Sona has a 58% win rate with a 15% play rate. Sona mains "Shes weak"

Guy Fox Teemo·Jul 18, 2016·6 votes·908 views

But when Zed/Lee Sin have a 46% win rate and a 15% play rate. "FUCK ZED AND LEE ARE OP."

Bias is strong.

22 Comments

LockeTheHunterJul 18, 20165 votes

Don't expect Sona, Janna, Lulu, or Soraka mains to actually know anything about the game.

MarshbouyJul 18, 20163 votes

you are not quite wrong but you are most certainly not being nice about it

MartyrofsandJul 18, 20164 votes

Let's see who is more likely to know more about a team based strategy game.

1--The champions who depend on supporting and enabling their team while securing and relaying critical strategic information so the team can move around safely and secure the objectives that win the game.

2--The champions who focus almost entirely on killing enemy opponents objectives be damned.

The group from 1 are actually playing League of Legends, the group from 2 are instead playing Counterstrike and think they are making some kind of point.

Sorry but the people who tend to know more about how to play this game tend to be the rolls who focus on securing objectives and things of strategic value like vision. They are not the rambo players pulling out their favorite assassins to try and 1v1 people.

As to the OP, there is a big difference between Sona and Zed/Lee. Sona is depend on her team to win games. She is strong and helps enable them but on her own she isn't going to do anything spectacular. Mean while we have seen both Zed and Lee pull off 3v1s on the pro scene and come away alive and with kills. If that doesn't tell you the massive difference between her and the two you mentioned then I'm sorry there is no helping you.

LockeTheHunterJul 18, 20161 votes

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Let's see who is more likely to know more about a team based strategy game.

1--The champions who depend on supporting and enabling their team while securing and relaying critical strategic information so the team can move around safely and secure the objectives that win the game.

2--The champions who focus almost entirely on killing enemy opponents objectives be damned.

The group from 1 are actually playing League of Legends, the group from 2 are instead playing Counterstrike and think they are making some kind of point.

Sorry but the people who tend to know more about how to play this game tend to be the rolls who focus on securing objectives and things of strategic value like vision. They are not the rambo players pulling out their favorite assassins to try and 1v1 people.

As to the OP, there is a big difference between Sona and Zed/Lee. Sona is depend on her team to win games. She is strong and helps enable them but on her own she isn't going to do anything spectacular. Mean while we have seen both Zed and Lee pull off 3v1s on the pro scene and come away alive and with kills. If that doesn't tell you the massive difference between her and the two you mentioned then I'm sorry there is no helping you.

Uh oh guys I think I triggered the support main xd

Guy Fox TeemoJul 18, 20162 votes

Thats a pretty terrible example. You're using a GOD tier Zed/Leeplayer example, which is almost 100% irrelevant since its an outlier. The average Zed/Lee player can't pull that off (And the average player is 90% of the player base).

Also you underestimate what supports can do. Just because they rely on their team to do anything doesn't mean they should be stupidly op. Especially for such an easy to play champion as Sona. Relying on your team is nothing more then them not being completely stupid and even then sona does plenty of burst to handle her own.

MartyrofsandJul 18, 20162 votes

Yes a God Zed/Lee player going against God tier players on other champs. Pros are where skill starts to even out and you get a much better visualization of what champions are actually capable of. When 1 person on a single champion faces 3 opponents of equal skill on their champions and wins it might be time to admit that said champs seriously need to be looked at.

I don't underestimate what supports can do, you are overestimating it. No support in the history of this game has ever been able to put his team on his back like many mids/adcs/tops/junglers can. They can set up all the picks, catches, objectives, and provide all the peels in the world but their team doesn't respond then they become irrelevant. That is the reality of the support position. That is why their kits as a whole can be so game breaking when followed up on. You will see games end because of Thresh/blitz hooks, braum walls, Sona Cresendo's, etc when teams follow up on them, just the same you will see those same abilities mean nothing when their team doesn't. Only super tanks, like Sej for example, has to deal with the issue of playing perfectly and it meaning nothing due to the rest of the team doing nothing.

Guy Fox TeemoJul 18, 20161 votes

No not at all, Pro's skill is often VASTLY more different. Its why Korea wins every single worlds. I've also never seen a 1v3 zed or lee play (mostly because pros don't pick then often and when they do they lose)

ReshiKillimJul 18, 20164 votes

Sona doesn't have an ability that makes her untargetable, dashes, or blinks.

Irelia BotJul 18, 20163 votes

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Sona doesn't have an ability that makes her untargetable, dashes, or blinks.

So you are saying she is low skill and has a 58% win rate?

ReshiKillimJul 18, 20162 votes

I'm saying she's a lot easier to hit and lock down.

CaítlynJul 18, 20161 votes

Having a dash or blink doesnt mean it takes skill

Guy Fox TeemoJul 18, 20162 votes

It doesn't matter what you have if its not helping you win; Thats just bias'd hate or dislike of the champion which is fine. But disliking somethin doesn't warrant nerfs. Only until you reach the almost 60% win rate sona.

zlumpyJul 18, 20164 votes

I don't think she isn't strong. I think her urf like status is unfun to play as. Big difference.

I Go Pew Pew PewJul 18, 20162 votes

Couple things I'd like to point out about your post:

A) Until this patch, Sona's win rate was no where near that high. I would refrain from having knee jerk reactions if I were you.

B) You're missing probably the most important stat: playerbase's average games played. Sure, Sona might have a high win rate, but she is also ranked #2 for support in terms of how many games the average Sona player has. That means A LOT. Especially when you compare it to a champ like Zed, a champ that ranks #19th for his lane.

And no, I'm not a Sona main lol.

MarshbouyJul 18, 20161 votes

It has to do with frustration

Sona x RubickJul 18, 20161 votes

that must explain why i'm breaking my head since 2 days to find a proper nerf to sona

yea [zombie-brand-facepalm]

DreadlocksJul 18, 20161 votes

A lot of sona players/mains that i know are actually agreeing shes really strong rite now.

ReikkenJul 18, 20161 votes

Every Sona player I've talked to says she's really strong now.

Athenes LuluJul 18, 20161 votes

Then until you go on Boards.

Baby GhoulJul 18, 20161 votes

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khorneyJul 18, 20161 votes

zed isnt op i pray zed is picked when i supp as zil i pray for that so much and watch at the end and the enemy team rage at him lol calling him iuselss. happens non stop

RedCycloneJul 18, 20161 votes

I don't think I have seen any of those "Sona mains whining that shes weak" threads since her rework

Maybe the "I had my doubts" ones on the first day, but stop fabricating shit, anyone with a brain can realize that she is over the top right now, stop trying to stir up boards shit