I would love to slap everyone who.
Thought Skarner was getting gutted.
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Thought Skarner was getting gutted.
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Thought Skarner was getting gutted.
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This. So many people who didn't know what they were talking about.
Yeah but once his numbers are worked around he will still have that weird crystal mechanic so hopefully that ends up working out when he isn't overtuned.
And he may still end up getting gutted for this rework. They have to hot fix nerf him so we will see where he ends up after that.
This is why PBE never was and never will be a reliable resource for balance testing.
About bugs and feel is ok, but they do have their own testers for power.
They're probably listening to the people on the boards here in which they have not personally tested the champion before telling riot how to balance their champions. Who knows, either way they went overboard on skarner.
PBE players try to warn Riot.
Riot proceeds with next patch like it's nothing.
he'll get nerfed to oblivion anyways and then he'll be gutted
Yeah, I DID say there were TWO possible outcomes for these juggernaut reworks: either they'd be unplayably shit; or they'd come out overtuned as fuck, dominate every game, then be massively overnerfed in response and THEN be unplayably shit. So it's case B. Doesn't mean I was wrong.
I just find it hilarious that i was talking to people about skarner and they were like yeah hes getting gutted, his Q sucks wah wah wah.. and i'm like bro hes wrecking on the pbe. "well im a skarner main so my opinion is right" facepalm
Riot has posted that he's too OP now, and is hotfix nerfing him. Now just wait. A few days later..... "OMG WTF SKARNER SUCKS TRASH TIER CHAMP WTF RIOT BUFF SKARNER WTF???? OMG WTF SKARNER GETS NERFED BUT GRAVES HAS A CIGAR HURRDURR"
exactly, skarner get's a hotfix nerf, but graves can't have a cigar?!?
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Why does skarner even need a nerf just go play your hyper mobile Lee sanger and kick his face away when he tries to engage or counter jungle him and take all his bubbles.
It's always the fucking mains. When one-trick-ponies get their champions reworked, they are so stuck in their ways that they continue playing them the old way and have the nerve to be upset that they are losing.
But his gameplay only had like 2 changes. I build him the same way and play pretty much the same way and get the same wins. Just with more kills now haha.
I just find it hilarious that i was talking to people about skarner and they were like yeah hes getting gutted, his Q sucks wah wah wah.. and i'm like bro hes wrecking on the pbe. "well im a skarner main so my opinion is right" facepalm
Yeah, then they tacked the stun and speed buff on his E toward the end of the cycle. The complaining was because the INITIAL rework WAS awful.
Lets not even do "I told you so's," they pretty obviously changed the product, mate.
The stun was on E the whole time, the CDR and activation of his passive when using his E to stun or R to suppress were when things got crazy.
People cried about skarner even after he got updated on the PBE.
We didn't all think he was going to be trash. Some like me just hated the concept of what he is supposed to be now. He was either going to be ridiculous in his zones and good everywhere else or good in his zones and bad everywhere else. People tended towards thinking the second option because of past poor Skarner reworks.
Im still having a very difficult time seeing how the passive can ever be balanced so that he feels good on the whole map but isn't broken op.
I'm just gonna miss the stacking q for aa stun, I'd prefer that to the stun on the slow. I just thought it was fun being able to put stuns on ppl behind me and in front of me at the same time after stunning the dude next to me. I don't the he needs a huge nerf at all though.
To be fair, I think it's okay if Skarner is broken OP if he's in his zones and good everywhere else.
Players should be rewarded for using their area-exclusive tools for their advantage, but not be punished when they can't use those areas. Like Azir should be able to create a turret to be really OP for a while, but still be strong when the turret expires. Skarner is roughly the same thing.
I worry that he won't be allowed to be good or decent enough everywhere else as a way to make the zones 'feel more powerful'. If he is going to be decent and the zones are a major bonus to a good champ instead of making up for major weaknesses on a bad one, then I'm much more amenable to the rework. I still don't like the core concept though.
He was, every change that made him strong was last minute
This is the correct answer.
Basically where his E gives the crystal effects right? Yeah they snuck that one in to make deadline.
same people who WHINE about morde and yet I rely on morde every-time now.
It was more so due to the very first notes about Skarner being change. His numbers were pretty bad and in the end they compensated a lot for it and reverted things like the movespeed nerf.
Even after they did that people still thought he was shit.. This guy literally never runs out of mana anymore and can stun any target without too much effort. I aint bitching, I'm just simply stating the facts here.
TL;DR Skarner is fucking strong as hell.
He was already really strong if you ask me, I usually facerolled with him before and I do it more now. If you ask me they made his stun a little less reliable now.
Just one question: How's lane Scarner now?
The people who thought Garen was getting gutted. The people who thought Skarner was getting gutted. The people who thought Mordekaiser was getting gutted. (Could still be a bad rework) The people who thought and still think Darius is gutted.
To be fair while definitely not a gutting, Darius could use a buff as admitted even by Rioters
Not sure I agree. There were Challenger teir players begging riot not to let Darius go live.
no buffs pls, he can be tanky and still spread 5 stacks to other enemies
I lost a game but I had a Darius who went 27-8, something like that. Every time he got a kill, it was followed by at LEAST one other kill.
The whole reason bleed did magic damage in the first place is the potentially broken ass interaction with black cleaver.
Garen's final changes were after a massive community outcry, and as someone who's played Garen a long time before and now, I'm still not sure his weakened late game stickiness is worth yet another nerf to his early game laning.
He's falling short of even Darius' tankiness in fights too, since Darious has on demand 10% healing with a sweet spot a mile wide on a short cooldown. If you're running a comp with more then 1 melee he more or less becomes unkillable on a tanky build while still dealing respectable to terrifying damage ( depending on if he gets an execute ).
It was the addition of the passive on his E that really made him OP, it reduces the restraints Skarner would/should normally face when wanting to get his passive bonuses.
what no way man his aoe stacking passive was better imo, it was more reliable if you build tanky, (who doesn't build tanky though) and could hit spread out people better.
I was talking about when they added a passive onto his E where it reduced the CD of his E and gave him Crystal Charge (the attack speed + movement speed) when using his E or R. They did this while the Skarner rework was on PBE.
Oh i thought you meant his old passive where hitting his q or e on someone gave him 1/3 of a stack to stun someone, not the cdr.
Riot is saying Skarner is broken now. The first time hes strong in years and they said that hes getting a hotfix.
Look at his winrate. Nobody needs to deal with that. I want him to get some shine too but not like this. People hate him right now because of how oppressive he is. I don't know what this hotfix will do, but, sadly, I don't imagine it'll be kind. Riot is known for emergency knee-breaking in situations like these where formally underplayed heroes get a huge spike in pick/ban/winrate.
Can someone explain to me what the new Skarner is all about? People are saying how overpowered he is but I haven't really seen a Skarner do anything Poppy-tier that's insanely broken and needs to be fixed. Only times I've had a Skarner on my team we had to carry him so far.
Since we're talking about hot fixes in here.
