@Meddler: is it intentional that you're making Nidalee the biggest counter to stealth in the game?

Jesus is Savior·Jan 18, 2017·4 votes·1,653 views

-> Traps are being made invisible. -> Traps give TRUE SIGHT when stepped on.

So if Nidalee is picked, you're basically fucked as a stealth champ.

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Jesus is SaviorJan 18, 20172 votes

wew downvotes LOL

No3nvyJan 18, 20172 votes

From what I can see those PBE Nidalee updates may increase Nidalee support potential. But not Jungle. She still has problems with clear, cant duel any meta jungler if not far ahead.

Theoretically new traps may be a better way to protect lanes from enemy jungler if he is spotted by a clever trap. However again it seems more like a support role, not the huntress.

Jesus is SaviorJan 18, 20171 votes

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From what I can see those PBE Nidalee updates may increase Nidalee support potential. But not Jungle. She still has problems with clear, cant duel any meta jungler if not far ahead.

Theoretically new traps may be a better way to protect lanes from enemy jungler if he is spotted by a clever trap. However again it seems more like a support role, not the huntress.

It helps her jungle against stealth champs.

"Oh hey Shaco stepped on the trap I placed a couple minutes ago at level 1, YIKES!" *flashes away from the Shaco who was gonna kill her*

No3nvyJan 18, 20172 votes

Shaco/Evelynn invading is not the problem Nidalee has at the moment.
Traps won't save Nidalee from 2 lvl cheese invades from Ignite shaco/evelynn since right now Nidalee is almost nailed to start Q-E-W.
Making a champion viable by making him semi-counter to two other champions is weird..
Buffing her utility has nothing similar with champion "huntress" concept.
I can always flash away from shaco without any trap tracking him unless I am below 50% HP.

Jesus is SaviorJan 18, 20171 votes

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Making a champion viable by making him semi-counter to two other champions is weird..

This won't be the only buff. Her winrate won't rise enough, and she'll be buffed again. At which point she will be "viable" and also hard counter Eve/Shaco/Renger/Talon/etc

No3nvyJan 18, 20171 votes

How could you know it won't be?

Also those traps are far from being a HARD counter to any invisible champion cas you can hardly block every pass those heroes can use for gank. Also I have no idea why do you mention here Talon that can gank over any wall. Same about shaco actually.

ChRozoJan 18, 20171 votes

You clearly have no idea what your talking about saying that she's nailed to Q E W start 100% false ... her fastest clear is is qwe start ideally want to have a strong leash and save smite for second camp I should know I main her and have over 300 mastery points on her... tho she IS pretty much nailed to start on bot side every game tho, SO it can be predictable where she will start but it's not something a nid can't handle the thing is people just suck as nidalee and don't have the slightest idea how to play her ever since they removed SOA which made her tanky , people need to realize nid is a early pressure champ that needs to snowball to be viable and knowing what to do to snowball her differanciates the good nidas to the bad, you Can't sit there and farm all day like before and get 4 lvl above enemy jg like before , decision making has a lot to do with her and knowing when to gank...She can easily duel most meta jgs if jungled the correct way , the thing is the meta jgs require little to no skill and somewhat brainless when it comes to the rengars vis and kha players

No3nvyJan 23, 20171 votes

You've just described champion description, that is obvious for any clever 20+ games nidalee player. But in a very long way.

Also she can not duel almost any meta jungler. She looses most of them if she aims good spear, and she looses to anybody if she misses it. Also if the oppose jungler has a kit to chase nidalee after her failed invade, pressing Flash to guarantee dodge first spear leads to death or back.

She was good 3-4 lvl duelist with anicancels and lower CDs she used to have. Right now she can successfully invade only if the target has 60% HP or less, which is rare for meta junglers.

VoraciousXJan 18, 20172 votes

Nidalee's getting true sight on her traps? AND they're being made invisible? Where even did that thought process come from? Like...what? Don't they also do damage? Are control wards going to reveal/disable them?

This Is Your DadJan 18, 20172 votes

That's not that bad of an idea considering she doesn't have a niche to fill later on in the game.

Jesus is SaviorJan 18, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Anti Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jGPAGEOH,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-01-18T07:34:38.892+0000)

That's not that bad of an idea considering she doesn't have a niche to fill later on in the game.

No one should have true-sight traps at level 1. Even Teemo needs level 6 for his ridiculous traps.

This Is Your DadJan 18, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jGPAGEOH,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-01-18T07:41:14.556+0000)

No one should have true-sight traps at level 1. Even Teemo needs level 6 for his ridiculous traps.

But if he gets traps at level 1 what's he going to do with it? I mean all they need to do is maybe remove the damage from the trap as collateral to make it fair.

SalronJan 18, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Evelynn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jGPAGEOH,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-01-18T07:12:28.493+0000) So if Nidalee is picked, you're basically fucked as a stealth champ.

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Jesus is SaviorJan 18, 20172 votes

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Using that breaks your stealth.

TormentulaJan 18, 20172 votes

Its not going to make that big of a difference, but it will make her slightly more useful, atleast in her traps.

Saying nidalee counters stealth champions with traps is like saying caitlyn counters stealth champions, which is obviously not true. All these traps will do is basically be jhin's with her passive on them.

Eve, Shaco, who ever, they were all revealed if they walked into a trap anyway as it is now, so "true sight" really won't might that big of a difference for them.

The only thing this change does is make the trap placements a bit more flexible like jhin traps, rather than being in a bush hoping somebody actually does walk into it.

Jesus is SaviorJan 18, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Elise Isnt Meta,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jGPAGEOH,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-01-18T07:50:36.026+0000)

Its not going to make that big of a difference, but it will make her slightly more useful, atleast in her traps.

Saying nidalee counters stealth champions with traps is like saying caitlyn counters stealth champions, which is obviously not true. All these traps will do is basically be jhin's with her passive on them.

Eve, Shaco, who ever, they were all revealed if they walked into a trap anyway as it is now, so "true sight" really won't might that big of a difference for them.

The only thing this change does is make the trap placements a bit more flexible like jhin traps, rather than being in a bush hoping somebody actually does walk into it.

Caitlyn traps can be seen. You can avoid them by not going into brush. In a sense, if you DO step on a trap, she DOES counter you.
Jhin traps DO NOT give true sight. They give regular sight. And they don't even do damage (unless you let it explode on you), so they won't even trigger the "ghosting" effect stealth champs have when they take damage. Literally not the same thing. (The ONLY way you notice a stealth champ from a Jhin trap is by noticing the trap is gone. You can't actually see them at all, and won't be given any indications unless you're looking at the trap.)

datfatguyJan 18, 20172 votes

You do realise that Nidalee is trash right now?

Skia AsteriJan 18, 20172 votes

Her traps already have true sight. The true sight is being moved to her passive so it only takes effect if she is close enough to them, though it might make her spears also give true sight.