These Adent Censer buffs are redicilous

Jar Jar binks l··16 votes·1,139 views

Passive effect's Attack speed bonus changed from [20 - 35%] to [20 - 40%] Passive damage changed from [20 - 35] to [20 - 40]

40% Attack Speed and 40 onhit DMG wtf. Seems like Balance Team has really lost their minds

23 Comments

Kloqdq8 votes

The healing has been removed. You know. The thing that was breaking the item. No one even cared about it prior to the change other than like Lulu with a Kog'Maw or something.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Noone cared about that item because no AA reliant adc was meta back then. That change does literally nothing except buff ardent. Rush a vamp scepter inbetween and you benefit even more from that item.

Kloqdq1 votes

It is a hard nerf no matter how you look at it. The item has just flipped right back to where it was and no one was buying it. Even if they were a auto-attack reliant AD (Almost every single AD is). It's nice but you are over valuing an item that is much more niche now and only worth it sometimes. Redemption is just superior in every way. Unholy Grail is also a viable option.

SwiftKitten888 votes

its not getting buffed, it's getting nerfed... the healing on hit is being completely removed

thats like saying (this is an just example it not happening)

increased nidalee hp by 5 per lvl.. decreased spear damage by 30%

its still a giant nerf.. even if it has some compensation built in

TheHappyReaperz7 votes

Holy shit +5% AS and +5 onhit magic damage? At level 18? DEAR GOD WHAT IS RIOT THINKING.

Succubús GF7 votes

|The point was it needed nerfs, not buffs,.

TheHappyReaperz9 votes

It got nerfs, it lost a third of its passive.

Glory ln Death5 votes

The point is, the on-hit healing - the part of its passive that was making it a mandatory, class-defining item - is getting fully removed. It's alright for the other aspects of the item to get buffed a bit so it isn't completely trashed.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

The item gets +20-40 magic damage on hit. Not +5.

WoonStruck2 votes

Not only that, but both the support and ADC get it now.

Taric and Lulu going to be pick/ban. Probably Janna too with her 'rework'.

Sooo...no change but the ardent meta gets stronger and even more exclusive?

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

How the hell is ardent exclusive? Literally any champion in the game can proc it.

WoonStruck1 votes

Because the champions that best utilize it are going to be the strongest.

With Janna's upcoming changes, her sona, lulu and taric are only going to become stronger, pushing other supports out of the meta.

Building AP+healing/shielding early on Leona/braum isn't exactly going to win you lane.

Glory ln Death3 votes

Except Ardent has no on-hit healing, now. Which was the aspect of its passive that made it so powerful and meta-warping. It will still actually exist as an item, but it won't be the support item anymore, since it can't make you keep the adc alive indefinitely through 50+ health per second on-hit healing. It can only help them deal more damage, and damage won't stop them from getting focused and killed.

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Note that the further end of the atk speed gains only kicks in late game.

Also, 40 onhit magic damage. So scary. Don't forget to factor in resists.

Drugoth2 votes

I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything, but you spelled ridiculous wrong.

I used to do the same thing, here's a little pointer I used to help me remember how to spell it correctly:

Ridiculous comes from the word Ridicule, ridicule is a verb or noun, and ridiculous is the adjective version.

PePsiLemoNN2 votes

How does this even have upvotes ? lmao not like it lost ALL it's healing which was the problem

Nea1041 votes

The item isn't wrong per se, it's wrong because it's the best item for supports, and then tanky/different kind of supports are now in an even more bad spot. The lack of alternatives is the problem, imo.

hhaavviikk1 votes

goodbye ardent rushes, hello redemption rushes, such diversity in builds!

KuroCaliber2 votes

Redemption still isn't good until another heal Shields item has been completed.

Corvitia1 votes

The item was changed a decent amount from when everyone prioritized it. I saw stoneborn Zyras building Ardent. That was a bit excessive and annoying to play against. The item was buffed in some ways, but it was also nerfed alot with the healing on hit removed. The main op point was already removed and in order to balance it out, they added lvl 18 buffs. It's fine to me personally.

The Deckowner1 votes

Ardent is BS but OP is not really thinking properly. Supports rarely even get over lv15 in games, a buff to lv18 damage is basically meanibgless.

SzGamer2271 votes

They're reverting Ardent Censer to pre-7.17 and removing the on-hit heal.

7.17

  • Bonus attack speed changed to 25% at all levels from 20% - 35% (based on level).
  • On-hit magic damage and healing changed to 25 at all levels from 20 - 35 (based on level).

PBE

  • Passive effect's Attack speed bonus changed to 20% - 40%
  • Passive damage changed to 20 - 40 (On-hit healing removed)

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