Balance team is buffing TOO MUCH

D357R0Y3R··108 votes·21,860 views

I can't even understand what's happening at Riot's HQ

back in the old days, Morello used to buff 3 champions and nerf 10 of them every patch this was already discussed years ago in this old thread http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4320431&page=1

to which CertainlyT answered by (basically) "we nerf as much as we buff" https://i.gyazo.com/c0def0947103c7da05caac89cd8a0fa1.png

but HERE IS THE PROBLEM, when you look at today's patch you get this : https://i.gyazo.com/b1b7a28552e61120395aedca3b37e91a.png

can you look at this, and say "we're buffing as much as nerfing?"

you get x3 more champions buffed than before, and way more than champion's nerf

why is Blitzcrank getting a range buff on his hook, when Pyke is a better blitzcrank?

the thing is that when you look at every patch, you read complete non sense you try to understand if Riot understands the concept of "balanced around".

Blitzcrank was balanced around 1050 range hook for 9 years straight, it never changed why is it being changed now just because pyke has been released? STOP POWERCREEPING YOUR GAME

Fiora Q can hit towers now? This is the perfect example of riot not knowing that they're powercreeping their game over and over again, you're changing mechanics and numbers that remained untouched for so long, because your new champions Pyke Yuumi Sylas are being released with absurd mechanics.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

64 Comments

Lauchmelder34 votes

Fucking hell, never thought I'd agree with you of all people..

mark60287 votes

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Fucking hell, never thought I'd agree with you of all people..

His look on the game is mostly on point tbh especially compared to the rest of the boards.

TehNACHO5 votes

Broken clocks are right twice a day.

mark602812 votes

First of all: fully agree. Nothing else to say.

Second: Riot just really and i mean REALLY needs fresh air in the balance team department. So far they just kept shoving around the same people expecting different results. Ghostcrawler with meddler under him then meddler up and repertoir after then repertoir up and the other guy. Now this yetter dude or w/e his name. Really just get external people with fresh minds fresh ideas with a different outlook on the game what is happening right now is atrocious.

Hot LeBlanc Yuri9 votes

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King Braum3 votes

He's actually not on the League team anymore, he was moved to TFT but has since moved again and is now in Riot's R&D Team

D357R0Y3R8 votes

His view on the game back in 2014 wasn't necessary wrong, he just thought that back then Riot buffed as much as they nerfed I don't remember if he was right or wrong, but this thread is talking about 2019 where it's completely obvious that they buff too much

Malix Farwin12 votes

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CertainlyT needed to be fired years ago, this guy does nothing but fail. His view on the game is just fucking wrong, its as if he's designing a singleplayer rpg.

His views on the game is the Dev team views, not his individually. If you are wondering why the design team rarely talk to the community it is because when one does they get a response like this. CT hasnt made a champion in a while and CT champions arent the ones terrorizing the meta right now.

Think about every single change, everything single buff/nerf that has made 0 sense for the past few months. 0 of it had to do with CT because he wasnt on the Balance team. He's just a face people like to direct their hate towards.

lumanachi1 votes

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someone shouldn't be fire for making a mistake like this but is true they should reconsider these type of changes.

Leetri3 votes

He hasn't worked on regular League for a while my dude. At least several months.

Smyrage9 votes

That Fiora buff is hilarious tho.

Mortismo8 votes

why is Blitzcrank getting a range buff on his hook, when Pyke is a better blitzcrank?

You just explained it yourself lol

D357R0Y3R63 votes

that's not an explination

Pyke needs to be nerfed, and HARD NERFED

blitz doesn't need to be buffed

Mortismo3 votes

both things need to happen, blitz only is good because people are bad. go in super high elo and blitz's relevance is gone

OtterlyLost7 votes

Which is fine. According to their new balance philosophy, they want every champion to be playable in at least one division or area of play. If Blitzcrank is good in lower elo, then that is their philosophy fulfilled. He really really does not need a buff and especially not one that's going to exacerbate the problems low elo(where over 90% of the player base is) have with him.

Ragnaveil9 votes

Pyke just needs a punish game, thats it. The fact his passive is active under the effects of ignite is dumb (as a person who played top Pyke mainly for fun until they removed it from the game). His ult is also dumb just for the gold alone. The execute is fine when the kit is balanced out, but the problem is that his ult gold scales with bounty, so you can easily net 300+ gold on every ult. I had a suggestion that the gold should scale with rank (100 rank 1, 200 rank 2, 300 rank 3), but I also had another idea just now: Why not have the kill gold get split 50/50? Removes the need of having two Your Cuts needed for assists on Pyke, but also lowers the snowball potential of the Pyke lane by having the gold get split even.

Daddy Ants13 votes

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that's not an explination

Pyke needs to be nerfed, and HARD NERFED

blitz doesn't need to be buffed

That Blitz buff is gonna make him become hotfix nerfable.

It's gonna catch so many people off guard and blitz is gonna snowball games like mad.

611FVNKBlv1 votes

But blitz rangebuff might be fun in lower elo . Lets hook from tower 2 tower :3

JesuslsBlack1 votes

Pyke needs to be nerfed, and HARD NERFED

What left to nerf? Q is now single target, E doesnt damage minions. whats next R cant execute? Pykes a champion you play around and takes some lobby coordination and good laning. fail at that and too bad, thats for every champ. This is just another example of Riot falling behind their own words and limiting a champion to one position ONLY. There's rarely any versatility in this game when it comes to roles.

And i know "what about sona tahm or garen yuumi? only pros do that (or koreans) and yuumi cause yuumi.

Original Sin2 votes

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Mortismo3 votes

if i do will i become ranked anxious and play bot games?

Original Sin2 votes

nice assumption. goes to show that even if you use your brain you still cant think of anything intelligent to say.

imagine checking other peoples match history just because you got offended. Salty af

my bad for asking you to use your brain, must have been difficult trying to find only one possible explanation. word of advice, dont think too hard or you might have an aneurysm

HungryAngry2SPP2 votes

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imagine checking other peoples match history just because you got offended. Salty af

It's not being salty. It's being a pathetic sub-human being that has indeed to much time.

ModAcademy Kayn8 votes

You're forgetting that this is the time of year where Riot decides to try to buff more champions to add in more variety for the coming Worlds patches.

D357R0Y3R7 votes

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take this for instance, this wasn't world's patch and you still had more buffs than nerfs

compare this to the old times when you had x2 more nerfs than buffs

Ragnaveil3 votes

In return sending Aatrox into the gutter for the second time this year, because who would have known that putting all of his damage on one ability was a good idea. Maybe they should have done the right thing and gave him a W that relates to auto attacking instead of a petty set up tool that only works on immobile champs. W should become a 2 or 3 part auto attack ability.

GelsominoKiller7 votes

Also, if we dare going into the details of the changes, they're buffing once again Vayne's ultimate AD steroid.

This means that they refuse to learn from the very mistakes they acknowledged.

When the AD steroid of Vayne gets buffed, she becomes an assassin carry 3 hitting everything. That's not the first time the AD steroid gets buffed, every time with the same result: Vayne stacks on-hit burst and crit, and her counterplay disappears.

You might argue that any counterplay Vayne had was gone with the insane "50% crd on Q during ult " buff for her Chinese-appealing pReSTiGe skin, and that would be an argument as fair as sad.

Sucction5 votes

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Also, if we dare going into the details of the changes, they're buffing once again Vayne's ultimate AD steroid.

This means that they refuse to learn from the very mistakes they acknowledged.

When the AD steroid of Vayne gets buffed, she becomes an assassin carry 3 hitting everything. That's not the first time the AD steroid gets buffed, every time with the same result: Vayne stacks on-hit burst and crit, and her counterplay disappears.

You might argue that any counterplay Vayne had was gone with the insane "50% crd on Q during ult " buff for her Chinese-appealing pReSTiGe skin, and that would be an argument as fair as sad.

Yeah, until I read the bottom of your comment I was about to mention that.

Her counterplay, which was already very limited , was removed entirely when they gave her near permanent stealth during ult.

Spooky Skeleton7 votes

Balancing is easy brother. Every ability now hits turrets. Stealth on specific champions is gone due to player frustration, ALL champions now gain true stealth for 15 seconds at random points in the game (about 5 procs per minute on average, the math checks out dont worry)

Dashes and skillshots are global, Point and clicks are about the range of a Pantheon ult. To compensate for every single ability working on turrets, turrets now have 50 layers of plating. (Dont worry, to balance it out each plate is only worth 140 gold instead of 150)

The CDR cap is increased to 80%, because everyone loved urf so much. Items with CDR have their cdr values doubled.

Choosing runes is hard, we know. So now you get every single runes all at once, think of the wacky, zany possibilities!

Removed several underplayed champions because T̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶t̶ ̶s̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶s̶k̶i̶n̶s̶ Are unpopular. (think Ornn Yorick etc, their fanbase can now move on to popular weeb champs like lux and kai'sa and join the fold.)

Ragnaveil6 votes

I've said this many times, and idk how many more times I need to say it: They need people who play the game that isn't of Riot Origin to be on the balance team.

Top and Jg time and time again get shafted in the butt because the views haven't changed. Before this buff list came out, the Kai Sa nerf kinda confirmed things for me, when paired with the Aatrox nerf: They geniunely dont give a damn about Top and Jg, but give many fucks about ADC, but still refuse to nerf a hyperscaler the right way.

Aatrox proved to be a threat for top to deal with ADCs, and now they've removed it, leaving Morde (subpar) and Panth to struggle as a replacement. Put Dom on the balance team, or Loco, or even Hash. Just someone who plays the game for the love of god.

MrShmeeeee1 votes

How the fuck does someone get 5 upvotes for suggesting Hashinshin be on the balance team. These boards really are delusional.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Because I said anyone who plays the game should be on the team. I didn't say, "Just add Hash to fix the game". Trust me, I know he has issues of his own that wouldn't fit well.

Sucction5 votes

If you look at kits in the past and compare them to now, you can really see.

Gangplank in the past was viable, if a little bad, and was the same champion, with a bit of AD from an ability, and without the barrels. Ya know, his main source of fucking damage?

Veigar had a single target Q with like half the range, no W cdr, no stacking besides on Q unit kills, no execute on ult, and he was balanced, and even considered quite strong at one point before his rework.

I think the easiest way to see it is in fiddlesticks.

His W used to be a complete fight winner. You would outheal other junglers entirely unless they stunned you immediately.

Now you just stand there T-posing for 1.5 seconds before your fear ends and Xin Zhao kills you in 3 autos.

MkLBR2 votes

God, I miss fiddlesticks... [zombie-nunu-bummed]

ITZ ICY3 votes

Give the game 10 years. In 10 years, the only way for a champion to qualify to be part of the meta is going to have a toxic and/or unreasonable mechanic. There's one more adjective I forgot, but it doesn't matter. At one point, when we get like 30-40 champions with ridiculous abilities like Mordekaiser R, every reasonable champion is going to be out of meta forever, at least until a rework.

Deceased Kebab3 votes

Its very clear that, the boys at Riot, dosent want to see tahm kench in pr0 play, and that they want to see more orianna.. At least thats how i read the "notes" At least they didnt buff ryze...oh boy am i tired of seeing that champ in pr0 play...GEEEEEEEEEEESUS

GonahtanuGepardi1 votes

Well to be fair, orianna has struggled to be viable for years now and it's about time we see her being played again too. I still don't actually think this is enough of a buff to make that happen. She doesn't fit the meta unless it changes by worlds.

Deceased Kebab2 votes

What about the other 130 champs we never see in pr0 play ? don't they deserve some love as well ? I do think the nerf to tahm is a bit meh, he didnt deserve that. Tahm has a great ult that can create fun and interesting plays in pr0 matches, i for one will miss that.

Mihalikb1 votes

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Well to be fair, orianna has struggled to be viable for years now and it's about time we see her being played again too. I still don't actually think this is enough of a buff to make that happen. She doesn't fit the meta unless it changes by worlds.

The problem with Orianna is the same as the one with Ryze, just worse. Her kit is always borderline perfect for progames, but she sucks in solo Queue (99% of players are not Faker and will never be Faker). If you bring her base stats high enough for her to do well in solo then she instantly becomes 100% pick/ban midlane in every progame in any team comp.

eGoat3 votes

Greedy bastards buffing Riven just for a new skin coming out...

Worst Ezreal NA3 votes

Old balance was great. Super strong and super weak champs were considered outliers. By this logic, S tier and S+ tier weren't allowed to exist for very long. Everything got nerfed in consideration with how much it was outperforming its supposed counters, and then nerfed again maybe, based on how it was outperforming champions with similar jobs. Everything got nerfed down to A or B tier, C tiers were actually still pretty decent picks if you were good with them or had a situation against their comp that made them good, and D tiers tended to get overlooked in this system, but that's fair since most of them were balance nightmares by kit design alone. Even champions in healthy spots were nerfed if they were only in the healthy spot because the numbers let them bully a counter.

Now D Tiers are actually just champions that don't sell skins, some of which just happen to be balance nightmares. Balance nightmares via kit design are allowed to be S or S+, provided they sell skins. A and B tier champions sit there until they sell more skins, where they're buffed to S tier, or rarely nerfed a tier due to public outcry. It's fucking pathetic. There's no way Riot doesn't see how much better the old balancing system was for the game. They just don't care.

KalokasIsMyDaddy2 votes

Yeah, this Worlds is probably going to be really awful with these changes. Can't even imagine what will happen to soloq as well. There's only one way to not be surprised by Riot at this point: keep your expectations as low as they can possibly be. That way you have lower chances of being surprised.

P.S. I said lower. You will probably still be surprised quite often.

Harden Stepback2 votes

No leadership, no direction... this game is continuing to go downhill.

Saevum2 votes

As a Cass casual user, i was expecting a nerf instead of a buff. Oh well.

About the fiora change: beware Fiora users, do not attempt to dive an enemy champion. You will certainly regret it, if my fear is correct, that is.

GonahtanuGepardi1 votes

It would obviously prioritize a champion if one is in range and if there isn't, at least she gets her q on a lower cd than before because of it.

Saevum1 votes

Trying to give credit to Riot's balance and coding teams is a fool's errand.

GonahtanuGepardi1 votes

I'm not trying to give credit. That's just how abilities have worked before so why not now too? Don't be a blind hater.

preternatural1 votes

can't wait for next patch looks like it's actually gonna be really good.

Exin01 votes

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can't wait for next patch looks like it's actually gonna be really good.

cant wait to see if you will be so ecstatic when quianna and ekko get guted.

preternatural1 votes

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cant wait to see if you will be so ecstatic when quianna and ekko get guted.

i'll finally have a reason to put time into irelia and kata again lol. ooooo or talon, i could play him again. or i could just become an obnoxious janna main again and spam my m7 on kids who can't touch my team. decisions.

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