Caitlyn placing a trap DIRECTLY BENEATH YOU makes 0 sense for both balancing and thematic reasons.

Gosh Darn··115 votes·5,973 views

How is she supposed to put a trap under a champion? Does she grab a shovel and remove the earth from beneath them? Or throw them into the air to put a trap under you? This also doesn't make sense for gameplay. Her traps are meant to be a zoning tool. Chaining it with other forms of CC gives her a crazy amount of hard CC that really doesn't fit in with her power budget.

If Caitlyn places a trap directly below a champion, they should have a brief period of immunity starting after the initial delay where traps don't work for 1.1 seconds. Additionally, her traps should not be able to stick around for 90 seconds under enemy turrets, she really shouldn't even be able to place them under an enemy turret at all. Make these changes and there goes 90% of the toxicity. She'd be healthy and balanced and still have a good winrate, but now she wouldn't be oppressing the fuck out of enemies, trapping them under their own turret which is meant to be safe, and she wouldn't be using her trap as a ranged root that only targets champions.

A lot of people are missing the point. Caitlyn's traps are meant to be traps, zoning tools, not a ranged root. The arming phase is meant to be fair counterplay, and it is, except when the chain CC happens and her trap just becomes a ranged root. It not making sense was really just a secondary observation. The issue is using it as a projectile root and taking over the enemy turret with 5 traps.

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55976771DEL212 votes

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Supreme Senpai694 votes

That last one gets you an upvote. Regardless of intent or point being made, that last one made me smile

55976771DEL22 votes

Heh ;D

Arya Riven3 votes

Brand is an organized entity with consciousness. Any complex system can be damaged by energy, even if it is the same type of energy that it is made of. This perpetual "x fire person shouldn't be burned." meme is actually untrue.

Into The Aether11 votes

Well... putting a trap where the thing you want to trap is seems like a fine idea. I know I'd trap things that way if I could. And felt so inclined to trap something.

The traps under the turret thing though, that's pretty much her working as intended. She's billed as the siege oriented marksman. Making your turret harder to defend's a pretty natural aspect of sieging it. They're not really for making a sniper's nest or whatever the old fantasy was supposed to be.

She's supposed to attack and defend turrets better than most.

If anything, I've more hated her lane bully identity.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo9 votes

so cait is close enough to play a trap under you and you dont punish her for being that close ?

hmm something wrong here

Gosh Darn14 votes

Her trap is 800 range... I'm not complaining about her traps, they're fine as traps. I have an issue with them being used as a ranged root when chained with other CC.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

item 3140 summoner 1

cant be chained cc

Crett18 votes

thats not going to fly in bottom lane.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

right cuz its not like bot lane has multiple cc now

or mal isnt in bot lane so getting a item 3140 would be stupid

dont forget ashe or varus ults

cass ult

etc

summoner 1 wouldnt work either

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Ults =/= basic abilities. The CD of cleanse is much too high to use against a basic ability. Using it against a Malzahar is reasonable though

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

yet you see pros take it vs CASS and you see them rush a QSS vs hard cc like cass ult, ashe arrow and so on ...

but you are all right im the dumb one

Supreme Senpai693 votes

Cass ult, Ashe ult... ULT. Caitlyn traps are not an ult. It would be absolutely silly to take cleanse for them because she can just do it again in like 5 seconds. Using it for an ult is fine because the CD is high

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

my response to the cleanse and QSS was for CHAIN CC ... never said cait... if you are facing a team can chain cc together ( go back and look at the comments wheere someone brought it up/ i think the OP )

but if you are in a lane with a hard cc like a morg Q or malz ult with a cait ... or mal ashe , malz varus etc which is being played in bot lane now... having both would be a good idea

and if using the cds saves you from dying and you can turn a fight in your favor then the high cds were worth now arent they ?

sorry my mind is a bit more abstract to thinking. it wasnt a direct response to caits TRAPS snaring you for .5 seconds

it was the statement regarding chained cc

Supreme Senpai691 votes

Ah ok. I still disagree but that's like.. a totally fair opinion to have lol. Thought I was going crazy

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

and thats fine... dont mean im invalid or that your invalid...

but too much of these boards n comments is a pissing contest and someone wants to try to trump someone else like they have something to prove instead of creating dialog and discussions and thinking outside the box and using the abstract.

but then again rank brings that mentality as well everything in rank is a pissing contest. people try to use rank as a way to a validate themselves or to discredit someone as well.

wanna help stop toxicity in game and in the community? stop trying to make everything a pissing contest

BeatzBoyFTW12 votes

Who the hell brings Cleanse bot or even rushes QSS as his first item...

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

right cuz no ADC ever gets a item 3140 and they get it less now cuz of mal support

it works vs ashe arrow too, varus ult

and if you are vs more then one hard cc like ashe mal

or ashe cass ( mid ) summoner 1 is ideal

but its ok you know better right ?

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

"as his first item".

If it were his 2nd to 4th item, then it would be understandable. Otherwise, the ADC has to make a legit sacrifice for his early AD build for an early QSS.

I rarely see any ADC bringing Cleanse instead of Heal in most Ranked games during the current Malzahar Support meta (especially when Cleanse doesn't work on Malzahar's ult)

Report for Wuju5 votes

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Who the hell brings Cleanse bot or even rushes QSS as his first item...

fix'd

mikemcparty1 votes

The problem is cait landing these chain cc traps on the other adc and two shotting them.... Not the tanky as shit nautilus.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

who brought up a tank?

oh you did

what is caits win % right now ?

48.82% on https://na.op.gg/champion/caitlyn/statistics/adc

mikemcparty1 votes

Cleanse as a summoner? Might as well surrender the bot lane tower. First-buy qss to deal with cait traps? Good luck fighting back, csing, or applying any pressure to her and her support.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

it was a reference to the OP crying bout being chained in CC ... I provided a way you wont be chained in CC

never said to get it vs cait...

and never said rush QSS

but plz go find where I did say that to prove me wrong ... ill wait

mikemcparty1 votes

The whole discussion is about cait, so why are you making suggestions that aren't relevant to her, nor the discussion about her. The OP was about using cait traps to chain cc and empower her autos. Clearly, you missed the part that we were discussing caitlyn.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

Chaining it with other forms of CC gives her a crazy amount of hard CC that

is what is in the OP topic...

so in order for chained cc to happen there has to be more then one form of cc... in order to counter chained cc things like cleanse and QSS can be used.

cait cant chain cc by her self... so he brings up other forms of cc in that statement therefore if the OP topic includes that in his argument and counter arguing ways to negate chained cc is relevant to the topic at hand

mikemcparty1 votes

Right, and the two solutions you presented are not solutions in the bot lane role. So, move on to the next presented option.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

ITS A WAY TO KEEP BEING CC CHAINED REGARDLESS OF THE LANE

so pull the lane argument out of your ........

cuz it dont matter the lane

mikemcparty1 votes

You can't present solutions that are viable to the problem at hand. The problem is with caitlyn using her traps to chain cc. Unless you have cait top lane or mid, then the problem is bot lane.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

right cuz cait never ever leaves BOT LANE at all with in the game what so fukin ever?

and its about CHAIN CC

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

its ok you keep assuming i referred to the entire post ...

people need to stop bitching about cait and the traps ...

its not changing

learn to work around them

oh cait isnt broken... people just like to bitch

if she was broken then she would have a much higher win rate

ItsOrval1 votes

Cait out pokes, traps dont take 3 seconds to place.

I still dont get why you message on the boards, every comment I see of yours gets dislikes on it 24/7. Also you play 0 ranked games and you are bad at normals, are you actually trying to give advice?

hmmm something is wrong here.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

and on this account right here...

when i did play rank on it... i have a win % in rank of 60%

currently since the reset in preseason til now... i have a 58% win rate. currently won 15 out of last 20... for a 75% win rate for there for about a week it was 80-85% win rate i lost two games to kinda bring it down

and have multiple champs with over 60% win rate

man im so bad ...

im gonna go uninstall and kill myself now

oh i forgot you can only know something if you are diamond or higher right? or if you are a mechanical god on the game?

i dont play rank any more cuz i dont care to... i have fun just playing normals cuz i dont take this game as life and death as most of you do.

i have nothing to prove playing rank...

ItsOrval1 votes

Why did you delete your comment bragging about having 1400 mmr, is that supposed to be something to brag about? Because that about Silver 2 mmr.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

so you ignore the fact that I said I had a gold account too?

ok yea gold season 5 mid player

and I have the other account at 1450 or so mmr. and this account right here which I explained I was silver in... in season 5 and won 60% of my rank games. I played mainly on my gold account in season 5 for rank... I did placements and a few other games on this account to see how I would replace and got silver .

Dynikus7 votes

If Caitlyn places a trap directly below a champion, they should have a brief period of immunity starting after the initial delay where traps don't work for 1.1 seconds

alternatively, just pay attention?

Variks the Loyal29 votes

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alternatively, just pay attention?

No amount of attention helps when you get stunned, then the trap goes below you and you lose 75% of your hp.

Dynikus32 votes

chain CC isn't unique to caitlyn, and nerfing traps because they're capable of chain CCing is stupid. Do you want viktor's W nerfed too because he can place it on champions and chain CC them? How about jinx? Or literally any delayed form of cc?

Variks the Loyal5 votes

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chain CC isn't unique to caitlyn, and nerfing traps because they're capable of chain CCing is stupid. Do you want viktor's W nerfed too because he can place it on champions and chain CC them? How about jinx? Or literally any delayed form of cc?

Those things are delayed, though. The traps aren't delayed, and don't have a significant delay attached to them.

I just think they need a fair, 1.5 second arming time.

Also, I was talking about in laning phase. I don't know if you know this, but Caitlyn's damage is kinda overtuned in the early game.

Gosh Darn13 votes

It's unique to Caitlyn because she's not using them as zoning tool traps, she's using them as a ranged root, completely bypassing the arming time which is meant to be the period of counterplay where you reroute and walk around them or through them if they're still arming.

Dynikus12 votes

she's using them as a ranged root, completely bypassing the arming time which is meant to be the period of counterplay where you reroute and walk around them or through them if they're still arming.

That's not unique to caitlyn at all. How is that any different from throwing viktor's W or jinx's E or Karma's W or every other form of delayed CC on an already stunned target?

NineTailedMystic6 votes

Because they get 1, not up to 5.

Spârky7 votes

but its not like you can use 5 of them all at once. Jinx e vs cait traps you can chain cc your supports cc into jinx e or cait traps. Its not like you can make them walk into 5 of your caitlynn traps.

NineTailedMystic5 votes

No but once Viktor or Jinx use their CC someone else can dick on them. Meanwhile Cait can have 4 other traps somewhere else and still have 1 banked to chain CC with.

LSmaster1612 votes

Viktor w and jinx e last for a couple seconds. Caitlyn w does this for 90 seconds. Also, Caitlyn's trap gives her a headshot proc for more damage, Jinx trap does a lot less damage and doesn't really let you do more damage then you would by just auto attacking with the possible exception of lethality jinx. Viktor w does let him get off another tick of his ult potentially but aside from that his burst combo (r-e-q-auto I think) can be done in less time than the w takes to stun someone.

ModAcademy Kayn5 votes

But in the case of Chain Cc'ing, which is the case here, the duration doesn't really matter, since you're just putting it right under them?

Jefftiffy4 votes

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chain CC isn't unique to caitlyn, and nerfing traps because they're capable of chain CCing is stupid. Do you want viktor's W nerfed too because he can place it on champions and chain CC them? How about jinx? Or literally any delayed form of cc?

The point with Cait is that it increases her range and adds at least an extra 100 damage to the AA without factoring in her AD or if she double crits thanks to passive + crit chance.

Clementine5 votes

I can't tell if you're joking or not. Jinx's E doesn't give her next auto 2500 range and 500 additional damage

Squey1 votes

Other champions have delayed cc yes but they get 1 on a long cooldown. I was just in a game as darius, 7-0-6, super fed and unkillable. Then i was lux binded, cait traped, cc'd from top, cait traped, cc'd by support, cait traped and finally after about 7-8 seconds of being cc'd in place i was released with 10% hp left and died shortly after. I dont mind cc chaining as it is required sometimes but the fact caits trap can extend cc chain up to 5x longer from 1 ability is really dumb. If my team wasnt with me then lux binding would of been off cd and used again on me and the cc chain would of lasted another few seconds.

Dynikus1 votes

If they were able to keep you locked down for that long, that's amazing teamwork. I'm gonna guess you didn't get qss even though they had that much cc?

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