Quinn still needs to be toned down.

Gosh Darn··5 votes·678 views

She's had one of, if not the #1 highest winrate top for several months now, and she even performs well as jg, mid, and adc. When a champion can thrive in any lane it should be an indicator that they don't have enough counterplay or weaknesses.

It would be okay if she was a "win lane, lose game" champion like Teemo, Yorick, Gnar, etc, but she's not. She wins nearly every top lane matchup and has one of the highest winrates in the entire game.

Her HP is uncharacteristically high for an ADC and she has the highest MS of any adc at 335. I think if she is going to stay in top lane as her primary lane, she needs her range reduced to 500 from 525, and possibly decrease her HP or MS slightly.

To have the strongest roams in the game, she should have to sacrifice something for it. Instead, her pre-6 is extremely strong and once she hits 6 she can use the advantage she almost certainly achieved in lane to snowball even further in other lanes.

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CR4ZYRONDH4VI3 votes

NO, she's one of the only ways to beat darius and voli top.

PIuie Battante1 votes

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NO, she's one of the only ways to beat darius and voli top.

Pretty sure Garen/Swain/Shen/Illaoi can lane against him lol...

CR4ZYRONDH4VI1 votes

Garen cannot. Shen cannot. Maybe ilea and swain can though.

PIuie Battante1 votes

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Garen cannot. Shen cannot. Maybe ilea and swain can though.

I've beaten the match ups as Garen. And with Shen you're super safe so they can't do anything, in which is still a win situation for you. Cause you're going to be teleporting to low teammates anyways after 6.

CR4ZYRONDH4VI1 votes

Yeah but shen is easily killed by darius since he has no sustain. And darius can zone him out too.

SaltyKracka3 votes

Quinn still needs actual mana costs.

71883083DEL12 votes

???

Explain what about her kit needs a nerf.

Gosh Darn2 votes

I did in the op... She's too powerful at laning to have such strong roaming.

71883083DEL12 votes

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I did in the op... She's too powerful at laning to have such strong roaming.

No, explain exactly what about her kit shows that she is OP.

She can be powerful at roaming, but what about her 'roam' is so powerful? The fact that she can go from top to mid in a few seconds? The fact that she can kill quickly after she is mid?

These are the types of questions you can ask when challenging a 'kit'. give helpful posts and you will be rewarded.

nananananacat1 votes

I think the biggest problem is that her E damages the enemy, knocks them back a pretty big range, and then they're slowed after. The slow I think is what really kills it. It makes it really good as an engage and disengage tool at the same time. Pretty sure it also refreshes Harrier which is pretty BS...

Boulderox2 votes

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I think the biggest problem is that her E damages the enemy, knocks them back a pretty big range, and then they're slowed after. The slow I think is what really kills it. It makes it really good as an engage and disengage tool at the same time. Pretty sure it also refreshes Harrier which is pretty BS...

they caitlyn treated it, where her passive is the balancing feature of the gameplay, cait can headshot you 20 times, and quinn needs her harrier to kill. You also have to remember that quinn has to GET IN THERE FACE with her E to do damage, slow, knockback and proc harrier... And also saying she is a problem top... Vayne top is right up there if not worse now, just not as popular. That being said, she falls into a niche requardless of what she does, she can't adc well comparatively, jungle is ok but niche still, top is the only reliable power she can have over an enemy. People need to remember she is squishy... and She can't really hold off on two enemies very well. in a 1v1 she is powerful, don't let her have that.

zlumpy1 votes

I dunno she seems to fall of a lot in endgame team fights from what I see. Then again I'm not playing any high elo ranked (or low elo either) so maybe this is a ranked players know a character too well scenario.

Gosh Darn2 votes

I can't provide an accurate link because champion gg still hasn't updated for this patch, but for perspective, with patch 6.10's data, she has >50% winrate regardless of game length. That's another big indicator that a lane bully is performing too well. She should be bullying but she shouldn't be performing just as well as Nasus/Veigar/Sion etc at 40+ minutes.

zlumpy1 votes

I geuss she just gets her team ahead enough that her late game isn't as big of a deal. I'm fine with a strong pressence somewhere as long as it has a downside somewhere else. I kinda feel like old quinn had that more with the range/melee balance. Then again when all she does is fly in outa no where and 2 shot the enemy teams mage before they can zhonya it probably doesnt matter if that action results in her death in the long run either.

Just thought of something. Wouldn't poppy's no dash zone be a good counter measure for top lane vs quinn? You could see some nasty cancled flips turn into poppy flash wall smashes.

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