HateDaddy2 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jeakfwPW,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2016-09-08T21:36:58.516+0000)
they are buying it for the passive. that is the issue. cuz for 100ap you can get either
Oh I wasn't disagreeing, sorry. I was just saying it as a remark to your proposal because Mage players are stunned when you tell them to consider the passive/active of the items and not just the raw stats.
DraygenBiscuit2 votesOh I wasn't disagreeing, sorry. I was just saying it as a remark to your proposal because Mage players are stunned when you tell them to consider the passive/active of the items and not just the raw stats.
Honestly I use this item allot and I like it because it is viable for some sup mages, because it gives you a little bit of everything... its a good value and has a good passive... I really hope riot doesn't mess with it.
HateDaddy1 votesHonestly I use this item allot and I like it because it is viable for some sup mages, because it gives you a little bit of everything... its a good value and has a good passive... I really hope riot doesn't mess with it.
It's too good in stats, 100 AP is absurd for such a powerful item tbh. It gives HP/slows for days, it should be giving less AP
Reikken5 votesthat 25 ap different is gonna make people really think to hard about not getting it.
That's the point. You should only be getting it if you want the slow.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesi get that but lower the ap by 25 wont change the fact that for the passive and the hp and the ap you get (75 ap is more then 
) that it will stop being bought. and if you lower the cost to justify the lower ap then its that less of a deterrent to buying it. its the passive that needs the change not the ap.
Reikken3 votesThe point isn't to make it stop being bought entirely. It's to make it be bought when you want to slow people. Right now it's just bought by everyone because nothing else gives more AP.
If frozen mallet gave 80 AD 150 health, everyone would be buying it.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesbut it dont give more ap. there are other items that give the same amount of ap for the same cost. what is the difference? the difference isnt the cost nor the ap its the passive. when every one can use the slow and makes it easier to make/land your skills or kite why wouldnt you get it over the other items of the same cost and ap ?
Ralanr2 votesGive it less AP and people will actually consider if they want to spend hard earned cash for a slow and some tankiness with a bit of damage, or more damage.
That is the point. The passive is the unique part of it, it shouldn't have better stats than other AP items on top of that passive.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesdid you not read my above statement if you lower it 75ap with the same passive and lower the cost due to the fact it still have more ap then like 5 other items and equal ap of other items that it wouldnt change the rate of people getting it. ITS THE PASSIVE NOT THE AP
Ralanr1 votesClearly I'm misunderstanding you. My apologies.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesClearly I'm misunderstanding you. My apologies.
its cool , but do you understand the point of my statements? its not the ap its the passive , if they do something like tweek it where you cant reapply the slow passive but once ever 5 secs of whatever then it would lessen the attractiveness of the item. its when you can sit there and hit someone with a Q and slow them then use E and slow more and then W while all doing damage the entire time and you (as the player being slowed ) cant catch or dodge or do anything do to the constant endless slows so if the mage with 
that has spam-able abilities say like 
times her cds right there is no way you could get near her unless you blow flash, or a champ with a gap closer. she can kite infinitely and while doing major dps. but if it had an on hit effect cd like ever 5 secs then it gives a window of counter play
Reikken2 votesIndeed. But if it doesn't have the same AP, if it has less AP, then this no longer applies. Then people have to make a choice between damage and utility. The problem is that currently there is no choice. You get both damage and utility.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesbut if the amount of ap is on par with the other ap items then you still get a good amount of ap that is equal to all but 3 items 
and if i can get all the utility of the HP with is on par with other items for with the same passive then im still getting it. now if you change the passive like i said ( not saying my way is correct just an idea ) then you have to make that justification.
Reikken1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jeakfwPW,comment-id=00010000000200000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-09-08T23:30:49.964+0000)
but if the amount of ap is on par with the other ap items
It isn't, in this scenario. Every other AP item would give more AP or at least more damage.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesthen what are you suggestion the ap is in this scenario? my whole " scenario" was it being at 75ap so plz tell me
Reikken1 votesThat's the one. 75 AP
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesok so what is your scenario as i have asked. over and over you dont have one. you just wanna cry to nerf the ap and the ap isnt the issue its the passive.
S0kaX4 votesRylais? Who the hell is that?
HateDaddy1 votesin: League of Legends Wiki Rylai's Crystal Scepter
Stats +400 health +100 ability power Passive UNIQUE – ICY: Damaging abilities Slow icon.png slow affected units based on their type: Single Target: Slow icon.png 40% for 1.5 seconds. Area of Effect: Slow icon.png 40% for 1 second. Damage over Time, Multi-Hit and Pet attacks: Slow icon.png 20% for 1 second.
Rylai's Crystal Scepter is a legendary item in League of Legends.[1]
Recipe
Rylai's Crystal Scepter item.png Rylai's Crystal Scepter 3200 Gold.png (515 Gold.png) Needlessly Large Rod item.png Needlessly Large Rod 1250 Gold.png Amplifying Tome item.png Amplifying Tome 435 Gold.png Giant's Belt item.png Giant's Belt 1000 Gold.png (600 Gold.png) Ruby Crystal item.png Ruby Crystal 400 Gold.png Cost Analysis*
Gold Value 100 ability power = 2175 Gold.png 400 health = 1066.66 Gold.png Total Gold Value = 3241.66 Gold.png Gold Efficiency*
Rylai's Crystal Scepter item.png Rylai's Crystal Scepter is 101.3% gold efficient, without its passive.
Rylai's Crystal Scepter's passive does not stack with Frozen Mallet item.png Frozen Mallet, Iceborn Gauntlet item.png Iceborn Gauntlet or any other slow. The strongest slow will be effective until it is expired, any other slow that was applied and not expired will take effect after that. The following will not trigger a slow: Champion abilities that do not trigger spell vamp. On-hit damage dealt by items. Ignite.png Ignite and Smite.png Smite.
Rylai is the name of the Crystal Maiden hero in DotA. Rylai specializes in using ice-based crowd control abilities to disable and slow her opponents. The icon for the Crystal Scepter is almost identical to the icon for the Crystal Maiden's and Archmage from Warcraft 3's Brilliance Aura ability.
Enosetc1 voteshe's probably nitpicking at your lack of an apostrophe to try to make your argument look dumb
HateDaddy2 votesDownvoted from fog of war by Mage mains while perma slowing me with rylais
theragingnerd2 voteshey hate daddy why do you link us to your garbage G&B threads on GD like we care about game balance?
HateDaddy3 voteshey hate daddy why do you link us to your garbage G&B threads on GD like we care about game balance?
Wow nerd.
A) you put a space between my name B) because I need help combating the Mage circle jerk C) square up
theragingnerd1 votesWow nerd.
A) you put a space between my name B) because I need help combating the Mage circle jerk C) square up
h a t e d a d d y GD is legit all mage mains i'm not even a mage main i'm an ap assassin main http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/40600/40690/pb_sq_40690_md.gif https://pixabay.com/static/uploads/photo/2013/07/13/09/50/arrow-156118_960_720.png beta
HateDaddy1 votesh a t e d a d d y GD is legit all mage mains i'm not even a mage main i'm an ap assassin main http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/40600/40690/pb_sq_40690_md.gif https://pixabay.com/static/uploads/photo/2013/07/13/09/50/arrow-156118_960_720.png beta
Bro I'm here all er'day u don't want these hands dude
Sohleks1 votesFiddling around its stats like that wouldn't even fix it I think. Just a cover up. The passive would still be oppressive and some mages whose damage won't cut it with it as much as some others will just phase out changing the meta without fixing the problem item.
The HP should go entirely IMO. If you're supposed to be kiting why do you need more health. So at least burst is a counterplay. Not deminished by tank stats. More tank + more kite for ranged champions is a cancer combination.
I even propose two version of the item be created. A glass cannon one with less stats than today's rylias especially in the tank department. And a low AP one for tanks and focused on durability. That one will be hard to place against Randiuns or Righteous Glory but not as overlapped as Hextech GLP really. Could then even make a new component item for slowing items that builds into the 2 new rylias and frozen mallet that taxes raw stats for its utility.
Reikken1 votesThe HP should go entirely IMO. If you're supposed to be kiting why do you need more health.
I get it for chasing more than kiting.
Reikken1 votesRylai's is my most-bought complete item (yes, even more than sorcs), and I would love for rylai's to return to giving 80 AP 500 health for 3000g.
Akali is SO HOT1 votesReally need to revert that passive change tbh. Increasing AoE slows from 15% all the way to 40 is just dumb. Revert that and take away some AP on top of that. I don't even think it needs an HP buff as compensation because of how broken it is right now tbh.
FreezerFlare1 votesBuff singed tho (let him ignore unit collision and give him an actual passive)
Leaf of the lake1 votesI'd rather they cut the HP down than hit the AP tbh
2nd Chance1 votesIt's passive is too strong and shouldn't be able to reply repeatably unless in a longer time span
