This Taric BS needs to stop

MonkeyMadness··2 votes·979 views

Just had a great ranked game. Very close, we were probably winning by a little bit. We had a blitz on our team, who was quite good at landing hooks, and did so every time I went to gank. And even though the enemy team did have a taric, we managed to hold them down with our combined cc (I was sejuani) and come out of nearly every gank with at least a kill. However, here's how late game went: blitz lands a nice hook on enemy kha'zix (who is hard carrying). Our ekko and I dive in to secure the quick kill before he can jump to safety, or worse, jump on our ezreal. As soon as we do this, all 3 of us are stunned by the taric opaf double stun mech, and soon thereafter, we are in a 5v5 teamfight against a team that has 2.5 seconds of invincibility, and due to the very high damage nature of the enemy team (panth, kha, morg, cait) there was really nothing we could do. Even when our oriana managed to land 4 or 5 man ults, taric singlehandedly negated our damage with his aoe heals and aoe invicibitiy, then turned the fight on us with his aoe stuns. And I know I'm not the first person to complain about this, but there is literally no counterplay to 2.5 seconds of 5-man invicibilty. None.

25 Comments

Quepha4 votes

I'd rather commend that Taric for a wonderful play that turned the game around. That's cool stuff.

Beldair4 votes

Right...

Taric saw an opportunity and took it as a support.

He essentially did what a Support is supposed to.

japan hate acc2 votes

Riot should make it so you can't fight during the invulnerability. Because that way, Taric would be able to save allies from death, but not empower them to be unkillable death machines.

Beldair1 votes

That is the same sorry response to Kayle's ult as well.

Taric can be counterplayed if you know how to.

Besides, they were out damaged in the pick. Yes they were winning early game, but they allowed Taric to get the drop on them and turn the fight around.

So essentially, Taric did his job.

japan hate acc1 votes

I guess, but Kayle's ult is different. Her ult is on one target. There's nothing the matter with that.

Beldair2 votes

And yet i still see the Nerf Kayle Ult threads.

Taric, You have to seperate him from the team (a good Poppy ult solves that) to keep him from making the entire team invulnerable.

Or using cc will stop them.

Stuns, Snares, Roots, and Slows still affect them.

japan hate acc1 votes

Well the nerf Kayle threads are stupid.

I did not know cc stopped them, I will have to keep that in mind next time. Thank you.

Beldair1 votes

No problem.

Taric's Ult was basically an AOE version of Kayle's ult.

So cc still applies.

Riot would never (i think) do an invulnerability aoe where cc won't work on them.

VictoriousBard1 votes

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Riot would never (i think) do an invulnerability aoe where cc won't work on them.

You clearly weren't around when Kayle's ult did just that.

Beldair1 votes

I started playing last year...sooo nope XD

Guess that's why they changed her ult XD.

VictoriousBard1 votes

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I started playing last year...sooo nope XD

Guess that's why they changed her ult XD.

Ah, season one. Those sure were the days.

Quepha1 votes

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Riot should make it so you can't fight during the invulnerability. Because that way, Taric would be able to save allies from death, but not empower them to be unkillable death machines.

Taric's ult is pretty much only useful offensively as it currently stands. It's pretty rare for a 2.5 second cast time to be fast enough to save anyone at all.

japan hate acc1 votes

I guess, but something should be done about it in some sense. Maybe raise the cooldown then?

Beldair1 votes

That i could possibly agree with.

Stars Shaper1 votes

That would make it just a "delay unavoidable death" skill even worse than Aatrox passive.

Friendly Ram2 votes

I just wish his ult didnt block aa.

Beldair1 votes

That i could possibly agree with.

The Deckowner1 votes

I think Taric nerf is coming next patch, but I'm not entirely sure.

wishbone251 votes

im a taric carry fun tho

Stars Shaper1 votes

You know what's fun as Taric? Having an Olaf in your team xD

wishbone251 votes

IKR XD stun and slow and olaf AD carries XD

Stars Shaper1 votes

More like Ultimates combo = no damage + no cc

Stars Shaper1 votes

To be honest, it was poor decision making in Teamfights that had you lose that match.

You know how Taric works, you know about the double (delayed) stun, you know about the invulnerability and you waste your whole control/initiation skills before he had used any of this. In that situation you have to force him to use his big skills before yours by poke or try to get them split and having number advantage enough to get 2-3 kills before he does all of that (also don't stack on his stun line).

Also you should know that taric invulnerability doesn't save them from CCs.

Veraska1 votes

You're supposed to walk away when he ults, it's got a big lengthy telegraph it shouldn't be hard, you can reengage when the durations up, it's not like kindred or kayle ult where you know it's going to be a problem in the fight, you can play around

MonkeyMadness1 votes

Kayle has a single target invincibility spell that has received numerous tweaks over the years in order to limit it's ease of use, massive number of potential applications, and to in general, remove its ability to be a catch-all "oh shit, save me" spell. Taric however literally just presses R when the fighting starts. There's virtually no strategy here. It has limitless defensive uses, and just as many offensive uses, and coupled with his aoe heal, he really has no counterplay. If all you can say to me is "well just avoid the stun and back off when he ults", clearly you are not playing at a very high level. A good player (hell, even just a decent player) won't give you the option to just "dodge". They will set up the ability so that either you can't avoid it, or so that if you do, you risk being caught out of position. There's no "poor decision making" going on here. The fights went as well as I've seen in a gold-level match (not saying that gold players are pro, but the vast majority of them know what they're doing).

Another thing to be said about Kayle's ult, IT ONLY MAKES 1 PERSON INVINCIBLE. This has counterplay written all over it. For example, you can either lock down the invincible enemy until the buff wears off, then kill. You can change targets to avoid wasting dps on the invincible enemy. Hell, you can even burst down kayle before she can use the ability (and given that she tends to build very glass cannon, this is quite practical). Taric's ult however has virtually none of these weaknesses. You simply CANNOT burst down all 5 members of an enemy team in 2.5 seconds. It just isn't going to happen, especially when taric is healing them all. Its possible to burst down taric before he can ult, but that requires focusing a very tanky champion while the rest of the enemy team is able to put dps on more valuable targets. And then of course, if he manages to survive the initial burst (which is likely given his innate tankiness and preferred items), he's going to ult, stun everyone, and then you're as good as aced. And I understand that separating him for the team (ie poppy ult) is a great counter to his playstyle, but this means that the team facing taric is required to pick into very specific champions for the sole purpose of countering him. Riot has said numerous times that this is inherently unhealthy for the game, and when it does happen, they either nerf the offending mechanic, or rework it all together.

To the guy who said that that we had a higher damage team comp. My team: Sej, Blitz, Ekko top (3 tanks) vs Panth, Morg, Kha'zix, Cait, Taric. Perhaps you've never played against pantheon, kha'zix, caitlyn, or morgana, but they would be what most players would classify as high damage. So, even without a tanky initiator (like sej, ekko, and even blitz they STILL had better initiation than us because of taric. They also had better counter engage than us because of taric. They also had better backline protection than us because of taric. They also had more sustain and damage mitigation than us because of taric. If you aren't seeing the pattern here, I honestly don't know how to help you. Taric is good at literally everything. He synergizes PERFECTLY with engage comps, aoe comps, protect-the-backline comps, and so much more. His only "weakness" is his disengage, but even then, it's only weak when you compare it to champs like janna, who SPECIALIZE in disruption. This game was NOT an example of a great player having a great game. This is a perfect example of a champion whose broken mechanics singlehandedly decide the outcome. Not to insult the taric player, obviously he did know what he was doing, but the benefit gained for effort used with this champion is simply too high to be balanced in its current state.

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