dont judge yuumi so early and ask for buffs

XJ99999999999999·May 15, 2019·2 votes·780 views

yuumi is a very unique champion. Due to her uniqueness, it will take a while, maybe even a month or two, for players to understand what works and what doesn't on her, and her pattern.

I don't think they should buff her and then it turns out she is absolutely broken and we have to deal with a broken support for 1-3 patches.

Front page of reddit had within the 1st 4-6 hours "28% winrate yuumi" when it's just because she's a unique champion (most likely).

Give it time, and after players understand her, then consider buffs/nerfs.

Remember, even when you think you understand something, act like you don't, and delve deeper, trying to understand it.

The champion is a lot like IO from Dota 2. IO is not that popular/low winrate but is highly contested in pro play or banned (last time I checked). Until people realize that types of crazy strats/plays you can do, she will seem weak.

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On My Kill ListMay 15, 20192 votes

sorry but i was around for release bard. atleast with bard he was fun to play with and had some imaginings of being greater.(thanks to his infinite scaling chimes damage and how absurd his ult is for aoe wombo combos) with yuumi there is nothing that truly stands out unique about her. you aren't seeing people make theory crafting threads about yuumi's potential. because there is none. there is no o shit this my chance to shine button. her ult is completely lackluster. her e is lackluster. her q is lackluster. the only thing she has going for is her w mounting gimmick. thats it. yuumi is honestly the worst support release i've ever seen. if ever there was a released champ in need of a rework right off the bat yuumi is probably that champ. i mean its not really suprising league has had many champs throughout its history. would it be that hard to imagine that a newly release champ right off the get go would be a failure kitwise? i was around for lulu and she was AWESOME; maybe abit overtuned but her kit stands out the test of time. same with nami. but with yuumi what does she really offer? even if you were make it so her q hit like a zoes q in terms of dmg it still wouldn't make any sense. it'd be infringing on another champions territory(plus she's a support not a mid laner) even if you buffed her e to point where she could compete with sona and soraka what would be the point? she was never outlined as a pure healer like them and you can only do so much with her ult. you could buff the damage by a large margin. but its still conditional snare. which makes no sense. while we may complain about knockup creep and cc creep in general for once this is an ult that should've been a knockup/stun right from the get go. only changes like that could really save yuumi to be honest. her aa range is also too low for how easily she dies. it'd make more sense if she had 550 or 600 autoattack range. anyways yuumi is just a failure kitwise. there's no real way of saving her. only just number buffs would probably just break her. what she needs is huge changes to her kit. certain skills either removed and replaced with something better. right now there is just no real compelling reason to pick yuumi. shes a failure of a modern champion. im honestly surprised how yuumi got through playtesting like this.

TahngarthorMay 15, 20191 votes

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sorry but i was around for release bard. atleast with bard he was fun to play with and had some imaginings of being greater.(thanks to his infinite scaling chimes damage and how absurd his ult is for aoe wombo combos) with yuumi there is nothing that truly stands out unique about her. you aren't seeing people make theory crafting threads about yuumi's potential. because there is none. there is no o shit this my chance to shine button. her ult is completely lackluster. her e is lackluster. her q is lackluster. the only thing she has going for is her w mounting gimmick. thats it. yuumi is honestly the worst support release i've ever seen. if ever there was a released champ in need of a rework right off the bat yuumi is probably that champ. i mean its not really suprising league has had many champs throughout its history. would it be that hard to imagine that a newly release champ right off the get go would be a failure kitwise? i was around for lulu and she was AWESOME; maybe abit overtuned but her kit stands out the test of time. same with nami. but with yuumi what does she really offer? even if you were make it so her q hit like a zoes q in terms of dmg it still wouldn't make any sense. it'd be infringing on another champions territory(plus she's a support not a mid laner) even if you buffed her e to point where she could compete to sona and soraka what would be the point? she was never outlined as a pure healer like them and you can only do so much with her ult. you could buff the damage by a large margin. but its still conditional snare. which makes no sense. while we may complain about knockup creep and cc creep in general for once this is an ult that should've been a knockup/stun right from the get go. only changes like that could really save yuumi to be honest. her aa range is also too low for how easily she dies. it'd make more sense if she had 550 or 600 autoattack range. anyways yuumi is just a failure kitwise. there's no real way of saving her. only just number buffs would probably just break her. what she needs is huge changes to her kit. certain skills either removed and replaced with something better. right now there is just no real compelling reason to pick yuumi. shes a failure of a modern champion. im honestly surprised how yuumi got through playtesting like this.

I mostly agree with this. I kinda wanna see what the pros think though.

I think the most potential Yuumi has is as a helper to the carry in a 3v3 funnel comp.

XJ99999999999999May 15, 20191 votes

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sorry but i was around for release bard.

no one was using his ult like they do now. no one was using his Q with his ult, or landing his Q's in minion waves.

like i said. this champion is not even a day old, and people are claiming to be experts and know it alls. league is a very different game compared to before, and we might see some crazy strats with her

On My Kill ListMay 15, 20191 votes

here's an example if her e also cleansed her ally in addition to the ms boost and heal now that'd have been unique. maybe a bit overbearing but a worthwhile addition to the game,rather then the generic ms and heal boost it is now that simply is competing in design space with multiple other supports. and thats just one idea i had. if riots going to make yuumi basically an item attachment they should've gone all out. they shouldn't have half assed it by making her 4/10ths of a champion and 6/10ths of an item. anyways for as much slack as you guys give certainlyt atleast he and several other rioters know what they are doing. and make cohesive and interesting kits. the rioters who designed yuumi don't seem to be worth of any note only jonathan(the guy who made pyke) seems to have any talent and daniel seems to be a complete newbie.

Seeko94May 15, 20191 votes

I played it and its broken as hell . Uncatchable . Easy to trade in lane with her passive like she has more range than an adc with her basic attack . The only thing is her damage . Sustain is fine . If you have the skill u can dodge everything but the damage still low in all cases !