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League has become BAD FOR YOU.

Roktan··51 votes·6,349 views

League is a joke now, Riot has designed the game to be appealing to the people that watch pro players and not your average gamer just trying to have fun. Over the past couple seasons it's turned into a game where you either stomp or get stomped. Game that are an even fight tend to be extremely rare and it's near impossible to come back once you start losing. It only takes one player to get fed or feed and the game is over already cause it snowballs from there. The community is a toxic wasteland, it's been bad before but the changes have only made it worse, because when just one teammate doing badly or intentionally trolling can cost you the game, of course there are going to be assholes!

The game is only fun when your winning and it's barely even fun then. The small amount of satisfaction you get is not enough to make up for the frustration. Also, the game is poison to friendships. You will find yourself being at the throat of someone who you usually get along famously with because League brings out the worst in people. THIS GAME HAS BECOME BAD FOR YOU. I don't honestly know why people still play it anymore until Riot changes it back to a much more fair, balanced state. I think it's because too many gamers are suckers for punishment and it's also a case of sunk cost fallacy even though you never have to spend a cent to play, it's easy to get get sucked into using real money to get a cool skin or a new champ because grinding out the in-game points takes forever. I'm glad I quit and I encourage others to do so as well.

52 Comments

Sasogwa17 votes

LEAGUE IS NOT APPEALING TO THE PEOPLE THAT WATCH PROPLAYERS.

The proplay meta is stale, boring and implies almost always the same picks during a patch. Diversity is garbage, and games are barely interesting. It was so much more interesting a few years ago, when proplayers were admittedly worse and made mistakes, comebacks and used pocket picks much more often than now.

Complain all you want, but don't use arguments that are simply false.

In any case however, it's true that the community is toxic and games are hard to come back from. For toxicity, you can't say Riot hasn't put measures. They should probably bring back old tribunal but there's still reports, ban cases and autoreporting on afks. For smurfing/boosting, they have adapted the MMR algorithm to be more sensible to winstreaks and losestreaks and by this mean get them to the elo they belong in very fast and prevent them to ruin too much games. For game duration however and the feeling of "already decided very early games", they have work to do.

Ahristocats3 votes

i don't know how you can find the strength to keep arguing about that

Sraeg20131 votes

For smurfing/boosting, they have adapted the MMR algorithm to be more sensible to winstreaks and losestreaks and by this mean get them to the elo they belong in very fast and prevent them to ruin too much games.

Gotta love how the Matchmaking visibly tanks my attempts at advancing by suddenly putting me into nigh unwinnable situations.

Like when I get on a winning streak, I'm suddenly put on the first pick on my secondary role/autofill and seemingly everybody on my team is autofilled in their worst roles and everybody and their mothers are trashed and games are done and gone in 5 minutes.

Sasogwa1 votes

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Gotta love how the Matchmaking visibly tanks my attempts at advancing by suddenly putting me into nigh unwinnable situations.

Like when I get on a winning streak, I'm suddenly put on the first pick on my secondary role/autofill and seemingly everybody on my team is autofilled in their worst roles and everybody and their mothers are trashed and games are done and gone in 5 minutes.

I think this is kinda smurf-check. If you start winstreaks the system tests if you can hardcarry games by putting you as the MMR leader supposed to completely turn the match by your sheer presence. Those games are quite hard (also you can be unlucky and they'll be unwinnable) but if you keep winning even games like those, the MMR snowball is absolutely insane and your league completely lags behind (you're faced with basically mid-gold as you're mid silver or mid plat as you're mid gold etc. and then to catch up in league the system makes you jump over leagues : s5 to s3 etc. sometimes even it considers you don't even need a promo (but you gotta have a really huge MMR compared to your league)

Sraeg20133 votes

This season started in S4, jumped to S2, got into S1, got to promo to Gold, lost and since then it's a never ending circle of 4 loses to get demoted to S2 and 4 wins to get promoted to S1.

I may have to "cheat" this garbage by queuing with a high Gold or something, because playing solo seems like a lost cause... in the fucking Solo Queue.

HaIlMonitor1 votes

For smurfing/boosting, they have adapted the MMR algorithm to be more sensible to winstreaks and losestreaks and by this mean get them to the elo they belong in very fast and prevent them to ruin too much games.

Smurfs will throw games too to stay where they want.

philzone111 votes

divercity is not garbage love pp

Sasogwa1 votes

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divercity is not garbage love pp

Did you seriously necro a 7 months old thread to shitpost and say people are wrong compared to your almighty opinion without providing any argument to the table?

DragonShea9 votes

Some should make a post telling League that they have made a joke of LCS, it's not about players having insane skill anymore. it's all about (Formerly?) good players having the meta changed to suit them. instead of them learning the in's and out of it like it's second nature to them.

Fuck Riot for being a LCS bitch.

z63XnLCMwX8 votes

Implying League was balanced before. Sorry, but this game was never balanced.

DragonShea10 votes

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Implying League was balanced before. Sorry, but this game was never balanced.

The game will never be balanced true, but that is not an excuse for having the game becoming extremely broken.

Dengeden7 votes

because when just one teammate [...] intentionally trolling can cost you the game

This was different before how?

It only takes one player to get fed or feed and the game is over already cause it snowballs from there

What a novel complaint. "My teammates always feed and lose me the game."

Over the past couple seasons it's turned into a game where you either stomp or get stomped.

Surrender@20 is probably one of the oldest sayings in the game, bud.

Sraeg20131 votes

I remember times when a fed champion was more vital to winning than an underfed one to losing.

Dengeden1 votes

It only takes one player to get fed

OP disagrees. Besides, it's kind of arbitrary to say what is "fed" and "underfed".

ModKnightsKemplar7 votes

I respect your opinion, but this is the opposite of my experience.

Over the last 5 years, the game has become more balanced, easier to make comebacks, and generally more fun for me. The champion design has improved in nearly every aspect with regards to VGUs and GUs, and even the failures that have happened during that time (class updates, in particular) have been recognized by Riot.

I don't see as many toxic people in my games. There still are some, but not nearly as many. When I play with my friends, I'm just as chill as when I don't; sometimes I make fun of them for a stupid play here and there, and vice versa, but it's all in good fun. I play for fun, but I like winning, and I've climbed to a peak of plat 2 this season (about to get back there, with any luck).

I don't follow pros anymore; I just don't have time to do that and I find the pro scene to be only vaguely interesting, to be honest. I'm glad it's there and I think it's neat, but it's not a major component of how I experience League of Legends anymore. I just don't have time to play the game and watch the game and be fully invested in both, and I'm fine with that.

I use League to help me relax and have some fun. Sometimes, if it's a bad patch for me or I'm on a losing streak, it can be a bit of a downer. When that happens, I just set it aside for a weekend or two and play something else. I've never stayed away for more than a couple weeks, though, because the core game is incredibly compelling for me.

When they announce changes, I'm always able to see the intent and see how it could improve the game in the long run, even if it's tough in the short term. Riot has great vision. This is a great game for core gamers. I am their core demographic, and it's working. I'm invested. I spend money not because I feel pressured or hoodwinked, but because I want this game to continue to be supported. I am paying for product willingly, much like people who pirate music and like it so much that they buy the album (except it's totally legal to play League for free! Forever!)

When someone posts that they don't like the game, it doesn't bother me. Neither do 99% of the people that I interact with irl. Even some of them that are gamers. This game isn't for everyone. It never was and it never will be, and that's good. I want a product for core gamers, and Riot delivered. And they continue to deliver to those of us that don't get caught up in the tiny details. They continue to deliver for those of us that see how atypical this game's success is. They continue to deliver for those of us that recognize the amount of work and passion that goes into this game, and the amount of work and passion that is required to maintain it at a high level of quality. That may not be true forever, and I won't be ashamed to walk away when that day comes, but for now, I just don't see it.

Nea1041 votes

"Over the last 5 years, the game has become more balanced, easier to make comebacks..."

Can't get if someone is forcing you saying that (jk).

These are your last 5 games, I'm sure some more patient guy can do the same with more, maybe even you:

  • 27-24, 56k-55k gold, 28 min = balanced, even if < 30 min
  • 27-17, 65k-52k gold, 32 min = 10 kills + 13k gold difference.... ehm?
  • 12-25, 41k-58k gold, 27 min = double the kills, 17k gold difference? :D
  • 23-8, 32k-22k gold, 15 min = 23-8, what else.
  • 16-27, 43k-54k gold, 27 min = 11 kills, 11k gold difference

Totally always balanced games ^^

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I just don't see those as that bad... that's 20% of the sample that finished REALLY close. That means at NO POINT did it swing out of control for either side. A real nail biter.

As for the others, a 10 kill difference isn't that much, for reasons I just alluded to. At the END of a game, it's frequent for one side to get the upper hand and start to dominate a bit. The fourth game there was an absolute stomp. But that's the same percentage, in this sample size, as the number of super close nail biters.

You and I are looking at the same data, but we see very different games there. Of course the gold at the end is gonna be uneven. It has to be, except for the closest games possible.

Nea1041 votes

If for you a 23-8 game, or a 12-25 one, or a more than 50% more kills one, are fair... Well, enjoy :) Those data speak for themselves. It's all related to Riot's matchmaking system (forced 50% win-loss overall ratio).

Indeed the only (almost, not even 30 min) close game of the present selection, gold was almost even; when games are balanced, in every game and not only in LoL, final stats must be almost equal, besides very peculiar kinds of games ("winner takes all"). And this is a 5-only game selection. Check more, you'll find only worse unbalanced game streaks. You can check that in mid-level streams too :)

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

when games are balanced, in every game and not only in LoL, final stats must be almost equal, besides very peculiar kinds of games

Again, I don't mind disagreement, but to me, this shows a fundamental lack of understanding about what this game is. What you are describing is another type of game ENTIRELY.

In most games, there are measures halfway through a game to see who is "winning." A game isn't balanced if there's a 50% chance of winning the whole way through. That's doesn't make any sense.

If there aren't metrics of who is winning, if there isn't a way to show skill by stomping people who aren't as good, the game is bad. This is true of almost all popular games. Chess, Go, Battleship, Pokemon, Risk, Yu-Gi-Oh, Street Fighter, Basketball (or any other sport for that matter), and I could go on and, again, list almost all the games that exist.

There must be ways in a competitive game to show you are better than someone else, and that involves stomps. That's just part of making competetive game.

Again, this quote:

when games are balanced, in every game and not only in LoL, final stats must be almost equal, besides very peculiar kinds of games

It's demonstrably false. That simply is not true of competitive games. and there is a reason for that. The opposite is true. In a competitive game that is balanced, close games and stomps should both happen, based on the skill of the participants. And that's exactly what I see with LoL.

3TWarrior1 votes

I would like to point out that only pokemon and chess are actually balanced from among those games

battleship can be influenced by luck, cheating or frankly, just thinking enough to understand that ships of certain sizes can't evade a grid search

yugio...no, card games at their core are about MONEY, LUCK, and GREED. If you play the balanced versions where everyone has access to the same cards, strategies are almost exactly the same. When you have paid enough money to buy out the best cards, you can crush any standard deck

street fighter and other combat games are NOTORIOUS! for having overwhelming characters that outpace or statcheck every other character

Take super smash brothers as an example of the above: there are now over 30 fighters on the roster, but less than half of them are even considered able to be used in tournament play and only FOUR, yes, FOUR are considered strong enough to be a must have...

basketball...you can't really make an argument for this...a lot of it is genetics, so it's like playing a game where you win or lose by a random number generator

league is a competition, but that competition was founded upon individual strategy and the ability to observe and interact with teammates to desirable effect

it is now much more dependent upon everyone being good or the game falls apart. See, that's where league is going wrong...INDIVIDUALS play league, not teams

Vallalan6 votes

if you don't enjoy playing then stop playing.

league is the same as its ever been. as someone who has played for years and years now I can say that confidently. the only real difference is its more of a team game now and you can't just 1 v 9 solo carry anymore unless you are WAY better. and even then you still gotta spread your lead around.

you may not have fun anymore, but clearly a lot of people do or they wouldn't keep playing it. I love league of legends. the game is great. its constantly being spiced up and has new and exciting things to try out. they constantly patch, constantly communicate with their playerbase and are updating outdated shit as well. this game is better than any game I have ever played.

just get the fuck out if you don't like it. there are countless other ways to spend your time.

Total Eclipse6 votes

Nooo... its not the same....... snowballing is definitely through the roof. I can even tell you why. Riot has gone through and nerfed the experience gains of the game drastically. Meanwhile, all items have been powercreeped over time. These two effects work together to make a very snowball oriented game.

morris13 votes

nerfed the experience gains of the game

Also boards:

catchup exp for jungle is stupid, remove it

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all items have been powercreeped

Also boards:

AP / Tank / whatever itemization is so bad rn

yesnobanana2 votes

Welcome to the boards [slayer-jinx-wink]

Total Eclipse1 votes

Things things are real budDarius

Dukues1 votes

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Nooo... its not the same....... snowballing is definitely through the roof. I can even tell you why. Riot has gone through and nerfed the experience gains of the game drastically. Meanwhile, all items have been powercreeped over time. These two effects work together to make a very snowball oriented game.

But they nerfed experience in favor of the player behind..... at least to my understanding. So that would actually do the opposite of what you are saying. It's definitely that way in the jungle and its super annoying. In season 6 you could and generally should be the highest level player in the game and if you outplayed enemy jungler you would be a higher level than them. Now... this can still happen but much more rarely. You have to beyond outplayed the shit out of the enemy jungler to stay ahead in levels because if they go to lane for a few seconds they get an instant level.... even if you out farm and out kill participate them. Now..... I know jungle experience needed nerf and I am happy they nerfed it in seas on 7. But this catchup from behind xp bs is dumb.

But game does seem more snowball this season than last. Damage creep has definitely increased over time. The thing I find strange this season compared to prior is games seem more 1 sided than before. I think it does have to do with LCS viewership. In silver.... players trying to take objectives and work together was a lot more rare than it is this season. Only problem is.... its almost always one team who gets it... and one team who still is clueless. So the stomps are worse because one team actually has some macro sense in silver now... while the other is still the classic silver clueless macro team.

I haven't noticed a difference in gold this season. Both season 6 & season 7 most of my games have felt even and not super snowball stomps. Silver felt way worse to play through this season than last season though. No idea about how higher elos feel.

deadlychuck3 votes

Just want to point out that sunk cost also applies to time invested.

I've spent about $50 on the game, but still find it hard to just ignore the few thousand hours i've put into the game.

3TWarrior1 votes

don't forget that when it comes to free games, there really isn't anything better in the MOBA scene

Escheton3 votes

The game is only fun when you are winning? I disagree. But I am more a macro player, so compensating for being behind is challenging for me. And I prefer good plays and follow up objectives over simple curbstomps. And you can have those even if you end up losing.

Souji3 votes

I haven't watched LCS since 2014. It became SO boring. Last thing I remember was the lane swap tactic with two top

ImpmonCute2 votes

Lane swapping died in 2016 with the first blood tower change. LCS is more interesting with 10 bans and standard lanes and we have slightly more diversity now.

Souji1 votes

Oh really? Might be worth to try watching again I guess.

Miror B3 votes

Also a fun fact: it's technically becoming less popular now, as a recent study suggests that PUBG actually has about 20% more people watching their streams compared to league, with cs:go catching up.

Colgate Gator2 votes

So you quit the game, but still come to complain about in the forum.

Mhm, seems you're already over it.

OyddAWqJ5r2 votes

Haha you were not around for Season 1 and 2 huh?

Feed an AP Yi/Kat/Jax/Mordekaiser and there's no coming back ;)

3TWarrior1 votes

at the same time though, back then you could actually flash away from or just walk away from the opponent freely...so only the pretty bad players got singled out

i'm not saying 1v5 stomps didn't happen, but they were mostly late game with those champs instead of way earlier like now

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

Walk away from a master yi/jax/kat? okay if you say so

3TWarrior1 votes

well, this is now awkward because I do not remember making that comment. I must have either been crazy tired...or I should be worried about my account safety.

Though if I think about it, I believe I might have meant katarina and jax, but I honestly can't explain this? it doesn't even sound like me when I read it XD

SpookyNeedle2 votes

The chance that someone on your team feeds is the same as the enemy having someone feed

ItsTimmyTurner2 votes

boy, life is evolving..., and as well virtual online games;) once upon a time we all use to drive regular cars, and now we drive teslas. evolve my friend :)

philzone112 votes

No, you are just bad at the game

philzone111 votes

Or riot is paring you with noob people love p-

Pandemic Punch2 votes

You just repeated criticisims that have been around since at least season 2. Oh well. Keep crying, I enjoy the entertainment. Carry on

SolarisCorvus1 votes

I just play the game cause the champs are fun. And then i take a break when I get tilted off this plane of existence.

Sire Hippington1 votes

Riot has designed the game to be appealing to the people that watch pro players

I wouldn't really say so. I always watched proplay, and i certainly prefered the old days of lol both for watching and for playing my self....and the same is true for all my irl firends that(used to) play lol...

84mankie1 votes

I actually have plenty of fun, but thx for trying to tell me what's good & bad for me. You strolling around on the forum of the thing that's 'bad for you' is just your sacrifice to rescue the others, right? Honestly, it looks like you do like it and you like it so much that you need to think and talk about it all the time so you rant on the forum. Nice try!

ThatHaleState1 votes

The sheer amount of catch-up mechanics in the game says otherwise, especially in the jungle.

Sraeg20131 votes

Gotta love not being able to make a lane slow push when behind and having to defend one lane 3v5 or 4v5 for no reason other than "because Riot said so".

WorryWolfy1 votes

There is nothing unfair about this game as is on any level. League can however be very intimidating to outcome dependent or beta personality types. There are an equal number of games that you almost cant lose as can't win and individual merit shines through. All players have the same game and contents therein at their disposal and get to make their own choices and condition themselves to try their best to win. If stomps are happening one way or the other people are opting into strategies and executions of strategies that can get dumped on or vice versa. This is a volatile , chaotic thing but not an unfair one. Everyone else plays within the same community. Instead of whining about the game becoming a joke, you should learn to be a more stable, consistent and less coin flippy player. Elo boosters can do it, what is your excuse?

Nea1041 votes

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a game where you either stomp or get stomped.

That. And Riot stays silent and does NOTHING about (since still gets money, and that's the most absurd point).

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