So you are telling me I can't get mastery 6 with ryze because I need 500 blue essence? Doesn't matter that I got 2 S grades with him. Doesn't matter that I'm at 60k mastery with him. It only matters that I buy chests to have a chance at getting the blue essence I need. (I'm far from the worst case. I know a guy who has 800k with azir and he cant get 6 cause he doesn't want to spend money on league) Riot you are a joke.
xevi25 votesSoon you can buy random champ shards for IP. But yeah, it sucks that you have to play other champs to get chest for blue essence to reach a MASTERY level for a champ. That in a sense ruins the point of the mastery levels 6 and 7 if you have to pay/grind on other champs to reach it.
Elikain7 votesIt does not suck actually. This system exists for the people who already have all champions and champion shards are useless for them. This way, they can disenchant them (or use the same champion shard) and use them as a Mastery Progression and 500 essence is practically nothing.
The other part of the Mastery lvl 6 and & 7 (that i've heard nothing but complaints about how you can achieve it) actually asks of you to play 2 and 3 games respectively and EARN AN S- OR S RANKING to be granted a Champion Mastery token, that you use to Upgrade your Mastery Level. These are your skill promos, if you want to progress further. Show off your champion mastery and earn a high grade with them to prove it.
Achieving lvl 5 mastery is practically just playing about 30 games with the champion. It shows consistency and dedication while the lvl 6 and 7 show off your true mastery in a limited number of games. Think of a lvl 6 as your Tier to Tier progression (win 2 ouf ot 3 games - earn an S- or higher 2x to get 2 champion tokens) while lvl 7 is Division to Division (win 3 out of 5 games - earn S or higher 3x to earn 3 champion tokens).
People have been asking for an IP dump (people who have all champs) and Riot will also put the random champion shard on sale in the shop for IP, because they don't want people being gated by the RNG from Hextech Loot when it comes to achieving higher levels of mastery for champions.
#The system needs to be fair for all people to use, there shouldn't be any extra content that you can never use for anything, feeling like you are getting cheated out of item value.
Velzard of Koz7 votesI love how you spend all this time telling us how the system works, what we know, giving one whole paragraph to how those S marks are the skill and totally excluded the fact it needs the additional Essence everyone is complaining about. Only place mentoining it still do not justify it for others. LOL.
We know why the Essence was implemented, just people think implementing it here was dumb.
Cynika3 votesIn every single mastery thread on this forum, someone has the argument the person above you had.
They are obviously missing the point (that people like that you need S ranking, they hate that you're gated by essences) and you aren't able to reason with them. FeelsBadMan
Elikain3 votesIt doesn't really matter what you think is dumb or not, it was implemented for the people who had the problem of having 0 value out of champion shards/had all the champions and having nothing to do with the IP. The majority of League players have gotten the Hextech Crafting in it's simplest form because it was Riot's job to get it out fast and then add to it later. It served the majority well but everyone should be included in it, this addition was meant for them and for us too (if you were not lucky with the RNG in Hextech). The next stop is probably one-trick ponies.
Is disenchanting 2-3 champion shards for the required essences that insurmountably hard? It wouldn't be LoL boards if the daily quota of complaints wasn't being filled every day.
Cynika9 votesThe issue most people have with this system: why is mastery tied into a system of getting free skins/champions (and subsequently have mastery as the outlet for people who already have all champions)? There's 0 logical sense, which is why people are upset with this system. It's out of principle.
And yes disenchanting essences is insurmountably hard if you want to upgrade more than one champion mastery faster than a month. It actually takes longer than a month. 400k mastery points with vladimir here, stuck at lvl 6 with my 3 tokens needing 400 more essences. And that's with a month's worth of boxes. Still have a lot of other champs that I have mastery shards for, but need essences.
And before you mention how they are adding champion shards to store for 1700 IP, that still means I have to sacrifice getting champions, runes, rune pages to show I put in the effort to master a champion.
TLDR: there is 0 logic to this system, that's why people hate it
Elikain3 votesAnd before you mention how they are adding champion shards to store for 1700 IP, that still means I have to sacrifice getting champions, runes, rune pages to show I put in the effort to master a champion.
Imagine that, to get something of value, you have to pay for it. Well i'll be damned. Tell me, do you just go to the store and pick up the things you need to take home, without paying for them? You want everything for free, is that it?
T2 and T3 runes are literally cheap as fuck, champions you always had to buy with IP or play them on a free week rotation and having to bother yourself with upgrading a few champions to lvl 6 and 7 Mastery will REQUIRE ACTUAL WORK? What's next? Complaining that playing for 30 games for lvl 5 Mastery (on multiple champions i might add) is too hard so you'd want the experience to be automatically granted to you on a daily basis just because you have a League account and you can't be bothered to play more than a few games a day?
**My goodness, you people are evolving into a bunch of lazy players, day by day. **
The issue most people have with this system: why is mastery tied into a system of getting free skins/champions
Oh look, Riot saw the opportunity to use the system for something else as well and inherently fix some of the problems the minority of players faced. But we can't have that if the solution to the problem isn't lore friendly, now can we?
In the end, if you hate the system, don't use it. That's all i can say. I can't change your opinion but i can call you out on it if your opinion is stupid.
Cynika7 votesAnd to think we could have a civil discussion without making personal attacks. I was angsty when I was 12 too, I guess you'll grow up one day.
Imagine that, to get something of value, you have to pay for it. Well i'll be damned. Tell me, do you just go to the store and pick up the things you need to take home, without paying for them? You want everything for free, is that it?
Considering my account is relatively new and I still need a lot of champions and more runes/rune pages? Yes I don't want to have to use IP to show I played my mains a lot.
I have 400k mastery points on Vladimir alone (and got all the S tokens pretty fast), I think I put the work in to show I have "mastery"
T2 and T3 runes are literally cheap as fuck, champions you always had to buy with IP or play them on a free week rotation and having to bother yourself with upgrading a few champions to lvl 6 and 7 Mastery will REQUIRE ACTUAL WORK? What's next?
T2 runes yes, but they suck. T3 runes can get pretty expensive. And I'm not saying "oh no I have to pay IP for champions!", I'm just saying why do I have to burn my IP to show I have mastery on a champion I already own?
Complaining that playing for 30 games for lvl 5 Mastery (on multiple champions i might add) is too hard so you'd want the experience to be automatically granted to you on a daily basis just because you have a League account and you can't be bothered to play more than a few games a day?
I never said any of this. I like the fact that you have to play games on a champ to earn mastery, and I love that you need S games to get to 6 and 7. I just don't like that it's gated behind blue essence. Please, just make it so you don't need blue essence but need more S games to go up in mastery.
Oh look, Riot saw the opportunity to use the system for something else as well and inherently fix some of the problems the minority of players faced. But we can't have that if the solution to the problem isn't lore friendly, now can we?
There are other solutions many other people have suggested for those players, it doesn't logically make sense for what they're doing with mastery.
In the end, if you hate the system, don't use it. That's all i can say. I can't change your opinion but i can call you out on it if your opinion is stupid.
Same
Velzard of Koz3 votesIt doesn't really matter what you think is dumb or not, it was implemented for the people who had the problem of having 0 value out of champion shards/had all the champions and having nothing to do with the IP.
Oh, darling, the argument.
Same here. Poeple have no problem grinding S marks for the tokens (as they should be able to get them to proove their skill), they question what Gathering Chests from other champs or purchasing them and the RNG factor of whether you'll get Blue Essence/champ shard has to do with their devotion to that one champion.
How can this be solved? The entire chest-grinding will be replaced with IP shard they need IP grinded for, so they at least can grind it with the champ they are "devoting" to. BUT, this feature is not present yet so for those people the system seems either incomplete, as if only 8/10 of it was released, or irrelevant to one's devotion to the champ. And that, my dear Watson, is dumb situation made by simple mistake of not waiting that one patch and releasing it together.
I am all for making good ways for those who own all champs and have spare shards/essences/IP but this feels very forced for those people which is why they complain and think it sucks.
Is disenchanting 2-3 champion shards for the required essences that insurmountably hard? It wouldn't be LoL boards if the daily quota of complaints wasn't being filled every day.
I recieved so far 9 chests, no Blue Essence from them, one Olaf champion shard for possible 263 essence. I am not complaining I'd need more champion shards, but with this RNG factor, yes, for some people it feels like they need to master for chests 20 totally different champions for chance of two shards and one BE portion to level up ONE champion by ONE level. And some will manage to level up three champion by two levels within those 20 chests. Is it too hard for you to understand not all people are lucky/unlucky like you? Oh, it wouldn't be LOL boards If there weren't egocentric people, using your words *wink* *wink*.
Elikain2 votesexchange shards that you don't need for LP"
This is literally you being an ass for the sake of being an ass. What Riot offers is a small exchange in value in terms of essences and you have to take it too far. For the moment, this solution fixes problems some people face, there's nothing stopping them from working on more solutions to more problems in the future. But that's the thing, isn't it? They don't have all the solutions to all your problems right now and that's unnacceptable?
random champ tokens for IP are not available yet
You're giving me that vibe that you think you know how to solve every problem with League and that Riot should have never released anything unless they could fix all of the problems of a certain system, in the past and in the future.
The thing is, being a perfectionist means that you'll be disappointed at every turn because nothing is perfect. And it's no one else's fault that you're constantly being disappointed but your own. You literally can't enjoy anything, you're constantly nagging regardless of how small of an inconvenience it is for you. FYI, i have also opened 9 chests myself and i haven't gotten a single champion shard. So what? You don't see me on the boards pissing all over Riot for not having the solution to my problem sooner. A minor setback perhaps but my Mastery hasn't been denied, just delayed a bit. I also have a small champion pool and 20 champions in it. I don't even play those 20 champions, probably 12-14 and 9 chests already gotten. So i have 5 more chests to go through unless i want to branch out and i most certainly don't want to do that, which is a restriction i imposed on myself, Riot didn't make me do it. I don't want to force myself to grind chests for champions i don't enjoy playing.
Is it too hard for you to understand not all people are lucky/unlucky like you?
No, it isn't. If we're talking about champion shards, i haven't been lucky myself. My Morgana and Lux are awaiting their deserved lvl 6 Mastery, just like everyone else. What IS hard for me to understand is that you're complaining about RNG existing in an RNG based system and trying to appeal to Riot that you have been wronged in some way, by having bad luck. That's called "complaining for the sake of complaining". It's when you literally can't find a good reason to complain but you'll make one up and then pave the way with sophistry, just to make it sound legit but in the end, it's still wrong.
KhaZixTheScyther7 votesRNG should not be used in a system that shows your skill with a champion. That is like saying "you cannot get an A+ in this course because you picked the wrong straw"
Elikain2 votesI feel like i'm talking to brick walls because you don't show any signs of intelligence nor understanding why something exists in the current form.
#Riot is putting random champion shards in the store for IP so that you can get your fix of small blue essences needed for unlocking lvl 6 and 7 Mastery so that you don't have to deal with RNG from the Hextech.
Does anyone here read any news about League of Legends? At this point, it's not even worth my time to try to shead some light on the matter because you people firmly believe your opinions on how the things could have gotten done are the one and true solutions to every Riot's problem and the fact that they're not doing exactly as you have commanded always paints them in a bad light.
Velzard of Koz1 votesNo the problem is not our inteligence (I made General understanding test [based on part of IQ test] when attending university and was among 2% best rated people), but you not reading properly the point of others.
I do not act like I have solution to every Riot's problem. I don't have solution for fixing Karthus' current state. See? Something I wouldn't be able to fix. My whole point was from the very beginning (as I described in the paragraph you obviously missed) that the IP shard is crucial part of the system and should have been released together and there would be only few people ranting that the IP price is high (which is, but that will only scare off new players that still have runepages/runes/champions to pay for, If that's what Riot wants I have no problem). Other than that, people would feel Mastery's point remains regardless of levels - devotion to THAT champ. You needed devotion for 1-5, you'll need more devotion (grinding IP) and skill (tokens) for 6&7. The IP requirement still feels forced and pointless, but people will be able to grind it with champs they are devoted to, so I believe it'd be lesser evil for most.
So summa sumarum: I don't expect them to make things perfect. But the IP token was crucial feature and its lack is the root of the rant. You're weak argument "It'll get better by time, you can't expect it being perfect from start" is irrelevant here. If someone gave you access to good car but it would lack wheels, teeling you they'll allow you to buy the wheels soon but for now you have to carve them from wood, people would complain "How does my skill in carving wheel from wood has to do anything with my skill of driving?" and you'd tell them "Well, you're perfectionist, they can't release everything perfect right away", how ridiculous it would look. Car without radio is imperfection. Car without wheels is lackluster. The fact you have issues seeing the difference and offend my inteligence amuses me. If the IP shard was released now and it would cost 3k IP while Riot would say they'll reduce the price by time once they test the ratios, your argument would be relevant, that would be just waiting for perfection (as that would be balancing, not expanding). But my whole point was that the IP shard is crucial for the system the way wheels are crucial for car.
Also, you somehow magically got impression I am the one pissed an that I claim Riot wrong me. Lolz. I do not care about Mastery so no, it doesn't piss me off, but Riot made mistake not releasing the IP shard with this and that's what I say and you can start jumping on your head but my point shall stand.
Last but not least, I may be "being ass for the sake of being an ass" but you're yet another case of very ordinary apologist, the kind I've encountered in debates many times before, nothing special. The kind that lives under the Projection fallacy really intensivly and those who don't follow the fallacy of yours are mistaken/spoiled/lazy. Your way really remind me of apologists who defend former socialism "Well it wasn't perfect, but nothing is perfect right away, you didn't give time to make ti perfect, holaho, Imagonna ignore the difference between something flawful and something imperfect, life is so izi".
Elikain2 votesAnd i already know how you "debate" things with everyone. In most of the threads about Riot doing something wrong about yet another something something that the community clearly knows a better solution to, you're always there and always against them. And now you tell me " i don't even care about this" but yet you act like your opinion should matter, if you don't give a damn. My issue with your dumb opinions is just that - you don't care and yet you are here pretending you should be listened to and that your opinion has any value. The fact that you are able to post your opinion on these boards does not mean you are entitled to a place where people are obligated to listen to it.
You want some examples?
LGU and the Replay System, Sandbox controversy. Just to name a few. In a sense you, as a player, only has the power to suggest a feature or a change you'd like to see in a game, you do not have the right to demand it or pretend like you're the Riot's Department of Resources Manager and tell them how and when they are to deliver us client features. None of the features the community has requested are possible in the Legacy Client and yet when Riot explained that, no one was satisfied with the explanation but you kept being spoiled little children and kept bashing your heads against the wall as a sign of protest, if you don't get what what you want and then blamed them for the injuries the protest caused you.
#If you don't care about something, piss off the specific threads.
Velzard of Koz2 votesAnd i already know how you "debate" things with everyone.
I wasn't the first one to talk about talking to brick walls without sign of inteligence. wink I wasn't the one to call someone's opinion dumb wink
In most of the threads about Riot doing something wrong about yet another something something that the community clearly knows a better solution to, you're always there and always against them.
Someone's done research? I have my first stalker. I might do the same and say in most threads I found you go against others and being apologist. But some of the points were valid, what should that even proove about this one coversation, lol. BTW care to explain more? I defend Riot on some places a lot, too, I even like new Client a lot, many things were inteligently designed there. So?
My issue with your dumb opinions is just that - you don't care and yet you are here pretending you should be listened to and that your opinion has any value.
I don't care whether I'll earn Mastery or not, so no, it doesn't bother me. But it doesn't mean I can't see someone's point and say my opinion or interpret fact about something missing crucial feature. You know what else I don't have to care about? Woman rights. Yet should I live with this mindset back in early 20th century, hell would I voice my opinion against the unlogical system of "we'll push you into this place and then we'll use argument ,You belong to that place by nature'". Your logic that people can voice their opinions only on matter they care about is rather selfish. Minorities would hardly get attention this way.
And I don't pretend people shoud listen to me, you act like that, telling me to piss off.
The fact that you are able to post your opinion on these boards does not mean you are entitled to a place where people are obligated to listen to it.
And yet you tell me to piss off? Lol, yes, apply your right for free speech to deny my right for free speech. Makes sense. Just because you have right to tell me your opinion that my opinions are dumb doesn't mean I'll "piss off". You are not entitled to command such things to others.
This one paragraph you wrote was one of the biggest hyprocitical billshots I've ever seen. ,,Just coz you have right to criticize doesn't mean we'll listen to it. But you have to listen to me saying you should piss off." No, I don't have right to make people listen to me, but neither have you, so look into the mirrot before you judge others Mr. Queen of the world.
I didn't make anyone to listen to me. You did. Congratz.
In a sense you, as a player, only has the power to suggest a feature or a change you'd like to see in a game, you do not have the right to demand it or pretend like you're the Riot's Department of Resources Manager and tell them how and when they are to deliver us client features.
And neither am I telling them to. I merely suggest it was mistake not to release it together. Am I standing with some banners in front of Meddler demanding SoloQ?
None of the features the community has requested are possible in the Legacy Client and yet when Riot explained that, no one was satisfied with the explanation but you kept being spoiled little children and kept bashing your heads against the wall as a sign of protest, if you don't get what what you want and then blamed them for the injuries the protest caused you.
What a nice generalization.
#If you don't care about something, piss off the specific threads.
Joseph Stalin would be proud of this philosophy "I'll try to silence those who voice opinions I don't like". Now who's acting like a spoiled child?
KhaZixTheScyther3 votesthe skill of a champion should not lie behind the need to BUY SOMETHING thats my point but obviously you cannot read
Elikain1 votesHonestly, me having to repeat myself every time is becoming quite boring: The Hextech System is being used to solve a very specific problem for people who have all champions unlocked and have no value in either champion shards (blue essence) of large quantities of IP. People who aren't in this predicament clearly don't have this issue so it does not affect us or impedes our progress towards higher levels of mastery at all.
If an opinion like this one is true in your book: "nothing about the champion mastery feels like mastering a champion", then the argument you're trying make is irrelevant to the case. Consider this to be nothing more than solving a very specific issue with limited resources (tying it to an already existing system rather than making a new one before the LCU is released).
As for the moment, It's here to stay and i don't mind it one bit. You can chose not to partake in this experience just like people refused to play S6 and wait it out so go outside and pursue some other lifelong goals. My advice to you is that if the majority of the changes to League aren't to your liking, it may be the time to quit. And if this is the case, please refrain yourself from making your decision public (on boards).
Good day.
KhaZixTheScyther3 votesok so youre telling me you are apart of riot and can see that they have not enough resources to properly fix this issue among others? just because you feel that you know everything and are being a passive aggresive to try and make it seem like you arent mad, doesn't mean that your opinion is absolutely correct.
Please link me the riot post that says that is what this system was created to get rid of. please give me analytical data that prooves that they dont have the resources. THEN ill believe you.
Cynika2 votesGood luck getting anything out of this guy other than his troll shit arguing about things you never talked about to begin with.
KhaZixTheScyther3 voteswhile this guy has a point in some way he is conveying it wrong and in the complete wrong context.
KhaZixTheScyther2 votesyeah once or twice. i normally keep my mouth shut now adays XD trying out this whole "reforming" thing ever since it started affecting champion mastery
ZeeWolfZ1 votesThis system exists to milk players as much as possible.
This system is for pure profit.
If you think otherwise, you should really read up on business.
Elikain1 votesAre you not worried that you will loose a lot of money from adding these rewards? and what pushed you to actually implementing them?
Rioter's response:
Hey Ancienthardcore,
Great question! We don't try to maximize dollars earned, but rather find a win-win balance of Player Value and Riot Value. We wanted to improve rewards and progression within League of Legends and thought the loot and mastery reward systems would be a great way to give players cool content for playing League and performing well with a diverse group of champs. We are also trying to bring players some of the lowest price points and biggest discounts for purchased content, so players can more easily build their collections.
If you're here to spread misinformation and your conspiracy theories, you know where the door is. Again, if you're not happy about it, no one is forcing you to open your chests and you can freely ignore them or better yet, go play Overwatch. Even if everyone is praising the game, they too also have loot boxes that you can opt to pay for, if you don't find it amusing to get them by playing the game.
##I'm just waiting for you to turn to hypocrisy the moment you realize you are cornered.
Cynika2 votesI'm going to start this by saying I don't think Riot is an evil bloodsucking corporation looking to steal all our money.
However, if you actually think a company that needs to have a decent relationship with its consumers is going to admit doing something purely for money, bless your naive little heart. You probably also think politicians mean what they say.
Elikain1 votesSo you think that your relationship with Riot was indecent, then? Show me on the Blitzcrank skin shard where they touched you. Maybe we can go through this ordeal together :'(
I've been with Riot for 7 years (as a player - that's from beta) and if i am still confident in what they do for the community. Not all of the changes i liked as well but it has never gotten to a point where i'd take my piss an' chips to the boards and try to fling feces in their general direction just so i draw attention to myself.
I'm completely fine with having discussions pertaining the changes and all of us participating in figuring out the improvements they could make but the majority of the threads aren't discussions. I think that you take your "jobs" very seriously. In fact, it's so serious that you forget that you're SUGGESTING features and improvements, you're not MAKING them. That attitude translates to whenever Riot doesn't do what the community suggested, they organize a riot and take it to the boards.
I think it's a mistake that they didn't clearly define their relationship with us because you people seem to go off a deep end way too often and they are allowed to vent their frustrations on the boards. I think that they don't want to to be the bad guys but the risk for this freedom is that anyone can say anything and they won't be promptly removed from the premises.
Screw politics.
Cynika2 votesYour reading comprehension skills are very low man, your ACT score must've sucked (if you're old enough to have even taken it yet).
Please tell me where I said my relationship with Riot is bad?
These boards are essentially a sounding board for (you guessed it) gameplay and balance. People bounce off their ideas of the current features of the game, giving their suggestions. Riot can choose to implement or ignore these suggestions (that is their right). And we are free to continue posting about it. If it hurts you so much, then don't read these forums.
You saying "screw politics" in response to my post means you had no clue what I was talking about. My advice to you moving forward is this: actually read and try to understand what people are saying. You keep responding and making counter arguments to an argument that no one made. It's incredibly counter productive and leads to you looking like an immature ass. Good day, sir
Elikain1 votesYou're pretty much asking me to read through your garbage posts again and find some sort of value in it. That's a bit too much. You know the saying "you can't polish a turd". In this case, you're the one who is leaving it behind and if you want for others to take you seriously, perhaps the best course of action is to take a page out of your own book and start meaningfully contributing to the boards for once.
This is a sounding board for discussions and opinions and not for the people like you to use as an echo chamber where the only propagating sound is the sound of your ever inflating egos.
Cynika2 votes(If you're trolling congrats you won, I can't help but keep responding/feeding you)
You keep responding with multiple paragraph responses, so yes I would figure you would at least do a pass over what I had wrote and had a general idea of what I was trying to say. But if that's not the case let me follow this with what you do:
How can you say banana cream pudding tastes bad? You're obviously not taking the chef's feeling into account when you say it always tastes bad! Your taste buds have aspergers and your mom has AIDS.
Did I mention I'm right because God sanctioned my birth and Donald Trump shook my hand when I was 5?
O'doyle rules
LICENSED HOOKER1 votesIts still dumb that i have to use ip, since i STILL only have 3 rune pages cause they're 6300 for some reason..
Deaeras15 votesYou asked for mastery level 6 and 7, they gave you it. You asked for free shit, they gave you it. Don't complain about what you have, and don't complain about Riot. They fucking know what they're doing. They want a way to reward the veteran players, and they did it properly. Quit your bitching and start your grinding.
TheLittlestLulu26 votesYou asked for mastery level 6 and 7, they gave you it. You asked for free shit, they gave you it.
Literally putting words in people's mouths.
Jorencice15 votesI mean it's true. People have been asking for a way to earn skins since the game started.
They make a way to do it and shit tons of people bitch that the free skins aren't free enough...
And let's be honest everyone knows masteries have nothing to do with the actual mastery of a champ. It's more the "I have WAY to much time on my hands"
Marshbouy11 votesI never asked for either of those. Hextech at it's essence is fine, but don't lock important things like Mastery levels 6-7 behind it
Verdade2 votesImportant...?
Feathermane2 votesI never asked for either of those. Hextech at it's essence is fine, but don't lock important things like Mastery levels 6-7 behind it
If you consider mastery level 6 important, even within the context of this game, your screws are coming loose. It's about as important as the 2014 Team Coast summoner icon.
Jeddy01710 votesWho the hell is bitching? Riot release this subpar update to champion mastery. Players are providing criticisms as feedback so Riot can improve upon it.
Sukishoo5 votesEveryone that makes these threads really kind of is "bitching". Considering "Champion Mastery" truly means little as it's just a number of points with a number emblem attached to the side of it that most people love to spam rather then actually prove they are good with the champion.
I have two level 6 champions and about 35 level 5 champs... so yeah does that mean I've "mastered" them? I really don't think it does.
LoL Ergo Urgot6 votesThey know what they are doing. Anyone who is a gamer (Rioters are gamers) knows that needing blue essence isn't ideal for this type of system. Hell, I have been sitting on 488 ever since this 6 and 7 came out. This is why they are coming out with ways to get blue essence more easily.
Notice, they didn't give this ip for blue essence during 6 and 7's initial release on purpose to milk impatient players money. Further notice they didn't make the 6 and 7 mastery immediately with the hex crate system because they wanted players to get S's with their best champions and use chests so they would buy more for blue essence. Riot is a business after all.
Articality6 votesWhy are people so anal about getting level 6 and 7? Its just a cosmetic, nothing more nothing less.
CoronaGulp5 votesLevels 1-5 were 100% participation: get a threshold of x amount of mastery points to level up.
Levels 6-7 are now part participation, part performance. The performance part, getting the S rate, is clear to you, however there is also another requirement to level into that mastery, the participation.
Instead of using a threshold of X amount of mastery points, like in levels 1-5, riot has come up with a price for champion shards.. that are the IP equivalent of the levels 6-7 mastery point thresholds that are expected of players to achieve their mastery 6 and 7 achievements.
For example: (keep in mind these aren't actually the numbers riot uses but it's the process and math behind this example that riot uses)
If it takes 6,000 IP to reach 60,000 Mastery points (the theoretical level 6 threshold) and it takes about 3 champion shards to reach 500 blue essence, then the cost of each champion shard will be 2,000 IP.
(this is assuming that the ratio between IP to mastery points is 1 to 10)
(cost of champion shard in IP) x (champion shards needed to reach blue essence) = (IP required for mastery threshold)
A = (Cost of champion shard in IP) B = (Champion shards needed to reach blue essence) C = (IP required for mastery threshold)
so... it's a simple equation of....
A x B = C
This is called Price, or the cost of something.
A:::::::: will always be fixed, it's going to be a price in the store.
B:::::::: will be determined by the blue essence requirement for each level, which is calculated by a fixed number: average blue essence worth of a champion shard.
C:::::::: will be determined by the mastery point threshold requirement for each level, which is calculated by a fixed number or ratio (the ratio between IP and mastery points) (1 to 10 for the purpose of this).
Level 6 Price, or the cost equivalent of level 6:
A = Unknown. B = 3, (1 champion shard is about 170 blue essence) C = 6,000 IP (we don't know the threshold but we're going to say 60,000 mastery points) (60,000/10 = 6,000)
This is how we know the price of A is 2,000, (from these assumed ratios of 1 to 10, and the mastery threshold of 60,000)
A x 3 = 6,000
A = 6,000/3
A = 2,000 IP
Notice how the ratios of 1 to 10 AND the threshold mastery of 60,000 are all connected and related to a calculated value of A? The IP cost of a champion shard?
Level 7 Price, or the cost equivalent of level 7:
2,000 IP X 3.5 champion shards = Unknown
A = 2,000 - fixed price of IP in the store. B = 3.5 - 600 blue essence is needed, not 500, so you'll need about 3.5 champion shards instead of 3. (600/170) C = level 7 mastery point threshold IN IP, Since we used 60,000 for level 6 as a starting point, lets calculate the intended level 7, using the price of champion shards (A) and the new requirement of blue essence, or champion shards needed to achieve that blue essence (B)
2,000 x 3.5 = 7,000
C = 7,000... IP required for new threshold, which is 70,000 mastery points.
So it's expected of you to play 6,000 IP worth of games to reach that 60,000 mastery point equivalent to get to level 6 And its expected of you to play 7,000 IP worth of games to reach that 70,000 mastery point equivalent to get to level 7
You can do this with any champ, or the champion you're trying to reach level 6/7 with. It doesn't matter because the performance part of the system IS tied 100% to your champion.
Since the price of the shards will be the same for all levels, to increase the mastery point requirement between 6 and 7, riot increases the necessary blue essence from 500 to 600. (remember that you buy the shards to break them down into the essence to upgrade your mastery level).
Never once are you expected to pay.
It appears that your point of view implies that there is a need for "chance" in order to get the new masteries when in fact it's 100% work; between playing a calculated, expected, amount of games with your champ, and achieving the required S ratings. It also appears that you're under the false impression that you're forced to pay to achieve these things also, when in fact, you are not.
These two things are ultimately leading to your frustration, but keep in mind that they are misunderstood confusion.
Daen3 votesLevels 1-5 were 100% participation: get a threshold of x amount of mastery points to level up.
Levels 6-7 are now part participation, part performance. The performance part, getting the S rate, is clear to you, however there is also another requirement to level into that mastery, the participation.
Instead of using a threshold of X amount of mastery points, like in levels 1-5, riot has come up with a price for champion shards.. that are the IP equivalent of the levels 6-7 mastery point thresholds that are expected of players to achieve their mastery 6 and 7 achievements.
This all begs the question, why determine an IP price that is roughly commensurate with mastery point requirements rather than just...using mastery points? The only reason I can really see is to implement an IP sink, but I'm sure there are less invasive ways to implement that sort of thing.
Since the price of the shards will be the same for all levels, to increase the mastery point requirement between 6 and 7, riot increases the necessary blue essence from 500 to 600. (remember that you buy the shards to break them down into the essence to upgrade your mastery level).
Never once are you expected to pay.
It appears that your point of view implies that there is a need for "chance" in order to get the new masteries when in fact it's 100% work; between playing a calculated, expected, amount of games with your champ, and achieving the required S ratings. It also appears that you're under the false impression that you're forced to pay to achieve these things also, when in fact, you are not.
In the current implementation of the system, you are forced to pay to achieve these mastery levels unless you get extremely lucky with chests. Requiring an IP cost has exactly the same problems as an RP cost (arbitrary resource cost), it's just at a lower magnitude since IP is an easier resource to obtain. Keep in mind, as well, that the champion shards aren't all worth the same amount. You might get a shard worth 150 or you might get a shard worth 300 for the same IP cost, which perpetuates the same RNG problem there is currently.
Ideally, Riot should have three options for obtain Mastery 6 and Mastery 7, in my mind:
This would still allow for a cash and IP sink, but it also allows players to unlock these mastery levels organically through simply playing the champions.
CoronaGulp1 votesWhy not just use mastery points right? Well I'm glad that you recognize this. I'm glad you recognize that you have no idea as to why they did this in the first place. That you state a question that, if answered, suddenly makes sense as to why they did it. That the question you ask, in your view, is absurd for a response other than "there isn't," a good answer.
I've said this many times, I'm just going to give you the short answer.
Blue essence is 100% useless to a small group of players who
All of the loot that they receive from Chests, bought or earned, has the potential to be 100% useless.
Oh but wait a second, this can be said to anyone really, it doesn't exclude anyone from being in those situations at all! Anyone can potentially have useless loot!
You can receive champion shards of champions you already own too. You can have champion permanents of champions you already own too!
Suddenly...
The fact that they tie in blue essence to achieve mastery 6 & 7, Without interfering with your loot, while making your useless loot USEFUL... is a BLESSING! And they manage to do all this while..
The only reason that some individuals don't see it like that, is because they see it like this:
Now I have to sacrifice loot to get to the next mastery. It's very selfish actually. They feel like they have to give up potential gains (gaining more champions through the hextech system), in order to obtain something that was basically given to you for free (levels 1-5). And even though it still is (levels 6-7), that selfish point of view will still remain because you've become emotionally tied to your perspective on the blue essence. You wouldn't dare give it up on something you perceive as free, while you still have use for it.... even though it is.
And all backed by the imperceptible reason as to why they don't just use mastery points, right?
Daen2 votesBlue essence is 100% useless to a small group of players who
- own all champions,
- own champion permanents of champions that they already know.
All of the loot that they receive from Chests, bought or earned, has the potential to be 100% useless.
I am one of these people. I still dislike the fact Riot has decided to gate Champion Mastery, a system that in my mind should be designed around rewarding dedication and skill with champions, behind a pay wall.
The fact that they tie in blue essence to achieve mastery 6 & 7, Without interfering with your loot, while making your useless loot USEFUL... is a BLESSING!
Yes, but there are ways to allow blue essence to be useful without requiring a previously unrelated system to link into Hextech Crafting.
And they manage to do all this while..
- Introducing S ratings, a huge step towards champion performance in mastery levels.
S ratings already existed. If you mean Mastery Tokens, I have absolutely no problem with them whatsoever and actually really like their implementation. This has nothing to do with blue essence, however, and they would exist regardless of the secondary resource cost.
- Keeping a minimum participation aspect with the IP exchange
Mastery Points facilitate the exact same minimum participation aspect, but in a way that has already been set as a precedent with previous Mastery levels and that doesn't require an external exchange rate.
The only reason that some individuals don't see it like that, is because they see it like this:
Now I have to sacrifice loot to get to the next mastery. It's very selfish actually. They feel like they have to give up potential gains (gaining more champions through the hextech system), in order to obtain something that was basically given to you for free (levels 1-5). And even though it still is (levels 6-7), that selfish point of view will still remain because you've become emotionally tied to your perspective on the blue essence. You wouldn't dare give it up on something you perceive as free, while you still have use for it.... even though it is.
Please don't insinuate you know why I (and others) dislike the system. You are attributing your own opinion to the masses, which isn't necessarily accurate.
The reason I don't like the potential IP requirement, personally, is more a matter of principle and my own perspective on what is and isn't good design methodology. Riot essentially completely separated Mastery 1-5 and Mastery 6-7 by replacing the previously established progression mechanic (Mastery Points) with the most generic implementation possible (Influence Points).
If you have a progression system that works well and accomplishes the goals you want, it doesn't make sense to replace it when you expand it. Mastery Points seem to have been relatively successful and are viewed as the core of Mastery 1-5, and with Mastery 6-7 Riot completely removed and replaced that core.
This is why I don't like their approach. They essentially bastardized the previously established system by completely removing its central progression mechanic and replaced it with a combination of pay walls and RNG. They are solving two problems (lack of IP sink and lack of use for blue essence), but they are also making mastery less engaging and less unique in the process.
And all backed by the imperceptible reason as to why they don't just use mastery points, right?
Imperceptible?
TL;DR: If Riot implements an option to upgrade mastery with a high number of mastery points instead of needing blue essence, I have far fewer problems with the system.
CoronaGulp1 votesPerhaps you will have far fewer problems if the system was changed to accommodate your preferences. Unfortunately, or fortunately, the benefits of the many outweighs the benefits of the few. I'm sure Riot appreciates your opinion on the matter. However as of now, the logistics behind why the system is the way it is, continue to be implemented.
Daen2 votesPerhaps you will have far fewer problems if the system was changed to accommodate your preferences. Unfortunately, or fortunately, the benefits of the many outweighs the benefits of the few. I'm sure Riot appreciates your opinion on the matter. However as of now, the logistics behind why the system is the way it is, continue to be implemented.
In other words, you no longer care to debate the topic and are putting forth meaningless platitudes to solidify your position.
Obungo 4 votesWho the hell cares, you will get it eventually if you just play the damn game. Getting that mastary 6 and 500 blue essence shows, along with your "skill" on that champion, that you play the game a lot (enough to get 500 essence).
Stop being impatient pricks, its literally been like 2 weeks since it launched, stupid ass community smh.
Dr Poro4 votesIMO the mastery 6 and 7 mean little more than "I have enough IP/RP to spend to buy this" (IP purchase will be available soon(tm) ).
What mastery 6 and 7 SHOULD be like in my opinion: 6: ±50K points, at least 10 S- games or higher. 7: ±100k points, at least 15 S games or higher.
Few people would be having mastery 7, but it would certainly MEAN something and is a thing to strive towards. 6 is an achievement to get within a reasonable time if you're already rank 5.
ÁCTION IS COMING3 votesYou know what bothers me the most? Mastery 5: Red Mastery 6: Purple Mastery 7: Blue
so you add blue to get mastery 6 then you subtract red from mastery 6 to get mastery 7
Rito pls
