Riven is Broken

OlafRagnarson·Sep 20, 2015·10 votes·1,141 views

I'm not letting this go. I just trashed her in lane with Aatrox, never died against her...and she still wins up 19 kills and carries the team. I know all of the arguments, and they are all bad. She is great in team fights. Her CC is stupid effective. Her shield is nonsense, her mobility is out of control. Her damage is insane. She is broke. Why can't everyone agree on this. I have always believed her to be broke beyond any other champion. I don't understand how people defend her, and I'm really tired of it. uninteresting champion. I stand by my belief that peoples at Riot don't want to fix her for personal reasons. Someone high up really likes her and thinks she shouldn't be changed. I could be wrong, but I can't figure out why such an obvious broke champion remains unchanged.

40 Comments

ScriptBrandSep 20, 20157 votes

she isn't broken at all. ppl just don't respect her cooldowns. riven is easily outplayed if you count her timers. she uses 2 qs? dont get close until she uses a 3rd or it times out. track her flash, most kills riven gets are because of flash or you walk up to her when she has her e available.

OlafRagnarsonSep 20, 20154 votes

Pffff, you can say that about any champion. Just watch their cool downs. That is a moot point.

DrNovaSep 23, 20151 votes

No its not, its exactly the point. If you are brushing off that key point as insignificant, its no wonder you have trouble with her

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20152 votes

Yes it is. You are saying if you play carefully you can win. Great. And she can TP to bot lane CC 3 champions and get a triple kill. Can I control that? No. Does it literally happen almost every game against her when I am ahead in lane. YES.

DrNovaSep 23, 20151 votes

So basically you are saying she isn't broken your teammates just suck.

If she tp's bit take tower, push lane. Win.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20151 votes

I do. So I guess my teammates always suck because she nearly always can pull it off

HolyCrapItsMeSep 23, 20151 votes

That is hardly fair, she has really short cooldowns and with her massive amount of mobility its pretty tough to stay away enough to respect those cooldowns.

HEAljvLykdSep 20, 20155 votes

Rekt.

Yordle XayahSep 22, 20155 votes

She has a quote literally telling Riot to rework her

"What is broken can be reforged" http://files-cloud.enjin.com/smiley/80643_rsz_rsz_rsz_1rsz_1rsz_kappa.png

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20152 votes

Rabid Riven Mains down voted you for that. They are rabid and insane and won't ever see reason.

The Sword SaintSep 23, 20154 votes

Every single aspect of riven's kit is interact able. All of her abilities are skillshots, they can all miss or be dodged. She's not pantheon with a point and click ranged spear for harass on low cd and a point and click stun and one non point and click skill that's only used when they're stunned anyways.

Anyone who fights riven can outplay her by the nature of her kit. In exchange, she has tools to survive bad lanes or falling behind such as her shield and waveclear to farm under turret, and a close range stun to deter dives.

She already has counterplay woven into her kit. She's not a ball of stats. Therefor (amoung other reasons) she won't be getting a rework - or at least if she ever does it will be completely different from darius/garen/skarner/mord and for different reasons entirely.

Also, she builds only ad and does only physical damage as a specific design decision to play up her role as leagues version of a fighting game character. It's not a random coincidence that you just happened to notice that she only has ad ratios and does only ad damage.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20152 votes

Dude, any champ can out play any champ. That is not the point. The point is, she has a fast cool down on her mobility, (faster than aatrox's dive, does not cost mana or health, and can cc more people in team fights), a shield that scales of AD, insane scaling and damage...shes just ridiculous. If she needed mana I would be happy. Why does she get a pass on that? I don't have a problem with any other champ the way I do with her. She violates too many rules and does too much well. I don't care if she has weakness or can be outplayed. That's moot. javascript:;

The Sword SaintSep 23, 20154 votes

Aatrox gets a free ga. What's your point? Different champs are different. Riven has no resource, she doesn't have an attack speed boost instead of a resource like Aatrox does, nor does she have any sustain at all. They're just different.

BoulderoxSep 22, 20153 votes

problem is riven is like a katarina, she can be 0/10 by mid game, but one teamfight and she can snowball off of that, which I think is complete bull. She has more than she deserves. She IS THE ONLY CHAMPION WITH AN AD SCALING SHIELD ffs. change that and i think she will be in a better spot, because who the HELL gets armor from dashing forward, it makes 0 sense.

RawEchoesSep 22, 20154 votes

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problem is riven is like a katarina, she can be 0/10 by mid game, but one teamfight and she can snowball off of that, which I think is complete bull. She has more than she deserves. She IS THE ONLY CHAMPION WITH AN AD SCALING SHIELD ffs. change that and i think she will be in a better spot, because who the HELL gets armor from dashing forward, it makes 0 sense.

Idk i feel like... when im playing riven unless I actually get kills i become a cc bot that is less useful in a teamfight than a 0-20 urgod And if you dodge rivens w, and 3rd q, which is relatively easy to do, you will win almost any trade against her

BoulderoxSep 22, 20151 votes

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Idk i feel like... when im playing riven unless I actually get kills i become a cc bot that is less useful in a teamfight than a 0-20 urgod And if you dodge rivens w, and 3rd q, which is relatively easy to do, you will win almost any trade against her

but that is just it, If i stomp riven in lane, she just gets fed off an adc or APC that over extends, she appears at the end of a teamfight and sweeps us all. she can be dealt with 1v1 but if she has flash she has a free kill on your carry if she wants. That is my problem.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20153 votes

I agree. She can go get a triple at bot lane and suddenly shes fed. Shes total BS and I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone, that so many players can't seem to understand it.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20152 votes

Dude, if you dodge anyone's ability and time things right any champion can beat any champion. That is totally moot. All things being equal is the context here. Not, "well if you are good she is easy to beat"

Mr Broken WingsSep 22, 20152 votes

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problem is riven is like a katarina, she can be 0/10 by mid game, but one teamfight and she can snowball off of that, which I think is complete bull. She has more than she deserves. She IS THE ONLY CHAMPION WITH AN AD SCALING SHIELD ffs. change that and i think she will be in a better spot, because who the HELL gets armor from dashing forward, it makes 0 sense.

Simply no.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20151 votes

No? Why not?

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20151 votes

Wow you got down voted for that. The Riven fans are amazing.

RivvySep 22, 20152 votes

"I'm not going to let this go. Aatrox is so broken. He has 2 forms of CC, one provided as a mobile knockup and an almost impossible to dodge skill shot that slows, he has a steroid that increases his attack speed and attack range. He also has a built in damage steroid every third hit. His passive gives him a revive and attack speed. This champion is so broken, completely uninteresting. Why isn't everyone agreeing on this?" Its so good to only list strengths to argue that a champion isn't balanced.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20151 votes

That's the point. What are her weaknesses? Please give me some examples of these so called weaknesses....and try not to make them weaknesses that are true for most champions.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20151 votes

Either address the topic or leave. Looking at your match history you have some real gems. Lets see: 2/9n xin 3/7 warwick 3/7 jax....

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20151 votes

Haha wow. His CC is nowhere nearly as effective, and quite literally everything can interrupt it. His poke is very slow and easy to dodge and does baby damage. Many MANY champions have a built in way to increase attack speed....and if Aatrox is out of combat for just s few seconds...it goes down. Nice job, but you made no point at all. Riven doesn't need attack speed, btw, she spams abilities costing her NOTHING, not health or mana, doing massive damage.

RivvySep 23, 20151 votes

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Haha wow. His CC is nowhere nearly as effective, and quite literally everything can interrupt it. His poke is very slow and easy to dodge and does baby damage. Many MANY champions have a built in way to increase attack speed....and if Aatrox is out of combat for just s few seconds...it goes down. Nice job, but you made no point at all. Riven doesn't need attack speed, btw, she spams abilities costing her NOTHING, not health or mana, doing massive damage.

"Riven's CC is nowhere near effective, and quite literally everything can interrupt it. She has no poke at all and needs to be in melee range to do anything. If she gets kited she does baby damage." See what I did there? Nice job, you have proven that everything about your own post, and everything that you have posted thus far is meaningless.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20151 votes

Go troll another thread, Riven fanboy.

HolyCrapItsMeSep 23, 20151 votes

Dude you can keep trying this cheap trick, but it doesnt work at all, kiting riven is hardly an easy job because of her 4 gap closers (I agree Qs are small but they still close distance), she has no weaknesses, her only weak moment is when shes on cooldowns, but she has such low cooldowns that it doesnt even matter, aatrox needs to be in combat to be fully efficiant and kiting him is a lot easier than riven, especially because of the long cooldown on his E.

Aatrox has sustain, but he needs to be in constant combat for maximum efficiancy, and even then he just barely reaches rivens strength.

just add %Hp true damage and shell be on the cancer list with fiora and vayne.

MegaManYYZSep 22, 20152 votes

looking at your match, you quite literally die to her in lane 10min into the match. and goldwise, you guys were quite close, throughout the game. so trashing her is an overstatement.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20151 votes

Dude, Ive played against her many time since I've posted this. You are probably looking at not the match I'm talking about.

MegaManYYZSep 23, 20151 votes

nope, i'm talking about the one you were talking about, she had 19 kills at the end of the game. you still died 10 mins into the game to her in lane.

WolfessSep 23, 20152 votes

bleh, deleted my own post.. should have just edited... anyway

Aatrox gets a free ga. What's your point? Different champs are different. Riven has no resource, she doesn't have an attack speed boost instead of a resource like Aatrox does, nor does she have any sustain at all. They're just different.

aatrox has a resource. his own hp. riven doesn't need atk speed, she uses skills between attacks. and she has an atk multiplier on her passive and her ult. plus all her skills are aoes. plus aatrox ult is on a cooldown while riven's is constant.

aatrox needs to be in constant combat to unleash his auto-based damage. riven just waits for cooldowns, goes in, spams abilities and autos in between, and exits, and waits for cooldowns again.

OlafRagnarsonSep 23, 20151 votes

Exactly.

WolfessSep 23, 20151 votes

It's not really a fix to counter Riven, but here's a general tip. It seems kinda lame to just mention this at this point but whatevs.

as any champion vs riven, try to play safe, it's obvious riven is a very annoying champion to lane against but chances are the enemy laner knows riven is a cheese champ, which is why they picked her, freelo etc. There is a good chance they are going to be cocky or overconfident. Let them push lane a bit and if you're fortunate enough to have an awesome fistbump type of jungler, coordinate with them on letting riven push to turret and then try to make her waste a rotation of Q and then gank her. She loses a good chunk of mobility and power from having her Q on cooldown early on with no cdr. 2v1 her and them farm up your lane, then go B, buy to start outscaling her in either power or defense, and go back to lane to keep playing defensively. It sounds like a douche thing for me to say but let them get angry, you just sit tight and farm up all that minion gold near your turret so that instead of getting thirsty against her and making accidents or mistakes, you have gold for items that you will want/need for the teamfight. when the teamfight starts and your team (hopefully) has some nice CC waiting, riven won't be able to do much initiating without risks.

honetly if you dislike riven, i would recommend practicing a kennen top. I played it once and got matched against a riven (idk how good they were honestly though) and I just charged my passive W with autos and if i saw them try to cs, i'd smack them with it and then use the W active to get the free targeted damage from the marks of the storm. If she tried to initiate, i'd E away. if she managed to hit me and i'd touch her, that gives me another chance to proc W. and after 6 if she tried to dive me under turret, i'd ult her and womp her. but like I said, i don't check sites like op.gg so idk how good they honestly were with riven.

Baseball3bSep 23, 20151 votes

As a pretty frequent riven player I can confirm that kennen completely trashes her

warpenguin555Sep 22, 20151 votes

sir im gonna have to ask you to step out of your car and give me a link as evidence

Mr Broken WingsSep 23, 20151 votes

The higher you get in elo the more people know how to handle her and it gets VERY rare that people bitch about her. And oh wonder: https://gyazo.com/3e03d30d466f85f5a73df738cb9c5ce5